fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:1 Jahill Okafor
2 Karl Towns
3 Emmanual Mudiay
4 Willie Stein
5 Frank Kaminsky
6 Deangelo Russell
7 Delon Wright
8 Stanley Johnson
9 Tyler Harvey
10 Christian Wood

New week--new mock--added metrics + eye test

1. Jahill Okafor PF PER 36.6 TS% .667 eFG% .682
2. Karl Towns PF/C PER 27.2 TS% .571 eFG .526
3 Emanuel Mudiay PG/2G
4 Willie Stein C PER 30.5 TS%.612 eFG .602
5 Frank Kaminsky C/PF PER 33.4 TS% .61 eFG% .582
6 Tyler Harvey PG PER 30.3 TS% .694 eFG .67
7 Delon Wright PG PER 32.2 TS% .641 eFG .641
8 Deangelo Russell PG PER 26.3 TS% .587 eFG .558
9 Zach Auguste PF PER 33.3 TS .679 eFG% .677
10 Christian Wood PF PER 26.6 TS .587 eFG% .564

Tyler Harvey up to 6??? wow!!

I wonder if he even declares. He looks like a great shooter but he doesn't pass that much and turns it over about as much as he gets assists.

I have not seen him play that much except for highlights but Briggs, is it fair to say he is a taller and better shooting version of Langston Galloway?

Because of the teams composition Harvey is engaged to shoot more. He played more pure 1 in his freshmen year. His coach calls him a 1.5. Obviously I believe he is the next Curry and have moved him to where I think his skills compare to the rest of the board. His TS% is number 1# overall. I found some additional tape and was very impressed with his ballhandling--there is no doubt he is a 1 guard at 6 -4. He has a LOT of potential as a PG--as does Delon Wright just a different type of player. I moved in Wood for his shotblocking but I do not feel he is a better near term prospect than others below him--rather a better longer term. I weighed and put him 10 again. Auguste @ 6-10.5 245 is 2 inches+ and 5 pounds heavier than Harrell with better metrics Im not a fan of Myles Turner I dont like the way he runs. I have Frank Kaminsky much higher than most as well--and I dont see that changing.

Kaminsky played OK4 exceptionally well. Now, there is a big age difference. OK4 at 19 is going to improve and that size is and wingpan is pretty sick. I couldnt find Kaminsky's measurements. He looks pretty long. I think OK4 has about 20-30 pounds on him

Kaminsky's just a good basketball player and hes tad over 7 feet tall. I hate to break this to anyone--but this draft is not great it really is beauty in the eye of the beholder.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:1 Jahill Okafor
2 Karl Towns
3 Emmanual Mudiay
4 Willie Stein
5 Frank Kaminsky
6 Deangelo Russell
7 Delon Wright
8 Stanley Johnson
9 Tyler Harvey
10 Christian Wood

New week--new mock--added metrics + eye test

1. Jahill Okafor PF PER 36.6 TS% .667 eFG% .682
2. Karl Towns PF/C PER 27.2 TS% .571 eFG .526
3 Emanuel Mudiay PG/2G
4 Willie Stein C PER 30.5 TS%.612 eFG .602
5 Frank Kaminsky C/PF PER 33.4 TS% .61 eFG% .582
6 Tyler Harvey PG PER 30.3 TS% .694 eFG .67
7 Delon Wright PG PER 32.2 TS% .641 eFG .641
8 Deangelo Russell PG PER 26.3 TS% .587 eFG .558
9 Zach Auguste PF PER 33.3 TS .679 eFG% .677
10 Christian Wood PF PER 26.6 TS .587 eFG% .564

Tyler Harvey up to 6??? wow!!

I wonder if he even declares. He looks like a great shooter but he doesn't pass that much and turns it over about as much as he gets assists.

I have not seen him play that much except for highlights but Briggs, is it fair to say he is a taller and better shooting version of Langston Galloway?

Because of the teams composition Harvey is engaged to shoot more. He played more pure 1 in his freshmen year. His coach calls him a 1.5. Obviously I believe he is the next Curry and have moved him to where I think his skills compare to the rest of the board. His TS% is number 1# overall. I found some additional tape and was very impressed with his ballhandling--there is no doubt he is a 1 guard at 6 -4. He has a LOT of potential as a PG--as does Delon Wright just a different type of player. I moved in Wood for his shotblocking but I do not feel he is a better near term prospect than others below him--rather a better longer term. I weighed and put him 10 again. Auguste @ 6-10.5 245 is 2 inches+ and 5 pounds heavier than Harrell with better metrics Im not a fan of Myles Turner I dont like the way he runs. I have Frank Kaminsky much higher than most as well--and I dont see that changing.

Kaminsky played OK4 exceptionally well. Now, there is a big age difference. OK4 at 19 is going to improve and that size is and wingpan is pretty sick. I couldnt find Kaminsky's measurements. He looks pretty long. I think OK4 has about 20-30 pounds on him

Kaminsky's just a good basketball player and hes tad over 7 feet tall. I hate to break this to anyone--but this draft is not great it really is beauty in the eye of the beholder.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:1 Jahill Okafor
2 Karl Towns
3 Emmanual Mudiay
4 Willie Stein
5 Frank Kaminsky
6 Deangelo Russell
7 Delon Wright
8 Stanley Johnson
9 Tyler Harvey
10 Christian Wood

New week--new mock--added metrics + eye test

1. Jahill Okafor PF PER 36.6 TS% .667 eFG% .682
2. Karl Towns PF/C PER 27.2 TS% .571 eFG .526
3 Emanuel Mudiay PG/2G
4 Willie Stein C PER 30.5 TS%.612 eFG .602
5 Frank Kaminsky C/PF PER 33.4 TS% .61 eFG% .582
6 Tyler Harvey PG PER 30.3 TS% .694 eFG .67
7 Delon Wright PG PER 32.2 TS% .641 eFG .641
8 Deangelo Russell PG PER 26.3 TS% .587 eFG .558
9 Zach Auguste PF PER 33.3 TS .679 eFG% .677
10 Christian Wood PF PER 26.6 TS .587 eFG% .564

Tyler Harvey up to 6??? wow!!

I wonder if he even declares. He looks like a great shooter but he doesn't pass that much and turns it over about as much as he gets assists.

I have not seen him play that much except for highlights but Briggs, is it fair to say he is a taller and better shooting version of Langston Galloway?

Because of the teams composition Harvey is engaged to shoot more. He played more pure 1 in his freshmen year. His coach calls him a 1.5. Obviously I believe he is the next Curry and have moved him to where I think his skills compare to the rest of the board. His TS% is number 1# overall. I found some additional tape and was very impressed with his ballhandling--there is no doubt he is a 1 guard at 6 -4. He has a LOT of potential as a PG--as does Delon Wright just a different type of player. I moved in Wood for his shotblocking but I do not feel he is a better near term prospect than others below him--rather a better longer term. I weighed and put him 10 again. Auguste @ 6-10.5 245 is 2 inches+ and 5 pounds heavier than Harrell with better metrics Im not a fan of Myles Turner I dont like the way he runs. I have Frank Kaminsky much higher than most as well--and I dont see that changing.

Kaminsky played OK4 exceptionally well. Now, there is a big age difference. OK4 at 19 is going to improve and that size is and wingpan is pretty sick. I couldnt find Kaminsky's measurements. He looks pretty long. I think OK4 has about 20-30 pounds on him

Kaminsky's just a good basketball player and hes tad over 7 feet tall. I hate to break this to anyone--but this draft is not great it really is beauty in the eye of the beholder.

that was my thought with the Duncan/KVH comment.. One great player and a big drop off after

This draft seems to have 3 players who project as franchise type talent though, then a big drop off after that. I think as long as we grab one of the top 3 its fine.

yellowboy90 wrote:what exactly defines a great draft. Having a few great players or having several starting quality players with many rotational players. Also, is a great draft defined before the draft or a few years after the draft?

True---I might be very willing to trade my pick for multiple assets if I dont get #1. NOT material cap space but multiple cost restricted assets. I'd give Denver the #2 or #3 straight up for Nurkic.

Also each year a player seems to make a meteoric rise a few years ago Step Curry Damian Lillard Nurkic etc... if we make the pick I want to take the player with the absolute most upside even if that player is not ready or if I can trade down to get that player etc..

yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:what exactly defines a great draft. Having a few great players or having several starting quality players with many rotational players. Also, is a great draft defined before the draft or a few years after the draft?

True---I might be very willing to trade my pick for multiple assets if I dont get #1. NOT material cap space but multiple cost restricted assets. I might be willing to give Denver the #2 or #3 straight up for Nurkic.

That's just bad business. You do not give up a valued asset for one player who's hasn't done much and was picked 16th in the last draft. It would have to be Nurkic, 1st swap, and more for the 2nd or 3rd pick. I wouldn't even think about trading the pick unless they are out of the top 4 and the player they have circled is off the board.

If Nurkic stayed out of the draft hed go #2 this year.

By the way this is Nurkic's 36 min production rate right now and he just turned 20 17 points 14 rebounds 3blocks 2steals 2 assists.

2014-15 20 DEN NBA C 22 0 288 6.2 13.6 .459 0.0 0.1 .000 6.2 13.5 .463 4.4 6.6 .660 4.0 9.7 13.7 1.6 1.9 2.9 3.2 8.1 16.9
Career NBA 22 0 288 6.2 13.6 .459 0.0 0.1 .000 6.2 13.5 .463 4.4 6.6 .660 4.0 9.7 13.7 1.6 1.9 2.9 3.2 8.1 16.9

smackeddog wrote:Just out of curiosity BRIGGs, is Glen Rice Jr any good? I see the Wiz are about to trade/waive him

He's like any other DE league player--Im sure that the Knicks once they have open roster spots can give guys chances over the last 40+ games. We cant afford to give any 2nd rd picks for a player like that since we already have THJR.

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:what exactly defines a great draft. Having a few great players or having several starting quality players with many rotational players. Also, is a great draft defined before the draft or a few years after the draft?

True---I might be very willing to trade my pick for multiple assets if I dont get #1. NOT material cap space but multiple cost restricted assets. I might be willing to give Denver the #2 or #3 straight up for Nurkic.

That's just bad business. You do not give up a valued asset for one player who's hasn't done much and was picked 16th in the last draft. It would have to be Nurkic, 1st swap, and more for the 2nd or 3rd pick. I wouldn't even think about trading the pick unless they are out of the top 4 and the player they have circled is off the board.

If Nurkic stayed out of the draft hed go #2 this year.

By the way this is Nurkic's 36 min production rate right now and he just turned 20 17 points 14 rebounds 3blocks 2steals 2 assists.

2014-15 20 DEN NBA C 22 0 288 6.2 13.6 .459 0.0 0.1 .000 6.2 13.5 .463 4.4 6.6 .660 4.0 9.7 13.7 1.6 1.9 2.9 3.2 8.1 16.9
Career NBA 22 0 288 6.2 13.6 .459 0.0 0.1 .000 6.2 13.5 .463 4.4 6.6 .660 4.0 9.7 13.7 1.6 1.9 2.9 3.2 8.1 16.9

That's nice but a team would trade there 2nd or 3rd overall pick for per 36 production on what might be less than 1000 nba minutes. If he was that valuable in your scenario he would not be on the table to trade.

I'm higher on Okafor than most, people knock his athletic ability but he's super long, rattles the rim with standing dunks, runs the floor well he's a better athlete than giving credit for. It was the same thing with Jabari Parker and he ended up killing the combine and was arguably the most explosive rookie before his injury.

Okafor is too skilled to not draft number one he's toying with guys in the post he's a more athletic Al Jefferson with better passing.

STATMELO wrote:You have Frank Kaminsky in your top 10, he'll be a late first rounder to early second rounder IMO.

BRIGGS wrote:Change up--moving Towns down 2 spots and moving Oubre and Brimah into the top 10 and Russell to 2. I think Russell might be a star guard he could play right into a lock top 3 pick with NBA all star potential. Ive been down on this draft at the top but he is definitely bringing it--he could be a special player. Hes above Towns imho.
I have been so impressed with Amida Brimah. Take out the Duke game where he was in immediate FT--the guy has just been sensational. I have Stein ahead of him but if Amida's offense continues at the pace its moving at+ he will still physically mature vs Stein who has fully matured body wise--the upside might just be with Brimah. Brimah now is leading all draft picks with a TS% of 702 and eFG @ 69%. What I have seen in his last two games is some great fundamental improvement where he has stopped lunging for the block and rather has played beautiful D and its been very hard for teams to score. He's athletic he runs the floor. Great prospect. Ive also moved Kelly Oubre into the last pick of 10. His upside is very high--showing signs.

1.Okafor
2 Russell
3 Mudiay
4 Towns
5 Stein
6 Wright
7 Harvey
8 Kaminsky
9 Brimah
10 Oubre