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Splat
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12/19/2014  11:24 PM
F500ONE wrote:
Splat wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Splat wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

Asking a stupid person if they know they sound stupid is kind of stupid

the rhetorical rule of attrition states that i need not care how stupid i appear for asking the question if it succeeds in driving the point home.

So the valor of your stupidity attributions
Persist in the midst of hammering attrition
Wherein the vapidity of the subjects addressed
Being incapable of being educated or confessed
Makes you a battering ram by your own volition

Your post wreaks of Digital Criminology

Don't trip through the wires here, breaking news could develop any moment


On cyber danger//// the gall, gumption, and provocativeness in which you post

Can only be stored in barrels 3rd world style

Forensics is for uncouth types
Who parse through loyalist tripe
Like signals from codes unknown
Which synonymous reference has shown
Same as lurking with contemptuous gripes

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CrushAlot
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12/19/2014  11:28 PM
Splat wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
Splat wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Splat wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

Asking a stupid person if they know they sound stupid is kind of stupid

the rhetorical rule of attrition states that i need not care how stupid i appear for asking the question if it succeeds in driving the point home.

So the valor of your stupidity attributions
Persist in the midst of hammering attrition
Wherein the vapidity of the subjects addressed
Being incapable of being educated or confessed
Makes you a battering ram by your own volition

Your post wreaks of Digital Criminology

Don't trip through the wires here, breaking news could develop any moment


On cyber danger//// the gall, gumption, and provocativeness in which you post

Can only be stored in barrels 3rd world style

Forensics is for uncouth types
Who parse through loyalist tripe
Like signals from codes unknown
Which synonymous reference has shown
Same as lurking with contemptuous gripes


Nice!
Still hanging on by a thread?
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Splat
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12/19/2014  11:32 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Splat wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
Splat wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Splat wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

Asking a stupid person if they know they sound stupid is kind of stupid

the rhetorical rule of attrition states that i need not care how stupid i appear for asking the question if it succeeds in driving the point home.

So the valor of your stupidity attributions
Persist in the midst of hammering attrition
Wherein the vapidity of the subjects addressed
Being incapable of being educated or confessed
Makes you a battering ram by your own volition

Your post wreaks of Digital Criminology

Don't trip through the wires here, breaking news could develop any moment


On cyber danger//// the gall, gumption, and provocativeness in which you post

Can only be stored in barrels 3rd world style

Forensics is for uncouth types
Who parse through loyalist tripe
Like signals from codes unknown
Which synonymous reference has shown
Same as lurking with contemptuous gripes


Nice!
Still hanging on by a thread?

How nice of you to ask
Though it is really a task
On your To Do list
To check if Splat is pizzed
Enough to say fuk it at last

I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
F500ONE
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12/19/2014  11:52 PM
Splat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Splat wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
Splat wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Splat wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

Asking a stupid person if they know they sound stupid is kind of stupid

the rhetorical rule of attrition states that i need not care how stupid i appear for asking the question if it succeeds in driving the point home.

So the valor of your stupidity attributions
Persist in the midst of hammering attrition
Wherein the vapidity of the subjects addressed
Being incapable of being educated or confessed
Makes you a battering ram by your own volition

Your post wreaks of Digital Criminology

Don't trip through the wires here, breaking news could develop any moment


On cyber danger//// the gall, gumption, and provocativeness in which you post

Can only be stored in barrels 3rd world style

Forensics is for uncouth types
Who parse through loyalist tripe
Like signals from codes unknown
Which synonymous reference has shown
Same as lurking with contemptuous gripes


Nice!
Still hanging on by a thread?

How nice of you to ask
Though it is really a task
On your To Do list
To check if Splat is pizzed
Enough to say fuk it at last

He's Not a Player He Just FussAlot

codeunknown
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12/19/2014  11:56 PM
roses are red, violets are blue, bedlam would like its entertainment back
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dk7th
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12/19/2014  11:58 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/20/2014  12:17 AM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
arkrud
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12/20/2014  12:20 AM
This all is BS.
Melo never get his money at gunpoint.
He was paid by owners and it was/is their choice.
NBA is entertainment business and Melo is Star of entertainment (no sarcasm).
He also is very good bbal player (no sarcasm also).
Organizations who hired him are NOT INTERESTED in wining ball games/chips.
They are interesting in making money using basketball game.
And they all did and are doing good job making money REGARDLESS of winning.
Spurs and OKS alike cannot make money without winning. So they are acting accordingly.
If some fans are not into drama but into basketball game Knicks is not the right team to root for and Melo is not the right player.
Fee country... Pick what yo u like. Or stuck with what you have and stop bitching.
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12/20/2014  12:32 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Splat wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
Splat wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Splat wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

Asking a stupid person if they know they sound stupid is kind of stupid

the rhetorical rule of attrition states that i need not care how stupid i appear for asking the question if it succeeds in driving the point home.

So the valor of your stupidity attributions
Persist in the midst of hammering attrition
Wherein the vapidity of the subjects addressed
Being incapable of being educated or confessed
Makes you a battering ram by your own volition

Your post wreaks of Digital Criminology

Don't trip through the wires here, breaking news could develop any moment


On cyber danger//// the gall, gumption, and provocativeness in which you post

Can only be stored in barrels 3rd world style

Forensics is for uncouth types
Who parse through loyalist tripe
Like signals from codes unknown
Which synonymous reference has shown
Same as lurking with contemptuous gripes


Nice!
Still hanging on by a thread?

We'll know the good news when we hear a splat.

Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
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12/20/2014  3:28 AM
H1AND1 wrote:Wait, is Scottie Pippen really broke? How'd he lose it all? drugs? hookers? Gambling?

Pippen never actually got paid well during his career. He or his agent made a horrific mistake of negotiating a long contract but at a ridiculously low amount, just before they changed the rules that stopped players from renegotiating their contracts while being in the middle of the contract. So he ended up getting stuck with $2-$3 million a year in his prime (the contract was 7 years, $22mil).

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12/20/2014  3:29 AM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

Whats stupid about it? Do you honestly believe Pippen wouldn't take $30mil now rather than have won a championship?

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12/20/2014  6:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2014  6:34 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?

Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Ginobili, Parker. They're all signed for much less than they could have gotten. Lebron has a $42 mil contract but I'm sure the Heat would have given him the 5 year max, which would be about $70 mil more.
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12/20/2014  8:07 AM
Lebron has an opt out to get his long term deal done. Dirk and Duncan preferred to stay competitive and stay on the team. Same with Ginobli. Parker is getting a good wage.

Lets not judge what is "enough" for Melo. The facet is 50% goes to taxes and agent fees.

If he is only motivated by his stats and money, then its Knicks to blame.
Blaming Melo for taking the money is silly.

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12/20/2014  8:07 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?

Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Ginobili, Parker. They're all signed for much less than they could have gotten. Lebron has a $42 mil contract but I'm sure the Heat would have given him the 5 year max, which would be about $70 mil more.

Buy it is being speculated that Lebron signed his seal so that he could cash in and get more money when the new tv deal goes through. Dirk and Duncan took less in the later stages if their careers. They were still getting paid at 29-30. If melo at 36 takes 11 mil he wound be following their lead. He isn't there yet.
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12/20/2014  8:45 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?

Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Ginobili, Parker. They're all signed for much less than they could have gotten. Lebron has a $42 mil contract but I'm sure the Heat would have given him the 5 year max, which would be about $70 mil more.

Buy it is being speculated that Lebron signed his seal so that he could cash in and get more money when the new tv deal goes through. Dirk and Duncan took less in the later stages if their careers. They were still getting paid at 29-30. If melo at 36 takes 11 mil he wound be following their lead. He isn't there yet.

There are plenty of counterarguments to your replies - "late stage" just means less time to earn more money, especially in most these players' cases when their current contracts will give them total career earnings below Melo's. Or they could have career ending injuries, and did take risks leaving money on the table even if there exists the possibility that they'll earn more later (Lebron). I'm not coming up with anything original here. I'm sure you've heard these arguments before. No one was holding a gun to Melo's head to make him the highest paid player on the planet, and plenty of people have left far more money on the table, even when their current contracts give them less total earnings than Melo will have.

All you asked for is examples of people leaving $50 mil on the table and I gave them. Of course, you'll explain away each example, but then why ask for the examples? It sounds like you really want an example where (a) someone left at least $50 mil on the table and (b) there is no possible way in this universe that he could ever earn that money back. Obviously no one can ever find a way to satisfy point b.

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12/20/2014  8:57 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?

Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Ginobili, Parker. They're all signed for much less than they could have gotten. Lebron has a $42 mil contract but I'm sure the Heat would have given him the 5 year max, which would be about $70 mil more.

Buy it is being speculated that Lebron signed his seal so that he could cash in and get more money when the new tv deal goes through. Dirk and Duncan took less in the later stages if their careers. They were still getting paid at 29-30. If melo at 36 takes 11 mil he wound be following their lead. He isn't there yet.

There are plenty of counterarguments to your replies - "late stage" just means less time to earn more money, especially in most these players' cases when their current contracts will give them total career earnings below Melo's. Or they could have career ending injuries, and did take risks leaving money on the table even if there exists the possibility that they'll earn more later (Lebron). I'm not coming up with anything original here. I'm sure you've heard these arguments before. No one was holding a gun to Melo's head to make him the highest paid player on the planet, and plenty of people have left far more money on the table, even when their current contracts give them less total earnings than Melo will have.

All you asked for is examples of people leaving $50 mil on the table and I gave them. Of course, you'll explain away each example, but then why ask for the examples? It sounds like you really want an example where (a) someone left at least $50 mil on the table and (b) there is no possible way in this universe that he could ever earn that money back. Obviously no one can ever find a way to satisfy point b.

CAn you provide examples of guys 29-30 that took 1/2 of what they could be paid. Duncan made over 21 mil when he was 36. Dirk made Dirk made 22 mil last year and just turned 35. Dwight is the only guy that I can come up with and he does make up some of the money playing in a non income tax state.
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12/20/2014  9:32 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?

Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Ginobili, Parker. They're all signed for much less than they could have gotten. Lebron has a $42 mil contract but I'm sure the Heat would have given him the 5 year max, which would be about $70 mil more.

Buy it is being speculated that Lebron signed his seal so that he could cash in and get more money when the new tv deal goes through. Dirk and Duncan took less in the later stages if their careers. They were still getting paid at 29-30. If melo at 36 takes 11 mil he wound be following their lead. He isn't there yet.

There are plenty of counterarguments to your replies - "late stage" just means less time to earn more money, especially in most these players' cases when their current contracts will give them total career earnings below Melo's. Or they could have career ending injuries, and did take risks leaving money on the table even if there exists the possibility that they'll earn more later (Lebron). I'm not coming up with anything original here. I'm sure you've heard these arguments before. No one was holding a gun to Melo's head to make him the highest paid player on the planet, and plenty of people have left far more money on the table, even when their current contracts give them less total earnings than Melo will have.

All you asked for is examples of people leaving $50 mil on the table and I gave them. Of course, you'll explain away each example, but then why ask for the examples? It sounds like you really want an example where (a) someone left at least $50 mil on the table and (b) there is no possible way in this universe that he could ever earn that money back. Obviously no one can ever find a way to satisfy point b.

CAn you provide examples of guys 29-30 that took 1/2 of what they could be paid. Duncan made over 21 mil when he was 36. Dirk made Dirk made 22 mil last year and just turned 35. Dwight is the only guy that I can come up with and he does make up some of the money playing in a non income tax state.

Lebron

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12/20/2014  9:36 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?

Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Ginobili, Parker. They're all signed for much less than they could have gotten. Lebron has a $42 mil contract but I'm sure the Heat would have given him the 5 year max, which would be about $70 mil more.

Buy it is being speculated that Lebron signed his seal so that he could cash in and get more money when the new tv deal goes through. Dirk and Duncan took less in the later stages if their careers. They were still getting paid at 29-30. If melo at 36 takes 11 mil he wound be following their lead. He isn't there yet.

There are plenty of counterarguments to your replies - "late stage" just means less time to earn more money, especially in most these players' cases when their current contracts will give them total career earnings below Melo's. Or they could have career ending injuries, and did take risks leaving money on the table even if there exists the possibility that they'll earn more later (Lebron). I'm not coming up with anything original here. I'm sure you've heard these arguments before. No one was holding a gun to Melo's head to make him the highest paid player on the planet, and plenty of people have left far more money on the table, even when their current contracts give them less total earnings than Melo will have.

All you asked for is examples of people leaving $50 mil on the table and I gave them. Of course, you'll explain away each example, but then why ask for the examples? It sounds like you really want an example where (a) someone left at least $50 mil on the table and (b) there is no possible way in this universe that he could ever earn that money back. Obviously no one can ever find a way to satisfy point b.

CAn you provide examples of guys 29-30 that took 1/2 of what they could be paid. Duncan made over 21 mil when he was 36. Dirk made Dirk made 22 mil last year and just turned 35. Dwight is the only guy that I can come up with and he does make up some of the money playing in a non income tax state.
First would Melo give a little back to play with Bron and Bosh? Second, LeBron was in a non income tax state. Melo pays state income tax and NYC income tax. I know it has been discussed before but LeBron netted more or the same as Melo after taxes.
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12/20/2014  10:52 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Scotty Pippen is broke..How many rings would he give up for the 50 mil folks wanted Melo to give up by going to Chicago??..I would say all of his rings..

Hey Scotty, you are a great guy, you weren't greedy..

do you have any idea how stupid this sounds?

No please tell me oh enlightened one...Who walks away from 50 mil..Not even you..

do you need yet another lesson in orders of magnitude/powers of ten? when you make 220 million dollars over a career, making 50 million dollars less means you are left with a paltry 170 million dollars... but you have a ring, maybe two. BFD

thought experiment skippy: you are 35 years old with a ring or two, having taken a 50 million dollar paycut-- and have *only* 110 million dollars after paying the government. then you give a million dollars away to 10 of your closest friends. then another 5 million to your mother. another 10 million you put in a trust for your child, which is managed for 8 years until college and then maybe another five years afterwards.

how in the world will you survive on the remaining 85 million over the next 50 years?

i know: it's an impossible situation, living on $1,700,000 a year with no hope of investing and having no form of gainful employment. heck the interest alone-- for doing nothing-- is $50,000.

given that stark reality i would have major problems leaving 50 million on the table.

Other than Dwight, who has given up that money.
And Dwight went to a state without income tax so he makes up some of that bank just from that. Also, who has given up that money when an icon has come in and taken over the franchise and said you can make that extra 50 mil and I will put you in a position to win a championship. Is Dwight the poster child for taking less?

Dirk, Duncan, Lebron, Ginobili, Parker. They're all signed for much less than they could have gotten. Lebron has a $42 mil contract but I'm sure the Heat would have given him the 5 year max, which would be about $70 mil more.

Buy it is being speculated that Lebron signed his seal so that he could cash in and get more money when the new tv deal goes through. Dirk and Duncan took less in the later stages if their careers. They were still getting paid at 29-30. If melo at 36 takes 11 mil he wound be following their lead. He isn't there yet.

There are plenty of counterarguments to your replies - "late stage" just means less time to earn more money, especially in most these players' cases when their current contracts will give them total career earnings below Melo's. Or they could have career ending injuries, and did take risks leaving money on the table even if there exists the possibility that they'll earn more later (Lebron). I'm not coming up with anything original here. I'm sure you've heard these arguments before. No one was holding a gun to Melo's head to make him the highest paid player on the planet, and plenty of people have left far more money on the table, even when their current contracts give them less total earnings than Melo will have.

All you asked for is examples of people leaving $50 mil on the table and I gave them. Of course, you'll explain away each example, but then why ask for the examples? It sounds like you really want an example where (a) someone left at least $50 mil on the table and (b) there is no possible way in this universe that he could ever earn that money back. Obviously no one can ever find a way to satisfy point b.

CAn you provide examples of guys 29-30 that took 1/2 of what they could be paid. Duncan made over 21 mil when he was 36. Dirk made Dirk made 22 mil last year and just turned 35. Dwight is the only guy that I can come up with and he does make up some of the money playing in a non income tax state.

Lebron

Lebron will actually make more doing what he's doing- he'll opt out once the cap has sky rocketed and end up getting paid way more than if he'd signed a 5 year deal with the heat.

AK-47 opted out of more money, to sign for a 3 year deal (for less) with a supposed contender- does anyone actually think that was a smart decision in hindsight (assume there is no under the table deal?) Or are the Melo critics now arguing that by acquiring Melo the Bulls would be a guaranteed championship team? Is Melo a championship calibre player in their eyes now? I thought he was a career loser.

Sorry I'm confused now- according to the Melo critics, he should have taken less money to not win a championship with the Bulls (because he is a cancer, loser, etc).

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12/20/2014  11:56 AM
Lebron makes 50 million off the court.

Let that sink in for a minute and then think of how that impacts his decision.
He built his reputation in Cleveland and actually hurt himself moving to Miami. Winning cured his brand.

Its too late for Melo to build that kind of brand. In fact, lebron had momentum coming out of high school like no player ever had.
Jordan did not hit his stride brand whose until he was about 25 and He can Thank Mars Blackman for launching him.

No comparison in the earning power of Lebron vs. Melo. Foolish to even go there.

As mentioned, Dirk and Timmy got paid great until 35. WE getting mad a Melo for what he'll do in 5 years? Wow!!!!
Melo has to fight the NY media crush who incites fans into the hate frenzy. Some of you talk like you know what he and phil are thinking.

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