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12/12/2014  7:20 AM
CrushAlot wrote:If Melo is moved my guess is it is for a Nash/Lin package to the Lakers. This deal may have been there all a long for Phil. Not sure it is the best deal around but taking on those two huge contracts helps the Lakers. The poison pill may offset the trade kicker.

I'll pray for that to happen!

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12/12/2014  7:22 AM
Thank you for weighing in on the topic Triple.

Much of the divide in society between generating value vs. the esteem for fame and wealth is played out on this board and among fans of professional sports all over the country.

That Melo is so blatantly fake and it seems to infuriate a portion of the fan base to point it out is really the ultimate tell of where peoples' values are. They seem to think you can separate these things when you simply cannot.

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12/12/2014  7:24 AM
Splat wrote:Some of you were about to pass out just now. LOL

No, Dolan has to pay it

Dolan can afford it! He's thrown out plenty money on this team already, what's a few more million!

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12/12/2014  7:26 AM
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yellowboy90 wrote:
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yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

What is your point? You think this is not going on now? You'd have to be a sucker not to realize a guy like Melo can't handle this and he'll look for an out. That plus Phil using the media to turn up the heat and Melo already on vacation and you think fans are suckers for believing Melo would waive his no-trade clause? The overriding point here is he got the money from us, now he can go somewhere else, something he could not achieve without signing here first. Plus, he gets a $17.5M bonus for being traded, something a greed head like Melo may like very much.

Wow, you seem very emotional right now. It is okay. Just breath. Of course Melo would waive his no-trade clause. The clause is not there for a player not to be traded the clause is there to not be traded to just anyone. The real suckers are people who fall for this stuff and it looks like you have. It happens.

Run me down a list of teams that have salary to match what Carmelo is making without gutting that team? If the heat is on him like you say then surely he would not want to bring that heat with him to his new team. so he would try to go without hurting the new team's nucleus.

Don't be a dummy and play that don't be emotional nonsense here. I responded with real logic, not hysteria. Give me a break

I agree, but hysteria can be fun!

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12/12/2014  7:31 AM
bigjeep8 wrote:
Splat wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

What is your point? You think this is not going on now? You'd have to be a sucker not to realize a guy like Melo can't handle this and he'll look for an out. That plus Phil using the media to turn up the heat and Melo already on vacation and you think fans are suckers for believing Melo would waive his no-trade clause? The overriding point here is he got the money from us, now he can go somewhere else, something he could not achieve without signing here first. Plus, he gets a $17.5M bonus for being traded, something a greed head like Melo may like very much.


Well said!

I disagree. This is a Berman article and a Berman source. That generally amounts to mostly fiction and truth stretching. I do think a deal could be done with the lakers though.

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12/12/2014  7:33 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
bigjeep8 wrote:
Splat wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

What is your point? You think this is not going on now? You'd have to be a sucker not to realize a guy like Melo can't handle this and he'll look for an out. That plus Phil using the media to turn up the heat and Melo already on vacation and you think fans are suckers for believing Melo would waive his no-trade clause? The overriding point here is he got the money from us, now he can go somewhere else, something he could not achieve without signing here first. Plus, he gets a $17.5M bonus for being traded, something a greed head like Melo may like very much.


Well said!

I disagree. This is a Berman article and a Berman source. That generally amounts to mostly fiction and truth stretching. I do think a deal could be done with the lakers though.


I don't think the trade makes sense from their perspective unless they just want a big name player to sell seats and jerseys. They'd have a very hard time still making the playoffs in the west. I don't see the point of taking on another $100 mil.
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12/12/2014  7:35 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
bigjeep8 wrote:
Splat wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

What is your point? You think this is not going on now? You'd have to be a sucker not to realize a guy like Melo can't handle this and he'll look for an out. That plus Phil using the media to turn up the heat and Melo already on vacation and you think fans are suckers for believing Melo would waive his no-trade clause? The overriding point here is he got the money from us, now he can go somewhere else, something he could not achieve without signing here first. Plus, he gets a $17.5M bonus for being traded, something a greed head like Melo may like very much.


Well said!

I disagree. This is a Berman article and a Berman source. That generally amounts to mostly fiction and truth stretching. I do think a deal could be done with the lakers though.

You disagree with what?

That Melo cannot handle the adversity of five years of public abuse in NYC?

That he will not willingly be traded to escape the heat?

That Phil is turning up the heat using the media?

That Melo is on a vacation for more than just healing purposes?

That he signed with the Knicks to get the most money?

That he felt he couldn't lose if he secured the big contract here and than got traded?

That Melo would not consider an extra $17.5M tempting?

So what was not well said or articulated?

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12/12/2014  7:38 AM
Splat wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Splat wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

What is your point? You think this is not going on now? You'd have to be a sucker not to realize a guy like Melo can't handle this and he'll look for an out. That plus Phil using the media to turn up the heat and Melo already on vacation and you think fans are suckers for believing Melo would waive his no-trade clause? The overriding point here is he got the money from us, now he can go somewhere else, something he could not achieve without signing here first. Plus, he gets a $17.5M bonus for being traded, something a greed head like Melo may like very much.

Wow, you seem very emotional right now. It is okay. Just breath. Of course Melo would waive his no-trade clause. The clause is not there for a player not to be traded the clause is there to not be traded to just anyone. The real suckers are people who fall for this stuff and it looks like you have. It happens.

Run me down a list of teams that have salary to match what Carmelo is making without gutting that team? If the heat is on him like you say then surely he would not want to bring that heat with him to his new team. so he would try to go without hurting the new team's nucleus.

Don't be a dummy and play that don't be emotional nonsense here. I responded with real logic, not hysteria. Give me a break

fallacy. The article basically says Carmelo would except being traded to a contender but is not interested in being traded right now. Really that's news? This was not said when he signed his contract?

Also, A player who is not about winning and more concerned with money and his of the court ventures will likely not try to anger and lose a billionaire that has contributed to his off the court success and that could contribute to more success in the future. That could potentially impact future earnings and a person so concerned about money would not want to impact that. Now, Melo could have more connections but to anger someone so influential with connections of his own would be silly.

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12/12/2014  7:39 AM
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bigjeep8 wrote:
Splat wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

What is your point? You think this is not going on now? You'd have to be a sucker not to realize a guy like Melo can't handle this and he'll look for an out. That plus Phil using the media to turn up the heat and Melo already on vacation and you think fans are suckers for believing Melo would waive his no-trade clause? The overriding point here is he got the money from us, now he can go somewhere else, something he could not achieve without signing here first. Plus, he gets a $17.5M bonus for being traded, something a greed head like Melo may like very much.


Well said!

I disagree. This is a Berman article and a Berman source. That generally amounts to mostly fiction and truth stretching. I do think a deal could be done with the lakers though.

I'm praying!

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12/12/2014  7:49 AM
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CrushAlot wrote:
bigjeep8 wrote:
Splat wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

What is your point? You think this is not going on now? You'd have to be a sucker not to realize a guy like Melo can't handle this and he'll look for an out. That plus Phil using the media to turn up the heat and Melo already on vacation and you think fans are suckers for believing Melo would waive his no-trade clause? The overriding point here is he got the money from us, now he can go somewhere else, something he could not achieve without signing here first. Plus, he gets a $17.5M bonus for being traded, something a greed head like Melo may like very much.


Well said!

I disagree. This is a Berman article and a Berman source. That generally amounts to mostly fiction and truth stretching. I do think a deal could be done with the lakers though.


I don't think the trade makes sense from their perspective unless they just want a big name player to sell seats and jerseys. They'd have a very hard time still making the playoffs in the west. I don't see the point of taking on another $100 mil.

Would the Lakers give up a 1st rounder? If it is just a cash dump then why not agree to the S&T during the summer. Plus, the guy may need surgery so I am sure that will increase his trade value. Then again maybe Kneelo is pulling a Verbal and when he gets to his new team goes back to Melo.

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12/12/2014  7:58 AM
PJax said over the summer that is Melo signs they will be fine and if he doesn't sign they will be fine. I thuoght he was wrong at the time because, I thought it was better to just let him go, even if they got nothing in return.

At this point, the relationship that the city has with the player is luke warm at best. He is not a winner. He is not a leader. Can he be on a winning team? Sure, but he can't be the voice that people follow.

That is ok. Not everyone wants to be OR can be the leader.

The only way Melo succeeds in NY is if PJax can bring a real leader great skills too. Melo can score and skills wise he can do anything he wants but I don;t get the sense that he is "ALL-IN", if he is not getting his shots. Ultimately he is not a TEAM player. If another player came along that could grab the attention and back pages and be a great player too, then MELO could work.

In Chicago, Rose is that player. Noah can be that player. Gasol can be that player.

Financially a deal with Chicago is unlikely unless a 3rd team with cap room gets involved.....let's hope and Pray!

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12/12/2014  8:00 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
bigjeep8 wrote:
Splat wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

What is your point? You think this is not going on now? You'd have to be a sucker not to realize a guy like Melo can't handle this and he'll look for an out. That plus Phil using the media to turn up the heat and Melo already on vacation and you think fans are suckers for believing Melo would waive his no-trade clause? The overriding point here is he got the money from us, now he can go somewhere else, something he could not achieve without signing here first. Plus, he gets a $17.5M bonus for being traded, something a greed head like Melo may like very much.


Well said!

I disagree. This is a Berman article and a Berman source. That generally amounts to mostly fiction and truth stretching. I do think a deal could be done with the lakers though.


I don't think the trade makes sense from their perspective unless they just want a big name player to sell seats and jerseys. They'd have a very hard time still making the playoffs in the west. I don't see the point of taking on another $100 mil.

Would the Lakers give up a 1st rounder? If it is just a cash dump then why not agree to the S&T during the summer. Plus, the guy may need surgery so I am sure that will increase his trade value. Then again maybe Kneelo is pulling a Verbal and when he gets to his new team goes back to Melo.

Jackson and his lady friend can make the deal in bed time negotiations!

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12/12/2014  8:02 AM
bigjeep8 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
bigjeep8 wrote:
Splat wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

What is your point? You think this is not going on now? You'd have to be a sucker not to realize a guy like Melo can't handle this and he'll look for an out. That plus Phil using the media to turn up the heat and Melo already on vacation and you think fans are suckers for believing Melo would waive his no-trade clause? The overriding point here is he got the money from us, now he can go somewhere else, something he could not achieve without signing here first. Plus, he gets a $17.5M bonus for being traded, something a greed head like Melo may like very much.


Well said!

I disagree. This is a Berman article and a Berman source. That generally amounts to mostly fiction and truth stretching. I do think a deal could be done with the lakers though.


I don't think the trade makes sense from their perspective unless they just want a big name player to sell seats and jerseys. They'd have a very hard time still making the playoffs in the west. I don't see the point of taking on another $100 mil.

Would the Lakers give up a 1st rounder? If it is just a cash dump then why not agree to the S&T during the summer. Plus, the guy may need surgery so I am sure that will increase his trade value. Then again maybe Kneelo is pulling a Verbal and when he gets to his new team goes back to Melo.

Jackson and his lady friend can make the deal in bed time negotiations!

Of course they could. I am sure her brother who runs the team will really be receptive to what Phil and Geanie come up with because he loves Phil already.

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12/12/2014  8:03 AM
Didn't MSG just show a propaganda piece on him swearing his love for all things NYC?
Why is he afraid of Phil?
Of all things I came to accept him as a knick after pitching a fit for the trade.
While I think we have a long way to go before this happens I'd have to say Im surprised and disappointed in this development.
Is this phil basically pushing Melo out the door where Dolan wanted him resigned?
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12/12/2014  8:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2014  8:05 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.
Lets be honest whether you are a melo lover or melo hater I think we are all in agreement that he signed here because this is where he could make the most amount of money. I was hoping for a sign and tarde for Chicago because I felt we needed a true rebuild and wanted to get some picks along with some youth in here. I had no problem him resigning with us however he had to have known this year was gonna be a bad year
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12/12/2014  8:12 AM
Crazy thought and very unlikely but is it possible, Melo and SMith have been told to sit out until the 15th?

We can only hope.

BTW -

Looking at the Lakers, they are a good trade partner, a couple of options.

Lin ~ 15M (only has this year left on his deal)
Young ~5M (not as good but similar player to Melo - 3 more years left on his deal)
Randle ~2M (wont contribute this year but could be a key piece going forward - rookie contract)
a future #1


or
Lin 15M
Hill 9M
a #1 pick in 2015

pure salary dump move
Lin 15M
nash 9M
#1 2015
#2 future

Crazy deal - straight up...
Bryant 23M

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12/12/2014  8:13 AM
LOL... I saw this article on the train today commuting into work and all I could think was that splat and F5/// probably went streaking down the quad the minute they read Berman's headline. Good stuff.
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12/12/2014  8:23 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Crazy thought and very unlikely but is it possible, Melo and SMith have been told to sit out until the 15th?

We can only hope.

BTW -

Looking at the Lakers, they are a good trade partner, a couple of options.

Lin ~ 15M (only has this year left on his deal)
Young ~5M (not as good but similar player to Melo - 3 more years left on his deal)
Randle ~2M (wont contribute this year but could be a key piece going forward - rookie contract)
a future #1


or
Lin 15M
Hill 9M
a #1 pick in 2015

pure salary dump move
Lin 15M
nash 9M
#1 2015
#2 future

Crazy deal - straight up...
Bryant 23M

I'm drooling as I type!

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12/12/2014  8:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2014  8:37 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
smackeddog wrote:News flash: most nba players are, most people are in their job. If I'm helping to generate x amount of money, I would like as much of the money I helped make....


IMHO, what I think Splat is getting to is that Melo consistently comes off poorly in the media and often appears completely tone deaf, almost to the point of pure social ignorance.

Put it this way, imagine if a guest at a wedding, a woman, wore a white dress to a wedding. It's just something that most people understand, at a very basic socialization level, that you just don't do ( i.e. only the bride wears white) But if you get to the point where you see the person has no clue, no idea, no understanding at anyone having frustrations at her or what the problem is, the issue becomes one of social ignorance and begins to raise the question of actual socialization in general. Which sadly, for many of these young black athletes, becomes a painful narrative. Many grow up poor, without fathers, without a strong background in formal education. While I wouldn't be LeBron James at the same level right now as Melo, the "Decision" was hugely tone deaf. It was sort of sad, seeing a 25 year old, on a national stage, raised fatherless, with open questions whether his mom was formerly a prostitute or not or slept with his team mate or not, not understand why so many people were pissed off at him, desperately trying to lay claims of racism, until his sponsors and David Stern decided to mute everyone in the media on the subject.

The ill fated toast at Chris Paul's wedding was another example, which triggered the "basketball reasons" trade veto and that entire mess.

When you sign a big extension and make some of the comments Melo has made in the press, it serves you nothing to leak to the press that you wish to be traded about a quarter through the first season into that extension.

Everything Melo does with the media just comes off ham fisted and in poor taste. He's so far from Phil Jackson in terms of how to handle people, how to handle the media, how to avoid a trap laded media question, how to avoid controversy, that it's honestly really sad. Then when you put his open desire to be "branded" to be some kind of new form Jay Z 2.0 icon in the media, it only makes the narrative more bizarre.

LeBron James is just not good in the press. He's great at basketball. But not good with the media. So he has Nike write things for him, he sticks to that brief script, he lets his franchises PR take care of things for him, and he shuts his mouth. Melo has yet to seem to learn that. That he's very poorly suited to deal with the modern media, that he's tone deaf, and that he's better off saying nothing.

Then fundamentally, that all speaks back to leadership. Or lack of it. If you can't handle the press, how can you handle your team mates? Is it any surprise that Melo can't handle the media, and then everyone realizes he can't make it work with Tyson Chandler, someone who could have helped this team, and that conflict only makes the talent situation worse on the team? When you are the Alpha Dog, the team "leader" you have to learn to manage the personalities around you, you have that responsibility as the "franchise player"

Melo wants to be the superstar, the Alpha Dog, the big cheese, but seems to be totally ignorant of the responsibilities and commitment implied. He shows up in a post game press conference in some kind of odd looking hat and you start to wonder if the guy has Aspergers or something, because the degree of tone deafness starts to move into the off the charts territory.

John Wall just recently had a post game interview where he was close to tear, over a young sick child he wanted to play well for. That resonates with fans, it reaches out to the fan base and to the NBA fandom in general. When Adam Silver calls out a name in the draft of a player whose health problems makes him undraftable, it's a genuine moment of real humanity. I think this is where Melo and many Knicks fans have a massive disconnect. Nothing about the way he plays, he behaves and his approach seems genuine. The game just seems like a means to an end for him, not a passion.

There's an interesting scene in the movie, Up In The Air, where George Clooney is a hired gun a large firm designed to maximize efficiency in firing people. He asks one man, whom he fires, who was young once and wanted to be a chef, how much did the company he worked for offer him to give up on his dream.

Clooney - Do you know why kids love sports stars?
Man - Because they bang lingerie models?
Clooney - No, that's why men love sports stars, why kids love them is because they are still chasing their dreams.

This is why Linsanity became a worldwide event. It wasn't just an underdog story. It was a genuine moment of pure humanity. About one person who doggedly chased their dreams and found it. And it moved people across race, religion, socio economic status, age, all because people can relate to that kind of story within themselves.

Melo just comes off as a guy who wants to be as famous as possible and would do it just as well selling igloos to eskimos if he had to, and that basketball isn't a dream, a passion, it's just a means to an end. It's ok to be that kind of mercenary at heart if you want to be a sixth man, but not when you want to be a franchise player.

Thanks... Wanted to write some myself on Melo but no need.
And no doubt Phil was aware of what Melo is and things to come.
Fisher did the rest by not giving in to mediocre bbal this team can play with ISO-Melo.
Now we need a lot of luck... and Knicks fans suffer long enough to deserve it.

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12/12/2014  8:44 AM
Im not angry or happy about this. When it comes to melo I don't hold any allegiance one way or the other. if he wanted to go to Chicago fine but I would have wanted a sign and trade but that couldn't happen because Chicago couldn't offer much money and didnt want to get rid of certain guys like Gibson and butler. I had no problem with him resigning but I didn't want to pay him 125 million because I felt that was too much. I just don't think Melo has the ability to be the top guy on a contedning team. His scoring ability is one of the best in the game we all know that and anybody that disputes that is being a true hater. I also compliment his rebounding which has always been good especially against Power forwards and centers. However his flaws on defense and playing within a team oriented system on offense has been a problem in his career. So if he wants to go that's fine but we need to get good value back. If he wants to stay that's also fine but if he stays he needs to cut this crap out and make sacrifices in order to help the team
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