VCoug wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:top picks if we choose to trade them will also give us a better chance at Anthony Davis, Durant & Lebron.

2015 FA Class STINKS. Stay pat and stockpile assets for game changing players

How do you figure? Anthony Davis will be a RFA and New Orleans will certainly match any offer. And there's no reason for Durant or Lebron to sign here especially when we don't add any real talent to this team next Summer.

That's fine. Then they should draft and develop their own Davis, Durant & Lebron. What they shouldn't do is make moves just to get in the playoffs. A playoff that consists of 16 teams in talent deluted league. Especially in the east where you have sub .500 teams making the playoffs. You want to build a legitmate championship contender. You need blue chip draft picks and free agents for that.

In the past our GM's would settle for playoff mediocrity but I don't get that sense from Phil. His reputation as a champion is on the line

gunsnewing wrote:

VCoug wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:top picks if we choose to trade them will also give us a better chance at Anthony Davis, Durant & Lebron.

2015 FA Class STINKS. Stay pat and stockpile assets for game changing players

How do you figure? Anthony Davis will be a RFA and New Orleans will certainly match any offer. And there's no reason for Durant or Lebron to sign here especially when we don't add any real talent to this team next Summer.

That's fine. Then they should draft and develop their own Davis, Durant & Lebron. What they shouldn't do is make moves just to get in the playoffs. A playoff that consists of 16 teams in talent deluted league. Especially in the east where you have sub .500 teams making the playoffs. You want to build a legitmate championship contender. You need blue chip draft picks and free agents for that.

In the past our GM's would settle for playoff mediocrity but I don't get that sense from Phil. His reputation as a champion is on the line

If they get a top 3 pick then can't they do both? Get some FAs and have a team that competes now while having players develop? Teams have done this in the past. If u built a roster that made legitimate sense with the pick and Melo they would be competing. The East isn't really competitive. A roster with balance such as Knight, Melo, OK4, and FAs that make sense/fit within the cost structure would certainly be a top 4 team in the East.

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I wonder what Pat Beverley will command in FA and what type of offer sheet would it take to get him away from Houston.

He's a backup at best. I can't see him getting better than Thabo money (aka $12 million/3yr).

Yeah, I think you need to readjust your eye test. $4m would still be a bargin for his production on both sides of the floor. I like his game and would make the perfect triangle lead guard. He plays without the ball, shoots the 3 well, drives when needed, and plays good d. He is a really good player regardless but not being ask to be the main play maker in a heavy PnR offense helps him out.

gunsnewing wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

VCoug wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:top picks if we choose to trade them will also give us a better chance at Anthony Davis, Durant & Lebron.

2015 FA Class STINKS. Stay pat and stockpile assets for game changing players

How do you figure? Anthony Davis will be a RFA and New Orleans will certainly match any offer. And there's no reason for Durant or Lebron to sign here especially when we don't add any real talent to this team next Summer.

That's fine. Then they should draft and develop their own Davis, Durant & Lebron. What they shouldn't do is make moves just to get in the playoffs. A playoff that consists of 16 teams in talent deluted league. Especially in the east where you have sub .500 teams making the playoffs. You want to build a legitmate championship contender. You need blue chip draft picks and free agents for that.

In the past our GM's would settle for playoff mediocrity but I don't get that sense from Phil. His reputation as a champion is on the line

If they get a top 3 pick then can't they do both? Get some FAs and have a team that competes now while having players develop? Teams have done this in the past. If u built a roster that made legitimate sense with the pick and Melo they would be competing. The East isn't really competitive. A roster with balance such as Knight, Melo, OK4, and FAs that make sense/fit within the cost structure would certainly be a top 4 team in the East.

I can't think of one. Maybe Dallas but they were kind of fluky and took advantage of Miami's early futility. Boston drafted Rondo who really panned out for them but they also traded for one of the best big men in history in KG and arguably the best shooter then game has seen in Ray Allen. That KG trade or Lakers stealing Gasol doesn't even happen under today's CBA.

The CBA is geared towards drafting and developing cheap young talent and using picks as leverage for game changers.

IMO MElo, Marc Gasol/Milsap are not championship caliber

Melo, OK4(if he becomes a cheap allstar big), someone like Reggie Jackson, russell westbrook, durant, davis lebron, aldridge could be.

You max out Marc Gasol and you will be left with the same mediocre team as the past 5yrs with no cap flexibility to improve and no significant draft picks.

Ideally we'd have next year's lotto pick to add to the mix as tanking next year would be just as easy. Prepare ourselves to make serious noise in 2016/17 but we gifted our 2016 lottery pick to Toronto for Bargnani

I was thinking SA with Duncan and Boston with Rondo. Other teams like San Antonio with Leonard and LA with Kobe have won with players that were still developing. It's def not impossible. A lot of teams have had a nice mix.

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I wonder what Draymond Green is going to get on the open market? I'm not sure if he's the real deal but he has been impressive with David Lee and company out. I'm not too fond of his game but he might be a fit for us, after all. He does some of what Paul Millsap does but is younger and hopefully will be cheaper.

The Knicks or anyone else could get Lee back--but it won't happen until after the season and then GSW will want the lottery pick for him.

The Warriors could stay waiting because that trade should never be made!

Good players that fit the role needed. Need not be a "star".......
A lot of good players on that list. SOmtimes some shake loose.

Nalod wrote:Need an Asik or Lin type blow up where we can offer money the incumbent team can't.
It happens, and team need be prepared!

Good players that fit the role needed. Need not be a "star".......
A lot of good players on that list. SOmtimes some shake loose.

Probably someone that Fisher knows very well.

NardDogNation wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Because we are running the triangle, I have to say I like Lin. I loved Lin last year and I know he has fallen off but to just bring the ball up, defend and have his IQ out there would probably do a lot for the team. Of course he would have to re-learn how to hit the open shot. But he loved NY and I think he is one of those players that plays much better under the bright lights here.

The problem with the triangle imo is that having a great PG probably doesn't help as much as one would think, since a great pg is not needed - seems like a waste of talent at a position (money wise).
So, I would rather have (talent wise) Jackson, Knight, etc. but I think this system would destroy much of their game and then a lot of their trade value. And we already experienced that with Tyson (for a variety of reasons.)

PG has not been a prominent position in the triangle because there hasn't been many talents that could maximize what is expected of the position. But if we signed a guy that can tenaciously defend the position, efficiently hit jump shots, takes care of the ball and is excellent at moving without the ball, I don't see why they couldn't be a star if the talent is there. Chauncey Billups would've been what he was in the triangle. Steph Curry would also still be a star. Hopefully we can sign a Brandon Knight or Reggie Jackson because they fulfill most of the criteria for being a triangle PG.

Fair points but that wouldn't a SG fit the bill and perhaps be a bit happier at the same time as well? I was wondering what was going through Larkins mind when he realized he would be playing in the triangle. My first thought was "Oh Shizz, I can't really show my skills in that." I just wonder if a great PG would think of signing here knowing they would be playing in the triangle. Let's say all things being equal (money, chance at winning, etc.) do you want to be a pg in the triangle? I wouldn't, it would be less fun.

Now, that said, if I was a SG with PG skills then I think that might be tempting.

This whole triangle thing as it relates to the pg position is a bit confusing. You mentioned a good point in that there haven't been any real pg's who are all stars who played in the triangle. But again, if you were a great pg, would you want to bring the ball up and just start the ball in motion (most times)? To me that would be like getting a well paid job that I don't really like.

But give me a tall PG (or combo guard) who can hit the open shot and defend VERY well, and then I think we have our pg. A pg that can create his shot would be great, but again, realistically, do they want to play here? (Maybe if they are the last piece, but I don't see them signing up early.)

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