Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:The games that Tyson and Melo actually played in 2013-2014

Knicks record was 22 and 28 winning % .440

In games that Tyson played regardless of who was injured

Knicks record was 23 and 31 winning % .425

I know you are bias to Tyson but let's do a better job

At presenting facts since this board tends to go Sabermtric Centric often

Then I was off in my guess but that's still double our winning % now.
I'm "biased" towards trading Tyson (and any of our other players) *for good value*

I agree we didn't get good enough value for Tyson

And we should have traded him some time January first part of February last year

When we went on that winning streak and he pulled down rebounds

For like a 3 week stretch like he's doing now

Teams were jockying more for positions then not as much

In the Summer time while trying to give up assets to do so

Something tells me Dallas was obviously one of those teams

Who wanted Tyson last year, they probably don't move Jose then though

Knicks1969 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.

would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

They are treating this season like summer league. Mixing rotations, getting adjusted to the new system, giving everyone a chance on any given night.

Yes... if given the chance to win they want that. Last night obviously showed that. Amare was diving the on the floor. Melo was trying to will the ball into the basket on a night nothing would fall for him. THjr attacking. JR played very hard. It was a great game to watch... really enjoyable. But no... they wont tell the players to tank but you can coach to tank without it being obvious. Its like an instructional league. They really dont care about the score. Thats what I see

It is either the coach does not have a clue about how to coach or is done deliberately. I don't understand why the coach can't pick 5 players and stick with them as starters.

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.

would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

They are treating this season like summer league. Mixing rotations, getting adjusted to the new system, giving everyone a chance on any given night.

Yes... if given the chance to win they want that. Last night obviously showed that. Amare was diving the on the floor. Melo was trying to will the ball into the basket on a night nothing would fall for him. THjr attacking. JR played very hard. It was a great game to watch... really enjoyable. But no... they wont tell the players to tank but you can coach to tank without it being obvious. Its like an instructional league. They really dont care about the score. Thats what I see

It is either the coach does not have a clue about how to coach or is done deliberately. I don't understand why the coach can't pick 5 players and stick with them as starters.

Probably because we don't have 5 guys who even belong in an NBA rotation

When Larry Brown did this and we all know he had a trashola roster

He was sabatoging on purpose and people wanted him outta here

When Fisher does it, it's because the roster is devoid of talent

Although some referenced the 54win team similarities hmmmmmmm

Maybe this is Fish saying to Phil we need another purge homie

Needless to say he needs to find some stability it's getting way past ridiculous

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.

would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.

Doesn't matter if they are trying to lose on purpose or not. They aren't good enough to win consistently.

You would be the first person to be upset that the Knicks are stuck in mediocrity winning enough games to make the playoffs but not enough playoff games to contend. So here we are actually sucking really bad with our lotto pick in hand, regardless if on purpose or not. And you seem more driven to write Tyson Chandler secret love notes.

Unless Phil Jackson makes short sighted season saving type trade that ruins our chances at a high lotto pick or gives up future assets. Then dropping down from 450 to 250 is the best case scenario for the long term regardless if its on purpose or not.

That's not remotely true. I've been saying I'd like to have explored trading Tyson in a worthwhile deal before the deadline. A top pick with bad decision-makers is a good way to stay stuck in mediocrity actually.

This is true. But its way to early to know if Phil is a bad desicion maker as we could be in a way worse position then we are now making moves trying to win immediately. U said Phil has done the worst job u have seen or something like that dropping the team from 450 to 250. This would only make sense if all Phil's moves have been based on winning right now.

knicks1248 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Not infusing this team with enough youth

And/Or playing our younger players more

You mean the young players that phil refuse to extend, and have no interest in keeping..yeah play them. Oh wait, you can't evaluate them either because of their wildly inconsistent minutes that they get. Coles, Wear, thj, are bench players, that already been establish.

Devolping talent is teaching them how to win, not tank

Even if they aren't in future plans

You play them in a potential opportunity to trade and get value back

It might work with Larkin but who knows

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.

would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.

Doesn't matter if they are trying to lose on purpose or not. They aren't good enough to win consistently.

You would be the first person to be upset that the Knicks are stuck in mediocrity winning enough games to make the playoffs but not enough playoff games to contend. So here we are actually sucking really bad with our lotto pick in hand, regardless if on purpose or not. And you seem more driven to write Tyson Chandler secret love notes.

Unless Phil Jackson makes short sighted season saving type trade that ruins our chances at a high lotto pick or gives up future assets. Then dropping down from 450 to 250 is the best case scenario for the long term regardless if its on purpose or not.

That's not remotely true. I've been saying I'd like to have explored trading Tyson in a worthwhile deal before the deadline. A top pick with bad decision-makers is a good way to stay stuck in mediocrity actually.

This is true. But its way to early to know if Phil is a bad desicion maker as we could be in a way worse position then we are now making moves trying to win immediately. U said Phil has done the worst job u have seen or something like that dropping the team from 450 to 250. This would only make sense if all Phil's moves have been based on winning right now.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.

would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.

Doesn't matter if they are trying to lose on purpose or not. They aren't good enough to win consistently.

You would be the first person to be upset that the Knicks are stuck in mediocrity winning enough games to make the playoffs but not enough playoff games to contend. So here we are actually sucking really bad with our lotto pick in hand, regardless if on purpose or not. And you seem more driven to write Tyson Chandler secret love notes.

Unless Phil Jackson makes short sighted season saving type trade that ruins our chances at a high lotto pick or gives up future assets. Then dropping down from 450 to 250 is the best case scenario for the long term regardless if its on purpose or not.

That's not remotely true. I've been saying I'd like to have explored trading Tyson in a worthwhile deal before the deadline. A top pick with bad decision-makers is a good way to stay stuck in mediocrity actually.

This is true. But its way to early to know if Phil is a bad desicion maker as we could be in a way worse position then we are now making moves trying to win immediately. U said Phil has done the worst job u have seen or something like that dropping the team from 450 to 250. This would only make sense if all Phil's moves have been based on winning right now.

I see no evidence whatsoever that he wasn't trying to win now. It's just wishful thinking that this poor play was planned

Reguardless of the play. Phil so far has not put himself in poor position to improve the team going forward. Phil hasn't made any moves commiting to the success of this current yr. He could have easily made bigger splashes in an attempt to win now.

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.

would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.

Doesn't matter if they are trying to lose on purpose or not. They aren't good enough to win consistently.

You would be the first person to be upset that the Knicks are stuck in mediocrity winning enough games to make the playoffs but not enough playoff games to contend. So here we are actually sucking really bad with our lotto pick in hand, regardless if on purpose or not. And you seem more driven to write Tyson Chandler secret love notes.

Unless Phil Jackson makes short sighted season saving type trade that ruins our chances at a high lotto pick or gives up future assets. Then dropping down from 450 to 250 is the best case scenario for the long term regardless if its on purpose or not.

That's not remotely true. I've been saying I'd like to have explored trading Tyson in a worthwhile deal before the deadline. A top pick with bad decision-makers is a good way to stay stuck in mediocrity actually.

This is true. But its way to early to know if Phil is a bad desicion maker as we could be in a way worse position then we are now making moves trying to win immediately. U said Phil has done the worst job u have seen or something like that dropping the team from 450 to 250. This would only make sense if all Phil's moves have been based on winning right now.

I see no evidence whatsoever that he wasn't trying to win now. It's just wishful thinking that this poor play was planned

Reguardless of the play. Phil so far has not put himself in poor position to improve the team going forward. Phil hasn't made any moves commiting to the success of this current yr. He could have easily made bigger splashes in an attempt to win now.

Could he have? It's not like we have assets to give up. The only thing you could point to is that he hasn't traded away any picks.

He could have went hard after Greg Monroe in the offseason with a s&t dangling any package of Hardaway jr, 2018 first round pick, Shumpert and Bargs expiring. Then outbid Kings using mid level exception for Darren Collison's services.

1 last season so he could prepare to

Say goodbye on his terms

We took that opportunity away from him

I guess we all have our trinkets