BRIGGS wrote:there have been some duzzies but I think #1 has to be not getting Lowry for the price of a restricted pick--heck we have given away first round picks just to take salary. Lowry Tyson and melo wouldve been pretty tough to beat in the east.

Our owner truly is the dumbest tool in the shed when it comes to the NBA

Reaction after a tough loss.

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Not trading for him was absolutely the right decision- we had to draw a line in the sand and stop trading our draft picks. It's like we're addicted to it- just one more 1st round draft pick trade! Then that's it! The main reason why we've been so bad for the past 15 years is because of all the first round picks we've traded because it seemed like a good idea at the time.

As already said, there was a high chance Lowry wouldn't have re-signed with us, especially if we'd missed the playoffs or he hadn't meshed with Melo. Or he could have gotten injured (or may get injured in the future) or Melo gets injured (likely at some point over the next 4 years) Then we'd have no pick in 2016 and no pick in 2018- and so our cycle of doom would have continued for another 4 years.

Look, I like Lowry, but it was the right decision if you take into accou the bigger picture.

I guess if you want to say what would give us the ability to put 2-3 premiere type players around melo that made sense--that this trade of a restricted number 1 was a no brainer of monumental proportions. We were done with Felton--we needed an injection at the time and the guy's play was absolutely taking off. Lowry today is at serious MVP levels. Thats why they can lose a 23 point scorer and continue to win--thats what an MVP type player does for a team. I agree w throwing picks around half haphazardly--got you all the way there. Paying what an UNRESTRICTED #1 and 2 2's for Bargs when NO ONE else was offering anything--the guy coming off two years of injury--I mean blasphemy right? Paying so may unrestricted picks for Curry again disaster. But this was not that. This was paying a restricted pick for a proven young PG who was becoming a game-changing player.

What makes you so sure that Kyle Lowry could do what he's doing with us? Remember, he's never performed like he is performing now. He could very well be as much of a product of circumstance as Lin was with us. And who magically becomes a star at 28 years old when most guys at his position are beginning a steady decline at that point? Needless to say, I'm skeptical of him.

That's even if he resigned with us. He was a free agent this past Summer.

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Not trading for him was absolutely the right decision- we had to draw a line in the sand and stop trading our draft picks. It's like we're addicted to it- just one more 1st round draft pick trade! Then that's it! The main reason why we've been so bad for the past 15 years is because of all the first round picks we've traded because it seemed like a good idea at the time.

As already said, there was a high chance Lowry wouldn't have re-signed with us, especially if we'd missed the playoffs or he hadn't meshed with Melo. Or he could have gotten injured (or may get injured in the future) or Melo gets injured (likely at some point over the next 4 years) Then we'd have no pick in 2016 and no pick in 2018- and so our cycle of doom would have continued for another 4 years.

Look, I like Lowry, but it was the right decision if you take into accou the bigger picture.

I guess if you want to say what would give us the ability to put 2-3 premiere type players around melo that made sense--that this trade of a restricted number 1 was a no brainer of monumental proportions. We were done with Felton--we needed an injection at the time and the guy's play was absolutely taking off. Lowry today is at serious MVP levels. Thats why they can lose a 23 point scorer and continue to win--thats what an MVP type player does for a team. I agree w throwing picks around half haphazardly--got you all the way there. Paying what an UNRESTRICTED #1 and 2 2's for Bargs when NO ONE else was offering anything--the guy coming off two years of injury--I mean blasphemy right? Paying so may unrestricted picks for Curry again disaster. But this was not that. This was paying a restricted pick for a proven young PG who was becoming a game-changing player.

What makes you so sure that Kyle Lowry could do what he's doing with us? Remember, he's never performed like he is performing now. He could very well be as much of a product of circumstance as Lin was with us. And who magically becomes a star at 28 years old when most guys at his position are beginning a steady decline at that point? Needless to say, I'm skeptical of him.

no guarantee but lowry, despite all his issues prior was still a very good player with solid advance metrics. i don't think anyone can really flourish with melo being the alpha dog but he still would be a major upgrade and his style of play would be infectious.

djsunyc wrote:the growth of lowry:

Masai - "after the Laker game, Kyle texted me and said, i shot the ball terribly, i took too many shots, ill be better next game, we will win vs Sacramento, don't worry we will be fine until Demar gets back"

and he backed it up in sacramento and then again in utah on a b2b.

He still shot jacked[21 and 22fga respectively those following games]

He's just so good now that having an off night doesn't spiral into off nights

Unlike our

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BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Not trading for him was absolutely the right decision- we had to draw a line in the sand and stop trading our draft picks. It's like we're addicted to it- just one more 1st round draft pick trade! Then that's it! The main reason why we've been so bad for the past 15 years is because of all the first round picks we've traded because it seemed like a good idea at the time.

As already said, there was a high chance Lowry wouldn't have re-signed with us, especially if we'd missed the playoffs or he hadn't meshed with Melo. Or he could have gotten injured (or may get injured in the future) or Melo gets injured (likely at some point over the next 4 years) Then we'd have no pick in 2016 and no pick in 2018- and so our cycle of doom would have continued for another 4 years.

Look, I like Lowry, but it was the right decision if you take into accou the bigger picture.

I guess if you want to say what would give us the ability to put 2-3 premiere type players around melo that made sense--that this trade of a restricted number 1 was a no brainer of monumental proportions. We were done with Felton--we needed an injection at the time and the guy's play was absolutely taking off. Lowry today is at serious MVP levels. Thats why they can lose a 23 point scorer and continue to win--thats what an MVP type player does for a team. I agree w throwing picks around half haphazardly--got you all the way there. Paying what an UNRESTRICTED #1 and 2 2's for Bargs when NO ONE else was offering anything--the guy coming off two years of injury--I mean blasphemy right? Paying so may unrestricted picks for Curry again disaster. But this was not that. This was paying a restricted pick for a proven young PG who was becoming a game-changing player.

Yea that is what an MVP does but if you say you rather have Lowry over Melo you will instantly get labeled a hater and accused of bringing the forum's morale down

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Not trading for him was absolutely the right decision- we had to draw a line in the sand and stop trading our draft picks. It's like we're addicted to it- just one more 1st round draft pick trade! Then that's it! The main reason why we've been so bad for the past 15 years is because of all the first round picks we've traded because it seemed like a good idea at the time.

As already said, there was a high chance Lowry wouldn't have re-signed with us, especially if we'd missed the playoffs or he hadn't meshed with Melo. Or he could have gotten injured (or may get injured in the future) or Melo gets injured (likely at some point over the next 4 years) Then we'd have no pick in 2016 and no pick in 2018- and so our cycle of doom would have continued for another 4 years.

Look, I like Lowry, but it was the right decision if you take into accou the bigger picture.

I guess if you want to say what would give us the ability to put 2-3 premiere type players around melo that made sense--that this trade of a restricted number 1 was a no brainer of monumental proportions. We were done with Felton--we needed an injection at the time and the guy's play was absolutely taking off. Lowry today is at serious MVP levels. Thats why they can lose a 23 point scorer and continue to win--thats what an MVP type player does for a team. I agree w throwing picks around half haphazardly--got you all the way there. Paying what an UNRESTRICTED #1 and 2 2's for Bargs when NO ONE else was offering anything--the guy coming off two years of injury--I mean blasphemy right? Paying so may unrestricted picks for Curry again disaster. But this was not that. This was paying a restricted pick for a proven young PG who was becoming a game-changing player.

Yea that is what an MVP does but if you say you rather have Lowry over Melo you will instantly get labeled a hater and accused of bringing the forum's morale down

It's because that point is usually made in the context of Melo being at fault for everything wrong with the team. Its easy to dismiss people when that is the case; that is a dumb argument.