mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I hate to say I told you so...but I told you all so.

No, I wasn't a fan of Tyson's body language but why should that matter? He's playing with grown men who should have the gumption to get beyond that. Besides, any player that can't handle bad "body language", isn't equipped to handle the stress and rigors of playing in New York anyway. I'm not saying that we should have kept Tyson but this notion that he needed to be traded immediately, because of his pouty-face was flat out dumb.

Now, all we have to show for moving Tyson is a 33 year old PG due $21 million over the next 3 years and some marginal 2nd rounders that people try to hype up as game changers. I hated that trade then and hate it the same today because it was a horrible waste of an asset. The silver lining is that we're so FUBAR that we've accidentally positioned ourselves well enough to be contenders for Emanual Mudiay, Karl Towns and Jahlil Okafor.

It was a lot more than a pouty face. He was going to the gm trying to get his coach fired. I really wanted Mills out in the Phil purge last year as we'll. whatever you think of Woodson he had no support from mills last year.

You're blaming him for encouraging what we all wanted to happen? Woodson was a horrible coach and Chandler had every right to voice that opinion, since Woodson's ineptitude hurt Chandler's career and future earning potential. You see the way that he's playing for Dallas now, right? That could've been us (assuming we could find a coach with the chops that Rick Carlisle has)!

I don't know. Maybe I'm just trying to be the devil's advocate but I don't see the wrong in it.

you think that the fact that dallas has a really good team surrounding him helps? Chandler and Melo/Stats game don't mesh.

Based on what? They had a 54 win season and over .500 record as teammates.

that 54 win season had guards and leaders.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I hate to say I told you so...but I told you all so.

No, I wasn't a fan of Tyson's body language but why should that matter? He's playing with grown men who should have the gumption to get beyond that. Besides, any player that can't handle bad "body language", isn't equipped to handle the stress and rigors of playing in New York anyway. I'm not saying that we should have kept Tyson but this notion that he needed to be traded immediately, because of his pouty-face was flat out dumb.

Now, all we have to show for moving Tyson is a 33 year old PG due $21 million over the next 3 years and some marginal 2nd rounders that people try to hype up as game changers. I hated that trade then and hate it the same today because it was a horrible waste of an asset. The silver lining is that we're so FUBAR that we've accidentally positioned ourselves well enough to be contenders for Emanual Mudiay, Karl Towns and Jahlil Okafor.

It was a lot more than a pouty face. He was going to the gm trying to get his coach fired. I really wanted Mills out in the Phil purge last year as we'll. whatever you think of Woodson he had no support from mills last year.

You're blaming him for encouraging what we all wanted to happen? Woodson was a horrible coach and Chandler had every right to voice that opinion, since Woodson's ineptitude hurt Chandler's career and future earning potential. You see the way that he's playing for Dallas now, right? That could've been us (assuming we could find a coach with the chops that Rick Carlisle has)!

I don't know. Maybe I'm just trying to be the devil's advocate but I don't see the wrong in it.

you think that the fact that dallas has a really good team surrounding him helps? Chandler and Melo/Stats game don't mesh.

Based on what? They had a 54 win season and over .500 record as teammates.

that 54 win season had guards and leaders.

Of course you have to have good teammates. I still asked, they don't mesh based on what?

based on tyson moping, not even trying anymore ...

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I hate to say I told you so...but I told you all so.

No, I wasn't a fan of Tyson's body language but why should that matter? He's playing with grown men who should have the gumption to get beyond that. Besides, any player that can't handle bad "body language", isn't equipped to handle the stress and rigors of playing in New York anyway. I'm not saying that we should have kept Tyson but this notion that he needed to be traded immediately, because of his pouty-face was flat out dumb.

Now, all we have to show for moving Tyson is a 33 year old PG due $21 million over the next 3 years and some marginal 2nd rounders that people try to hype up as game changers. I hated that trade then and hate it the same today because it was a horrible waste of an asset. The silver lining is that we're so FUBAR that we've accidentally positioned ourselves well enough to be contenders for Emanual Mudiay, Karl Towns and Jahlil Okafor.

It was a lot more than a pouty face. He was going to the gm trying to get his coach fired. I really wanted Mills out in the Phil purge last year as we'll. whatever you think of Woodson he had no support from mills last year.

You're blaming him for encouraging what we all wanted to happen? Woodson was a horrible coach and Chandler had every right to voice that opinion, since Woodson's ineptitude hurt Chandler's career and future earning potential. You see the way that he's playing for Dallas now, right? That could've been us (assuming we could find a coach with the chops that Rick Carlisle has)!

I don't know. Maybe I'm just trying to be the devil's advocate but I don't see the wrong in it.

you think that the fact that dallas has a really good team surrounding him helps? Chandler and Melo/Stats game don't mesh.

I think it does. Prior to Dallas, Tyson Chandler was a guy that was traded for expiring contracts. At the end of the day he's a role player but is pretty damn good at doing what his role is. And because it's so rare to find that package in a 7"0' frame, I thought contenders would pony up more than expirers for him. I still think OKC would've relinquished both their first rounders for this past draft for him. After all, Omer Asik got a first round pick from a lottery team. That's besides the point but to answer your question, yes he is a product of his circumstance.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent. The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package. Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If Omer "I can't catch an entry pass or shoot free throws better than 50% to save my life" Asik could get a first from them....we could've gotten a protected pick and possibly better. Had we not been so quick to move Chandler, that opportunity would've presented itself.

The key is also being able to dump Felton as well.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent. The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package. Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If Omer "I can't catch an entry pass or shoot free throws better than 50% to save my life" Asik could get a first from them....we could've gotten a protected pick and possibly better. Had we not been so quick to move Chandler, that opportunity would've presented itself.

The key is also being able to dump Felton as well.

Why is that the key? I don't even like Felton certainly didn't want him back when we S&T for him but I don't see why Felton is the key in anyandanyson trade. It's not even as if we opened up cap space since Calderon will be making more over more years. You're just trying to justify a ****ty trade.

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent. The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package. Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If Omer "I can't catch an entry pass or shoot free throws better than 50% to save my life" Asik could get a first from them....we could've gotten a protected pick and possibly better. Had we not been so quick to move Chandler, that opportunity would've presented itself.

The key is also being able to dump Felton as well.

Why is that the key? I don't even like Felton certainly didn't want him back when we S&T for him but I don't see why Felton is the key in anyandanyson trade. It's not even as if we opened up cap space since Calderon will be making more over more years. You're just trying to justify a ****ty trade.

Exactly. We didn't open up cap space. We could have kept Tyson, waived Felton, and probably been a lot better than .250 right now.

Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent.

The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package.

Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If you guys actually read what was written you would have known when I said "dumping Felton was the key", I was discussing with NardDog the possibility of moving Tyson to the Pelicans not the Dallas trade.

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent. The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package. Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If Omer "I can't catch an entry pass or shoot free throws better than 50% to save my life" Asik could get a first from them....we could've gotten a protected pick and possibly better. Had we not been so quick to move Chandler, that opportunity would've presented itself.

The key is also being able to dump Felton as well.

Why is that the key? I don't even like Felton certainly didn't want him back when we S&T for him but I don't see why Felton is the key in anyandanyson trade. It's not even as if we opened up cap space since Calderon will be making more over more years. You're just trying to justify a ****ty trade.

Exactly. We didn't open up cap space. We could have kept Tyson, waived Felton, and probably been a lot better than .250 right now.

Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent.

The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package.

Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If you guys actually read what was written you would have known when I said "dumping Felton was the key", I was discussing with NardDog the possibility of moving Tyson to the Pelicans not the Dallas trade.

You still haven't explained why that's the key.

Clearly because Felton may have been untradable yet ate into the 2015 cap space. Being able to use Tyson to dump Felton would have saved 4.5mil in 2015 cap space as well as maybe landed us a future draft pick. Not only that but if that NO deal really happen we would have a 16mil trade exception which we maybe could have used to take on an unwanted expiring contract(Lin in hindsight) for another future draft pick.

newyorknewyork wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent. The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package. Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If Omer "I can't catch an entry pass or shoot free throws better than 50% to save my life" Asik could get a first from them....we could've gotten a protected pick and possibly better. Had we not been so quick to move Chandler, that opportunity would've presented itself.

The key is also being able to dump Felton as well.

Why is that the key? I don't even like Felton certainly didn't want him back when we S&T for him but I don't see why Felton is the key in anyandanyson trade. It's not even as if we opened up cap space since Calderon will be making more over more years. You're just trying to justify a ****ty trade.

Exactly. We didn't open up cap space. We could have kept Tyson, waived Felton, and probably been a lot better than .250 right now.

Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent.

The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package.

Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If you guys actually read what was written you would have known when I said "dumping Felton was the key", I was discussing with NardDog the possibility of moving Tyson to the Pelicans not the Dallas trade.

You still haven't explained why that's the key.

Clearly because Felton may have been untradable yet ate into the 2015 cap space. Being able to use Tyson to dump Felton would have saved 4.5mil in 2015 cap space as well as maybe landed us a future draft pick. Not only that but if that NO deal really happen we would have a 16mil trade exception which we maybe could have used to take on an unwanted expiring contract(Lin in hindsight) for another future draft pick.

The only issue we'd have for dumping Chandler for picks is a pretty big one. I don't think Melo re-signs here if something like that happens, which would leave us in a worse predicament than we are already in. We would've had to fill the void, left behind by Tyson and then some to give him false hope that we'd be competitive this season. Maybe we could've gotten Asik and Lin in a bundle package without having to give up a pick. We'd be no better than we are but those guys would help to hold our attention.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent. The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package. Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If Omer "I can't catch an entry pass or shoot free throws better than 50% to save my life" Asik could get a first from them....we could've gotten a protected pick and possibly better. Had we not been so quick to move Chandler, that opportunity would've presented itself.

The key is also being able to dump Felton as well.

Why is that the key? I don't even like Felton certainly didn't want him back when we S&T for him but I don't see why Felton is the key in anyandanyson trade. It's not even as if we opened up cap space since Calderon will be making more over more years. You're just trying to justify a ****ty trade.

Exactly. We didn't open up cap space. We could have kept Tyson, waived Felton, and probably been a lot better than .250 right now.

Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent.

The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package.

Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If you guys actually read what was written you would have known when I said "dumping Felton was the key", I was discussing with NardDog the possibility of moving Tyson to the Pelicans not the Dallas trade.

You still haven't explained why that's the key.

Clearly because Felton may have been untradable yet ate into the 2015 cap space. Being able to use Tyson to dump Felton would have saved 4.5mil in 2015 cap space as well as maybe landed us a future draft pick. Not only that but if that NO deal really happen we would have a 16mil trade exception which we maybe could have used to take on an unwanted expiring contract(Lin in hindsight) for another future draft pick.

The only issue we'd have for dumping Chandler for picks is a pretty big one. I don't think Melo re-signs here if something like that happens, which would leave us in a worse predicament than we are already in. We would've had to fill the void, left behind by Tyson and then some to give him false hope that we'd be competitive this season. Maybe we could've gotten Asik and Lin in a bundle package without having to give up a pick. We'd be no better than we are but those guys would help to hold our attention.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent. The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package. Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If Omer "I can't catch an entry pass or shoot free throws better than 50% to save my life" Asik could get a first from them....we could've gotten a protected pick and possibly better. Had we not been so quick to move Chandler, that opportunity would've presented itself.

The key is also being able to dump Felton as well.

Why is that the key? I don't even like Felton certainly didn't want him back when we S&T for him but I don't see why Felton is the key in anyandanyson trade. It's not even as if we opened up cap space since Calderon will be making more over more years. You're just trying to justify a ****ty trade.

Exactly. We didn't open up cap space. We could have kept Tyson, waived Felton, and probably been a lot better than .250 right now.

Tyson probably would have helped us be an 8th seed with a first round exit and he probably walks as a free agent.

The question isn't if we should have kept Tyson, no mater how he performs with Dallas. The question is should we have gotten a better package.

Only real problem I have with the trade was I would have rather had a future first rounder then Larkin. And I didn't like that Calderon's contract ran into 2015 cap space.

Tyson & Felton to NO for Rivers and 2015 first rounder lotto protected or 2016 first rounder. Would have made me happy.

If you guys actually read what was written you would have known when I said "dumping Felton was the key", I was discussing with NardDog the possibility of moving Tyson to the Pelicans not the Dallas trade.

You still haven't explained why that's the key.

Clearly because Felton may have been untradable yet ate into the 2015 cap space. Being able to use Tyson to dump Felton would have saved 4.5mil in 2015 cap space as well as maybe landed us a future draft pick. Not only that but if that NO deal really happen we would have a 16mil trade exception which we maybe could have used to take on an unwanted expiring contract(Lin in hindsight) for another future draft pick.

The only issue we'd have for dumping Chandler for picks is a pretty big one. I don't think Melo re-signs here if something like that happens, which would leave us in a worse predicament than we are already in. We would've had to fill the void, left behind by Tyson and then some to give him false hope that we'd be competitive this season. Maybe we could've gotten Asik and Lin in a bundle package without having to give up a pick. We'd be no better than we are but those guys would help to hold our attention.

I'd much rather be .150 with the extra $25 mil in cap space actually.

To each his own. Remember, we don't even have a 2016 pick for that to be a silverlining. Add to the fact that cap space has only built winners twice in NBA history (LeBron's Heat; Shaq's Lakers). That makes me very skeptical of our rebuild plan. At least with Melo under contract, we have a major asset that can possibly be traded. Without him we'd be the David Kahn Wolves....minus the picks.