Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

if you claim that it must have affected his shot then guess what-- as i said then and repeat now: stop shooting and do something else to help the team!!!

the overarching issue at the moment is that a man's body hits its physical peak around 28 and then begins to succumb to father time-- the only things that forestall that is genetics and training regimen.

melo has treated himself as a commodity his entire career, and blithely continues to do so while rubbing our faces in it. while i do not wish ill on him-- i am a knick fan first-- if you discern something beyond concern for his well-being from me, there is ample grounds for it.

shoulders, knees, backs... these are simply body parts that belong to melo's own "self-as-commodity" model. agreed?

When you want to criticize his play his injury is minor. When you want to criticize his contract/age his injury could be career threatening. It is pretty transparent and it goes along with what you have been posting since you arrived here.

So you're saying he shouldn't be criticizing the play or contract? I'm missing your point.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

if you claim that it must have affected his shot then guess what-- as i said then and repeat now: stop shooting and do something else to help the team!!!

the overarching issue at the moment is that a man's body hits its physical peak around 28 and then begins to succumb to father time-- the only things that forestall that is genetics and training regimen.

melo has treated himself as a commodity his entire career, and blithely continues to do so while rubbing our faces in it. while i do not wish ill on him-- i am a knick fan first-- if you discern something beyond concern for his well-being from me, there is ample grounds for it.

shoulders, knees, backs... these are simply body parts that belong to melo's own "self-as-commodity" model. agreed?

When you want to criticize his play his injury is minor. When you want to criticize his contract/age his injury could be career threatening. It is pretty transparent and it goes along with what you have been posting since you arrived here.

So you're saying he shouldn't be criticizing the play or contract? I'm missing your point.

I see much more personal attack going on than an actual attempt to debate or refute any points. Making DK the board's whipping boy proves nothing. He didn't even say anything that controversial in this thread, so it is just becoming a personal agenda to attack him.

I don't know what was once said about the shoulder, but if he replies that then Melo should adapt his game to contribute something besides jacking shots he cannot reliably make with a bad shoulder, how can you ignore that comment and keep hammering away on the poster instead? Sounds like a perfectly sane response regarding a player known for volume shooting and sometimes forgetting the rest of his game.

As far as calling Melo's use of his body as a commodity, I think the point is simple. If Melo takes his body for granted and doesn't rehabilitate himself conscientiously in an effort to fulfill his contractual obligations, then he will taking everything for granted, including fan support. If he wants to be held in high regard, then he has to behave in way that shows he is not lazy or cavalier or else he would be nothing more than a mercenary huckster, hence the commoditization comments.

Deal with the poster's points. Stop attacking the poster. It's ridiculous.

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

if you claim that it must have affected his shot then guess what-- as i said then and repeat now: stop shooting and do something else to help the team!!!

the overarching issue at the moment is that a man's body hits its physical peak around 28 and then begins to succumb to father time-- the only things that forestall that is genetics and training regimen.

melo has treated himself as a commodity his entire career, and blithely continues to do so while rubbing our faces in it. while i do not wish ill on him-- i am a knick fan first-- if you discern something beyond concern for his well-being from me, there is ample grounds for it.

shoulders, knees, backs... these are simply body parts that belong to melo's own "self-as-commodity" model. agreed?

When you want to criticize his play his injury is minor. When you want to criticize his contract/age his injury could be career threatening. It is pretty transparent and it goes along with what you have been posting since you arrived here.

So you're saying he shouldn't be criticizing the play or contract? I'm missing your point.

I see much more personal attack going on than an actual attempt to debate or refute any points. Making DK the board's whipping boy proves nothing. He didn't even say anything that controversial in this thread, so it is just becoming a personal agenda to attack him.

I don't know what was once said about the shoulder, but if he replies that then Melo should adapt his game to contribute something besides jacking shots he cannot reliably make with a bad shoulder, how can you ignore that comment and keep hammering away on the poster instead? Sounds like a perfectly sane response regarding a player known for volume shooting and sometimes forgetting the rest of his game.

As far calling Melo use of his commodity, I think the point is simple. If Melo takes his body for granted and doesn't rehabilitate himself conscientiously in an effort to fulfill his contractual obligations, then he will taking everything for granted, including fan support. If he wants to be held in high regard, then he has to behave in way that shows he is not lazy or cavalier or else he would be nothing more than a mercenary huckster, hence the commoditization comments.

Deal with the poster's points. Stop attacking the poster. It's ridiculous.

He said some stupid stuff before you were here especially about Melo's shoulder. Not a personal attack just a point of reference. It also goes a long with a general bashing of Melo from any angle he can find. Interpret it however you want just know that it isn't an attack but rather a reference to previous posts and a reminder that he has a history of being far from objective in all things Melo.

you're gonna hafta back up your accusations with literal quotes if you want splat or any other newcomer to believe what you are accusing me of. my guess is that you either won't or if you do you will be sliced and diced. bring it on sparky

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

if you claim that it must have affected his shot then guess what-- as i said then and repeat now: stop shooting and do something else to help the team!!!

the overarching issue at the moment is that a man's body hits its physical peak around 28 and then begins to succumb to father time-- the only things that forestall that is genetics and training regimen.

melo has treated himself as a commodity his entire career, and blithely continues to do so while rubbing our faces in it. while i do not wish ill on him-- i am a knick fan first-- if you discern something beyond concern for his well-being from me, there is ample grounds for it.

shoulders, knees, backs... these are simply body parts that belong to melo's own "self-as-commodity" model. agreed?

When you want to criticize his play his injury is minor. When you want to criticize his contract/age his injury could be career threatening. It is pretty transparent and it goes along with what you have been posting since you arrived here.

So you're saying he shouldn't be criticizing the play or contract? I'm missing your point.

I see much more personal attack going on than an actual attempt to debate or refute any points. Making DK the board's whipping boy proves nothing. He didn't even say anything that controversial in this thread, so it is just becoming a personal agenda to attack him.

I don't know what was once said about the shoulder, but if he replies that then Melo should adapt his game to contribute something besides jacking shots he cannot reliably make with a bad shoulder, how can you ignore that comment and keep hammering away on the poster instead? Sounds like a perfectly sane response regarding a player known for volume shooting and sometimes forgetting the rest of his game.

As far as calling Melo's use of his body as a commodity, I think the point is simple. If Melo takes his body for granted and doesn't rehabilitate himself conscientiously in an effort to fulfill his contractual obligations, then he will taking everything for granted, including fan support. If he wants to be held in high regard, then he has to behave in way that shows he is not lazy or cavalier or else he would be nothing more than a mercenary huckster, hence the commoditization comments.

Deal with the poster's points. Stop attacking the poster. It's ridiculous.

He's not a whipping boy. Just rather a guy who
1) would call Melo out on games he didnt watch (the elephant in the room thread)
2) used to remind us regularly that Gallo had a better contract
3) blithely makes stuff up about Melo

Not really worth wasting a whipping on. But he's great aside from all that.

With the Knicks playing very poorly and Melo hurting you will get to read A LOT of his posts if you stick around. Prepare to enjoy.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

if you claim that it must have affected his shot then guess what-- as i said then and repeat now: stop shooting and do something else to help the team!!!

the overarching issue at the moment is that a man's body hits its physical peak around 28 and then begins to succumb to father time-- the only things that forestall that is genetics and training regimen.

melo has treated himself as a commodity his entire career, and blithely continues to do so while rubbing our faces in it. while i do not wish ill on him-- i am a knick fan first-- if you discern something beyond concern for his well-being from me, there is ample grounds for it.

shoulders, knees, backs... these are simply body parts that belong to melo's own "self-as-commodity" model. agreed?

When you want to criticize his play his injury is minor. When you want to criticize his contract/age his injury could be career threatening. It is pretty transparent and it goes along with what you have been posting since you arrived here.

So you're saying he shouldn't be criticizing the play or contract? I'm missing your point.

I see much more personal attack going on than an actual attempt to debate or refute any points. Making DK the board's whipping boy proves nothing. He didn't even say anything that controversial in this thread, so it is just becoming a personal agenda to attack him.

I don't know what was once said about the shoulder, but if he replies that then Melo should adapt his game to contribute something besides jacking shots he cannot reliably make with a bad shoulder, how can you ignore that comment and keep hammering away on the poster instead? Sounds like a perfectly sane response regarding a player known for volume shooting and sometimes forgetting the rest of his game.

As far calling Melo use of his commodity, I think the point is simple. If Melo takes his body for granted and doesn't rehabilitate himself conscientiously in an effort to fulfill his contractual obligations, then he will taking everything for granted, including fan support. If he wants to be held in high regard, then he has to behave in way that shows he is not lazy or cavalier or else he would be nothing more than a mercenary huckster, hence the commoditization comments.

Deal with the poster's points. Stop attacking the poster. It's ridiculous.

He said some stupid stuff before you were here especially about Melo's shoulder. Not a personal attack just a point of reference. It also goes a long with a general bashing of Melo from any angle he can find. Interpret it however you want just know that it isn't an attack but rather a reference to previous posts and a reminder that he has a history of being far from objective in all things Melo.

you're gonna hafta back up your accusations with literal quotes if you want splat or any other newcomer to believe what you are accusing me of. my guess is that you either won't or if you do you will be sliced and diced. bring it on sparky

Why don't you share your conditioning theory regarding Melo?

yeah i knew you'd go there. how about you start with the shoulder accusations citations (the pretty stupid stuff) since you mentioned that first... and then if you really want to please proceed to the conditioning issues (even stupider stuff). i took the day off so i'll be around, including tonight's game thread.

I dunno. Would rather just see people fight without hate, like boxers, not savages. Boxers have a drink afterwards and swap some jokes. The resentment gets weird. I see lots of it. Can't it be dropped? What's the point?

I don't like Melo either. I won't repeat why. I don't have to. You all already know what I think. But I'd like him to be healthy so he can play or if not be tradeable. What's the big deal at the end of the day? I think he's a douche, but I don't hate Melo. But at a certain point, I can't care that much about it since there's nothing I can do, so all I can hope for is he does the best he is capable of and he doesn't give me a reason to call him a quitter. I'd rather see him be a mensch and earn his dough.

It's just a game. I can't hate anyone here. I don't know how you can hate each other like you do. Maybe it's not hate, but it sure feels like it sometimes. I've seen good relationships break up, because one person won't have a fight and talk stuff out. Sometimes you need to fight things out and clear the air and move on.

I'm not one to take crap so I'll throw it back. I see DK doing the same. What do people expect? But I don't see him insulting any of you like you do him. How can you be so blind to this? Really, look at how you address him and how he addresses you. By far, the way people speak to DK is far more aggressive and disrespectful than he is to others. You don't like his opinions? So? Deal with it. It's not like he stole your identity. You don't have to like him, but you don't have to attack him either.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

if you claim that it must have affected his shot then guess what-- as i said then and repeat now: stop shooting and do something else to help the team!!!

the overarching issue at the moment is that a man's body hits its physical peak around 28 and then begins to succumb to father time-- the only things that forestall that is genetics and training regimen.

melo has treated himself as a commodity his entire career, and blithely continues to do so while rubbing our faces in it. while i do not wish ill on him-- i am a knick fan first-- if you discern something beyond concern for his well-being from me, there is ample grounds for it.

shoulders, knees, backs... these are simply body parts that belong to melo's own "self-as-commodity" model. agreed?

When you want to criticize his play his injury is minor. When you want to criticize his contract/age his injury could be career threatening. It is pretty transparent and it goes along with what you have been posting since you arrived here.

So you're saying he shouldn't be criticizing the play or contract? I'm missing your point.

I see much more personal attack going on than an actual attempt to debate or refute any points. Making DK the board's whipping boy proves nothing. He didn't even say anything that controversial in this thread, so it is just becoming a personal agenda to attack him.

I don't know what was once said about the shoulder, but if he replies that then Melo should adapt his game to contribute something besides jacking shots he cannot reliably make with a bad shoulder, how can you ignore that comment and keep hammering away on the poster instead? Sounds like a perfectly sane response regarding a player known for volume shooting and sometimes forgetting the rest of his game.

As far calling Melo use of his commodity, I think the point is simple. If Melo takes his body for granted and doesn't rehabilitate himself conscientiously in an effort to fulfill his contractual obligations, then he will taking everything for granted, including fan support. If he wants to be held in high regard, then he has to behave in way that shows he is not lazy or cavalier or else he would be nothing more than a mercenary huckster, hence the commoditization comments.

Deal with the poster's points. Stop attacking the poster. It's ridiculous.

He said some stupid stuff before you were here especially about Melo's shoulder. Not a personal attack just a point of reference. It also goes a long with a general bashing of Melo from any angle he can find. Interpret it however you want just know that it isn't an attack but rather a reference to previous posts and a reminder that he has a history of being far from objective in all things Melo.

you're gonna hafta back up your accusations with literal quotes if you want splat or any other newcomer to believe what you are accusing me of. my guess is that you either won't or if you do you will be sliced and diced. bring it on sparky

Why don't you share your conditioning theory regarding Melo?

yeah i knew you'd go there. how about you start with the shoulder accusations citations (the pretty stupid stuff) since you mentioned that first... and then if you really want to please proceed to the conditioning issues (even stupider stuff). i took the day off so i'll be around, including tonight's game thread.

I am not on a witch hunt. That conditioning stuff was pretty messed up and brings out a strong reaction from posters. Just giving perspective that you haven't been objective about Melo injuries.

sure you are. put another way, it's your can of worms so why don't you go fishing?

you have a point to make about your initial attack on me or my posts regarding his shoulder(s) last year then please proceed. as i said your post makes you seem either ignorant of anatomy or a hypocrite posting in vain.

so now you want to circumvent both issues and go straight to what you hope will be cause for newer posters seeing things your way or riling up older posters-- please proceed with that.

i will take <crickets> and <bullfrogs> and <whippoorwills> as an apology and of course i forgive you.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:yeah i knew you'd go there. how about you start with the shoulder accusations citations (the pretty stupid stuff) since you mentioned that first... and then if you really want to please proceed to the conditioning issues (even stupider stuff). i took the day off so i'll be around, including tonight's game thread.

Yeah I remember the whole shoulder thing. After an MRI revealed that he had a tear in his shoulder, you chimed in with your diagnosis as to why that actually wasn't somehow affecting him

dk7th wrote:a small left shoulder tear might refer to the labrum, which is a fibrous sheath-like covering, or it could mean something in the rotator cuff which is a complex set of muscles.

a small tear in either of these tissues in the not shooting arm really will not have a dramatic effect on your shooting motion. painkillers can go a long way to desensitizing the area and of course the compression sleeve that he was covered in only help to keep the area protected. not requiring surgery further lowers the severity people seem to be assuming. grimacing in pain is not an indication of the level of pain a player is in.

lets not lionize this guy. his shoulder is not the issue... his BBIQ, footwork, savvy, conditioning, and heart are.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=44781&page=1

cool, thanks. it was true then and true now. in fact that entire thread is worth a look, especially the posts i made subsequent to the one you cited:

"he says he felt it pop out. but when you tear something in the shoulder area it does feel like a pop and you can even hear a pop. but neither of those things is the same as an dislocation. if it was you would see a reaction that we saw from haslem a couple of seasons ago and of course that former indiana pacer great dale davis. you remember the look: the player is bent over with the arm hanging straight down.
we didn't see melo react that way so far as i can recall."

and in direct response to you yourself:

"no i disagree i saw a guy who maintained a beautiful shooting form. he does have a pretty jumpshot. nothing i saw conveyed he was somehow favoring it."

"yeah i have to agree with you. i mean i am watching on a big hd tv, see replays in slow motion and even though i saw nothing different in his shooting form i could be missing something. but i still would say that a small tear means that the structural trauma is not going to be a distraction to the degree that his shot is going to be altered. he is wearing a compression sleeve and popping anti-inflammatories. that goes a long way especially with small tears.
and we know good defenses make scorers less efficient. celtics still have a very good defense, and the pacers have a great defense. my issue is more that he did not find other ways to have an impact on the game. at any event there is no need to lionize him, as that will only lead to making excuses for his overall performance."

ironic, isn't it. we had a civil exchange then but you seem eager to pile on now.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't think he has to answer to anything. The plan is in place let's see it through. He may have to do a spin for the fans that just want empty wins.

You're right. I do think Phil J was trying to win but he had a built in secondary choice that is actually much better. I wonder what we do at DEc 15 + to deadline

Move JR!

I expect Shump and Tim Jr to go at the deadline.

Hmm- would you consider trading Shump and JR for lance Stephenson?

HELL YEAHHHHHHHH