Splat wrote:knickscity wrote:
Idk, Melo's primary job is to score and eoverall he hasnt been doing it well. It is worth a note though that him scoring that much hasnt brought much team success though. He has the lowest win% of any playing scoring that much, and thats primarily due to him not doing much else when he does. It's either score alot or score less but more rounded game. A guy making as much as he is should be able to do both...and if he does we'll win more games.Shumpert has been a pleasant surprise this season for sure....I do hope that continues.
Your explanation is as good as any as to why Melo is not the foundation of a team, but perhaps a superb addition to a team that already plays team ball. I have never gotten the fascination some have with Melo or the repeated assertions he is one of the best players in the league. All I see is a man with a single gift and not that much else. It's a wonderful talent and he is one of the best at one on one ball, but it is often lacking in efficiency. Efficient teams win championships. You don't build off inefficient scorers to accomplish that IMO.
While many here seem to remain anti-Shumpert, he has been very good statistically and is often the fighter on the floor and the leader. I don't know how this can be faulted even if I understand the reticence to proclaim him a reformed player on a major upswing. Prudence says wait for him to play a whole season before judging his value. But I like what I've seen and if he sustains this effort, he will be a quality NBA player going forward.
I noted Triple's post about Melo's feud with Tyson, hence the need to trade him. I have never gotten the vibe Shump and Melo are friendly at all. This may be a factor we can't entirely account for in terms of team chemistry. But I do know Melo very rarely looks to Shump on the court and if he doesn't start doing it, then Melo is a chump, because Shump is converting both on penetration and from outside.
All I heard about the Tyson trade at the time from the media was that it might be a signal that the Knicks were moving on from the Melo era and might start rebuilding. After reading Triple's post saying Zach Lowe said there was a rift between Tyson and Melo that caused the trade I was surprised and tried to find the article. The only thing I could find was this:
By the end, there was clear friction between players represented by Creative Artists Agency and players, like Chandler, who are not. Be careful buying the logic that losing Chandler makes it more likely Carmelo Anthony leaves New York, and that Dallas, by getting Chandler, has now positioned itself as a front-runner for Anthony. The reverse could be true for both teams.Melo is one end goal for Dallas here. The trade adds about $5 million in 2014-15 salary for Dallas, but it still has only about $34.7 million committed to seven players. Adding about $10 million for Dirk Nowitzki, a lock to re-sign at a discount, would leave Dallas with about $17 million in cap space once you pile up charges for empty roster spots.
That’s about $5 million short of what LeBron and Melo can command, and those are the sorts of targets Dallas has in mind. “LeBron is out there,” Dirk Nowitzki told me at halftime of Steve Nash’s charity soccer game in New York on Wednesday. “And I’m hearing Carmelo is looking at us.” (Note: Dirk’s primary contribution to that soccer game was somehow kicking the ball over the 30-foot fence surrounding the field a half-dozen times.)
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/let-the-nba-trading-season-begin/Lowes source for this was a Broussard article where Chris quoted a 'player' that said CAA guys were treated differently in the locker room. Not sure that constitutes a rift between Melo and Tyson that would force the Knicks to have to trade Tyson.
Lowe also had this to say about the Tyson trade:
The West is even more loaded today, after the Mavericks flipped Jose Calderon, Samuel “Alarm Clock” Dalembert, and a bundle of assets for Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton’s gun collection.Chandler is nearly 32, and he’s been banged up almost continuously for the last two seasons. He declined visibly last season in New York, playing without his usual urgency and pitch-perfect timing. Chandler has always been a wizard at helping just long enough to deter an opponent’s attack, returning to his man at just the right instant, and preventing that guy from either getting the ball or scoring. Lose a half-step and that trick becomes much tougher.
But Chandler was clearly demoralized playing for an awful New York team and in a defensive system that bizarrely tried to minimize his help responsibilities against pick-and-roll actions
This is what Phil said about moving Tyson:
"To do that we felt (it was) important to bring in some new personnel and start with some character guys that we feel can carry this forward," Jackson said on Thursday evening.
"Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help,' " Jackson said. "There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time."
"Well, we want to send a message to all of our players that we are on the move and we are making changes and we are making changes to move forward in the direction that we want to go," Jackson said. "We want to be more aggressive defensively, we want to have a certain sense of offensive alacrity, getting up and down the court and challenging defenses to get back and protect the basket."
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11142424/phil-jackson-says-made-trade-address-new-york-knicks-chemistry-issuesI think you need to consider the source especially if there isn't a link or a quote when someone posts something. Triple didn't like the Tyson trade. To date every move that I have read that he didn't like he has blamed on Melo and somehow asserts that Melo forced the move. I don't think Melo is forcing any personnel moves with Phil and I don't think he forced the Knicks to not match Lin's poison pill contract.
11/16/2014 10:43 AM