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11/14/2014  11:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I think his value will slow down once Westbrook and Durant comeback. Bledsoe got more then 50mil though and Jackson will probably look to reference Bledsoe.

When we have cap space I wonder if we could take Mayo's contract off of Miluakee's hands. Which would boost Miluakee's cap space to like 20+mil and an 8mil trade exception. While we get a one yr look at Mayo at a valued price. This would also give us good cap space for 2016-17.

The problem with us is we dont have the position where a player is in RFA--where we can match any offer. In a FA position--at times teams have to overpay. I don't want to overpay but that is the position Jim Dolan has had the team in for 15 years. If we didnt pay Melo 22mm+per he was going somewhere else. IF I see RJ keep this play up and you don't need to be an NBA talent evaluator for the Spurs to see that's Reggie Jackson is the best FA WITH the dribble in this class. He scores in volume is a very good passer defends and rebounds. He can finish though contact above the rim --he uses the dribble well to gain separation, he gets to the FL where he shoots nearly 90% and while he shoots mid 30's 3 ball with such quality FT shooting--I could see where the 3 pt number will also rise. He looks for the open man and is a quality passer who can see over most opposing players. He throws a nice lob pass he drives and kicks. He can make a basket in late shot situations from almost any angle. His per 36 minute ratio is unchanged--its likely that he will avg 22-7-4 with extended minutes. Thats a maximum player in the position we are in. RJ on this team makes us much much better--NBA playoff ready. IF we get rid of Calderon and Smith--we can rebuild the frontline though FA and the draft. This team should take a quantam leap 4 ward--BUT thtas IF we find a guy like RJ who can HELP us with the ball. We cant continue toi think were a playoff team with this guy that guy--no. If you dont have a MAJOR player on your team who handles the rock and makes plays--you go no where. Lebron Kobe Pippen MJ Parker Ginobli--thats 17 titles in the last 25 years alone.

Thinking about it though I don't know if Phil is going to invest a lot of money in the 10+mil range on a PG though. He will look to invest that money at the SG & PF/C spots.

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11/14/2014  11:42 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I think his value will slow down once Westbrook and Durant comeback. Bledsoe got more then 50mil though and Jackson will probably look to reference Bledsoe.

When we have cap space I wonder if we could take Mayo's contract off of Miluakee's hands. Which would boost Miluakee's cap space to like 20+mil and an 8mil trade exception. While we get a one yr look at Mayo at a valued price. This would also give us good cap space for 2016-17.

The problem with us is we dont have the position where a player is in RFA--where we can match any offer. In a FA position--at times teams have to overpay. I don't want to overpay but that is the position Jim Dolan has had the team in for 15 years. If we didnt pay Melo 22mm+per he was going somewhere else. IF I see RJ keep this play up and you don't need to be an NBA talent evaluator for the Spurs to see that's Reggie Jackson is the best FA WITH the dribble in this class. He scores in volume is a very good passer defends and rebounds. He can finish though contact above the rim --he uses the dribble well to gain separation, he gets to the FL where he shoots nearly 90% and while he shoots mid 30's 3 ball with such quality FT shooting--I could see where the 3 pt number will also rise. He looks for the open man and is a quality passer who can see over most opposing players. He throws a nice lob pass he drives and kicks. He can make a basket in late shot situations from almost any angle. His per 36 minute ratio is unchanged--its likely that he will avg 22-7-4 with extended minutes. Thats a maximum player in the position we are in. RJ on this team makes us much much better--NBA playoff ready. IF we get rid of Calderon and Smith--we can rebuild the frontline though FA and the draft. This team should take a quantam leap 4 ward--BUT thtas IF we find a guy like RJ who can HELP us with the ball. We cant continue toi think were a playoff team with this guy that guy--no. If you dont have a MAJOR player on your team who handles the rock and makes plays--you go no where. Lebron Kobe Pippen MJ Parker Ginobli--thats 17 titles in the last 25 years alone.

Thinking about it though I don't know if Phil is going to invest a lot of money in the 10+mil range on a PG though. He will look to invest that money at the SG & PF/C spots.

The league has changed since Phil's hayday. You got to have an elite PG to be a contender. I'm not sure if Reggie is that guy but the pickings are slim, so we might need to roll the dice on him.

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11/15/2014  12:00 AM
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newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I think his value will slow down once Westbrook and Durant comeback. Bledsoe got more then 50mil though and Jackson will probably look to reference Bledsoe.

When we have cap space I wonder if we could take Mayo's contract off of Miluakee's hands. Which would boost Miluakee's cap space to like 20+mil and an 8mil trade exception. While we get a one yr look at Mayo at a valued price. This would also give us good cap space for 2016-17.

The problem with us is we dont have the position where a player is in RFA--where we can match any offer. In a FA position--at times teams have to overpay. I don't want to overpay but that is the position Jim Dolan has had the team in for 15 years. If we didnt pay Melo 22mm+per he was going somewhere else. IF I see RJ keep this play up and you don't need to be an NBA talent evaluator for the Spurs to see that's Reggie Jackson is the best FA WITH the dribble in this class. He scores in volume is a very good passer defends and rebounds. He can finish though contact above the rim --he uses the dribble well to gain separation, he gets to the FL where he shoots nearly 90% and while he shoots mid 30's 3 ball with such quality FT shooting--I could see where the 3 pt number will also rise. He looks for the open man and is a quality passer who can see over most opposing players. He throws a nice lob pass he drives and kicks. He can make a basket in late shot situations from almost any angle. His per 36 minute ratio is unchanged--its likely that he will avg 22-7-4 with extended minutes. Thats a maximum player in the position we are in. RJ on this team makes us much much better--NBA playoff ready. IF we get rid of Calderon and Smith--we can rebuild the frontline though FA and the draft. This team should take a quantam leap 4 ward--BUT thtas IF we find a guy like RJ who can HELP us with the ball. We cant continue toi think were a playoff team with this guy that guy--no. If you dont have a MAJOR player on your team who handles the rock and makes plays--you go no where. Lebron Kobe Pippen MJ Parker Ginobli--thats 17 titles in the last 25 years alone.

Thinking about it though I don't know if Phil is going to invest a lot of money in the 10+mil range on a PG though. He will look to invest that money at the SG & PF/C spots.

The league has changed since Phil's hayday. You got to have an elite PG to be a contender. I'm not sure if Reggie is that guy but the pickings are slim, so we might need to roll the dice on him.

Really it doesn't matter if it comes from the PG, SG, or SF position just one of your guards or wings need to to be able to create for others consistently with there ability to handle and penetrate and post &/or the bigs need to be able to create out of the post which would alleviate the PG duties. Phil didn't need that in Chi because he had Pippen,Toni, and Jordan as well. Who would combine for 15+ ast between them. With the Lakers he had Kobe, and other ball movers like Walton, Odom, then Gasol who would combine for around 15 ast between them.

Phil is probably going to want a guard either PG or SG who can handle, with the potential to post. While the other guard can defend and knock down 3s.

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11/15/2014  1:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2014  1:07 AM
Jackson is a lot like Collison, but a little better. He plays with an attitude which I like, but I would not pay him more then $7 million per. He is not a pure PG. He is much more a SG than a PG. Most of all, he doesn't fit the Phil type of players. That said, I would not acquire him, because we have enough pieces on this roster that don't fit.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/15/2014  9:35 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:Jackson is a lot like Collison, but a little better. He plays with an attitude which I like, but I would not pay him more then $7 million per. He is not a pure PG. He is much more a SG than a PG. Most of all, he doesn't fit the Phil type of players. That said, I would not acquire him, because we have enough pieces on this roster that don't fit.

The knicks don't have a choice in fa with so many teams having c ap space and new moneyextending the tax line. If u want a player in fa u have to pay up jackson will get no less than 10 mm but most likely comparable to bledsoe all the way to max depending on his next 25 games or so

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11/15/2014  10:42 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I think his value will slow down once Westbrook and Durant comeback. Bledsoe got more then 50mil though and Jackson will probably look to reference Bledsoe.

When we have cap space I wonder if we could take Mayo's contract off of Miluakee's hands. Which would boost Miluakee's cap space to like 20+mil and an 8mil trade exception. While we get a one yr look at Mayo at a valued price. This would also give us good cap space for 2016-17.

The problem with us is we dont have the position where a player is in RFA--where we can match any offer. In a FA position--at times teams have to overpay. I don't want to overpay but that is the position Jim Dolan has had the team in for 15 years. If we didnt pay Melo 22mm+per he was going somewhere else. IF I see RJ keep this play up and you don't need to be an NBA talent evaluator for the Spurs to see that's Reggie Jackson is the best FA WITH the dribble in this class. He scores in volume is a very good passer defends and rebounds. He can finish though contact above the rim --he uses the dribble well to gain separation, he gets to the FL where he shoots nearly 90% and while he shoots mid 30's 3 ball with such quality FT shooting--I could see where the 3 pt number will also rise. He looks for the open man and is a quality passer who can see over most opposing players. He throws a nice lob pass he drives and kicks. He can make a basket in late shot situations from almost any angle. His per 36 minute ratio is unchanged--its likely that he will avg 22-7-4 with extended minutes. Thats a maximum player in the position we are in. RJ on this team makes us much much better--NBA playoff ready. IF we get rid of Calderon and Smith--we can rebuild the frontline though FA and the draft. This team should take a quantam leap 4 ward--BUT thtas IF we find a guy like RJ who can HELP us with the ball. We cant continue toi think were a playoff team with this guy that guy--no. If you dont have a MAJOR player on your team who handles the rock and makes plays--you go no where. Lebron Kobe Pippen MJ Parker Ginobli--thats 17 titles in the last 25 years alone.

Thinking about it though I don't know if Phil is going to invest a lot of money in the 10+mil range on a PG though. He will look to invest that money at the SG & PF/C spots.

The league has changed since Phil's hayday. You got to have an elite PG to be a contender. I'm not sure if Reggie is that guy but the pickings are slim, so we might need to roll the dice on him.

That and Reggie Jackson is a combo guard capable of playing 1 and 2 imo.

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11/15/2014  11:37 AM
H1AND1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I think his value will slow down once Westbrook and Durant comeback. Bledsoe got more then 50mil though and Jackson will probably look to reference Bledsoe.

When we have cap space I wonder if we could take Mayo's contract off of Miluakee's hands. Which would boost Miluakee's cap space to like 20+mil and an 8mil trade exception. While we get a one yr look at Mayo at a valued price. This would also give us good cap space for 2016-17.

The problem with us is we dont have the position where a player is in RFA--where we can match any offer. In a FA position--at times teams have to overpay. I don't want to overpay but that is the position Jim Dolan has had the team in for 15 years. If we didnt pay Melo 22mm+per he was going somewhere else. IF I see RJ keep this play up and you don't need to be an NBA talent evaluator for the Spurs to see that's Reggie Jackson is the best FA WITH the dribble in this class. He scores in volume is a very good passer defends and rebounds. He can finish though contact above the rim --he uses the dribble well to gain separation, he gets to the FL where he shoots nearly 90% and while he shoots mid 30's 3 ball with such quality FT shooting--I could see where the 3 pt number will also rise. He looks for the open man and is a quality passer who can see over most opposing players. He throws a nice lob pass he drives and kicks. He can make a basket in late shot situations from almost any angle. His per 36 minute ratio is unchanged--its likely that he will avg 22-7-4 with extended minutes. Thats a maximum player in the position we are in. RJ on this team makes us much much better--NBA playoff ready. IF we get rid of Calderon and Smith--we can rebuild the frontline though FA and the draft. This team should take a quantam leap 4 ward--BUT thtas IF we find a guy like RJ who can HELP us with the ball. We cant continue toi think were a playoff team with this guy that guy--no. If you dont have a MAJOR player on your team who handles the rock and makes plays--you go no where. Lebron Kobe Pippen MJ Parker Ginobli--thats 17 titles in the last 25 years alone.

Thinking about it though I don't know if Phil is going to invest a lot of money in the 10+mil range on a PG though. He will look to invest that money at the SG & PF/C spots.

The league has changed since Phil's hayday. You got to have an elite PG to be a contender. I'm not sure if Reggie is that guy but the pickings are slim, so we might need to roll the dice on him.

That and Reggie Jackson is a combo guard capable of playing 1 and 2 imo.

To be fair, the triangle has primarily operated with combo guards so he'd be right up Phil's alley. I don't think they've ever had a combo guard play a prominent role for them so it should be interesting to see how they integrate Jackson....if they get him.

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11/15/2014  12:21 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I think his value will slow down once Westbrook and Durant comeback. Bledsoe got more then 50mil though and Jackson will probably look to reference Bledsoe.

When we have cap space I wonder if we could take Mayo's contract off of Miluakee's hands. Which would boost Miluakee's cap space to like 20+mil and an 8mil trade exception. While we get a one yr look at Mayo at a valued price. This would also give us good cap space for 2016-17.

The problem with us is we dont have the position where a player is in RFA--where we can match any offer. In a FA position--at times teams have to overpay. I don't want to overpay but that is the position Jim Dolan has had the team in for 15 years. If we didnt pay Melo 22mm+per he was going somewhere else. IF I see RJ keep this play up and you don't need to be an NBA talent evaluator for the Spurs to see that's Reggie Jackson is the best FA WITH the dribble in this class. He scores in volume is a very good passer defends and rebounds. He can finish though contact above the rim --he uses the dribble well to gain separation, he gets to the FL where he shoots nearly 90% and while he shoots mid 30's 3 ball with such quality FT shooting--I could see where the 3 pt number will also rise. He looks for the open man and is a quality passer who can see over most opposing players. He throws a nice lob pass he drives and kicks. He can make a basket in late shot situations from almost any angle. His per 36 minute ratio is unchanged--its likely that he will avg 22-7-4 with extended minutes. Thats a maximum player in the position we are in. RJ on this team makes us much much better--NBA playoff ready. IF we get rid of Calderon and Smith--we can rebuild the frontline though FA and the draft. This team should take a quantam leap 4 ward--BUT thtas IF we find a guy like RJ who can HELP us with the ball. We cant continue toi think were a playoff team with this guy that guy--no. If you dont have a MAJOR player on your team who handles the rock and makes plays--you go no where. Lebron Kobe Pippen MJ Parker Ginobli--thats 17 titles in the last 25 years alone.

Thinking about it though I don't know if Phil is going to invest a lot of money in the 10+mil range on a PG though. He will look to invest that money at the SG & PF/C spots.

The league has changed since Phil's hayday. You got to have an elite PG to be a contender. I'm not sure if Reggie is that guy but the pickings are slim, so we might need to roll the dice on him.

That and Reggie Jackson is a combo guard capable of playing 1 and 2 imo.

To be fair, the triangle has primarily operated with combo guards so he'd be right up Phil's alley. I don't think they've ever had a combo guard play a prominent role for them so it should be interesting to see how they integrate Jackson....if they get him.

I guess Jordan could be considered a combo guard!

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11/15/2014  12:56 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I think his value will slow down once Westbrook and Durant comeback. Bledsoe got more then 50mil though and Jackson will probably look to reference Bledsoe.

When we have cap space I wonder if we could take Mayo's contract off of Miluakee's hands. Which would boost Miluakee's cap space to like 20+mil and an 8mil trade exception. While we get a one yr look at Mayo at a valued price. This would also give us good cap space for 2016-17.

The problem with us is we dont have the position where a player is in RFA--where we can match any offer. In a FA position--at times teams have to overpay. I don't want to overpay but that is the position Jim Dolan has had the team in for 15 years. If we didnt pay Melo 22mm+per he was going somewhere else. IF I see RJ keep this play up and you don't need to be an NBA talent evaluator for the Spurs to see that's Reggie Jackson is the best FA WITH the dribble in this class. He scores in volume is a very good passer defends and rebounds. He can finish though contact above the rim --he uses the dribble well to gain separation, he gets to the FL where he shoots nearly 90% and while he shoots mid 30's 3 ball with such quality FT shooting--I could see where the 3 pt number will also rise. He looks for the open man and is a quality passer who can see over most opposing players. He throws a nice lob pass he drives and kicks. He can make a basket in late shot situations from almost any angle. His per 36 minute ratio is unchanged--its likely that he will avg 22-7-4 with extended minutes. Thats a maximum player in the position we are in. RJ on this team makes us much much better--NBA playoff ready. IF we get rid of Calderon and Smith--we can rebuild the frontline though FA and the draft. This team should take a quantam leap 4 ward--BUT thtas IF we find a guy like RJ who can HELP us with the ball. We cant continue toi think were a playoff team with this guy that guy--no. If you dont have a MAJOR player on your team who handles the rock and makes plays--you go no where. Lebron Kobe Pippen MJ Parker Ginobli--thats 17 titles in the last 25 years alone.

Thinking about it though I don't know if Phil is going to invest a lot of money in the 10+mil range on a PG though. He will look to invest that money at the SG & PF/C spots.

The league has changed since Phil's hayday. You got to have an elite PG to be a contender. I'm not sure if Reggie is that guy but the pickings are slim, so we might need to roll the dice on him.

That and Reggie Jackson is a combo guard capable of playing 1 and 2 imo.

To be fair, the triangle has primarily operated with combo guards so he'd be right up Phil's alley. I don't think they've ever had a combo guard play a prominent role for them so it should be interesting to see how they integrate Jackson....if they get him.

I guess Jordan could be considered a combo guard!

Truth. Both he and Kobe. All we need to do is get this generation's version of them and we'd be alright.

Phil has to do what he has to do to shed salary for a 2nd max contract

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