Bonn1997 wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:F500ONE wrote:Solace wrote:I like Tyson, but we weren't going anywhere with him and Ray Felton. This is obviously a rebuild and I'm happy if we suck and actually have our pick for a change.
Couldn't we do the same with them here
Tyson is an expiring and Felton only had 1 more yr left
Absolutely. However, Tyson didn't want to actually put forth an effort in an Knick uniform (or at least it certainly appeared that way). Calderon should be a big improvement over Felton. Shame he got hurt, but let's give it a chance. Him starts, and Larkin off the bench isn't terrible. If Bargs can actually play (big if) then Sam can play 20 min or less, which is more what he should be playing. Still pretty awful, but better than Tyson not caring and Felton's corpse.
Have you paid attention to Tyson this year? It's a contract year and he definitely cares. It's not saying much but he's playing better than anyone wearing a Knicks' uniform right now.
I have, but since the regular season in 2012-2013, he has been a no-show for the Knicks. Of course he cares because of a contract year, but the roster the Jackson inherited was TERRIBLE! He turned 1 piece into 3 usable players plus picks. This year alone those 3 guys should contribute more than 1 player. They didn't have an alternative at point prior to this trade. It wasn't a Sam for Tyson deal.
I'm not going to get into an argument about calling his all-star season a no-show. But you seem to be backward looking rather than forward looking. You keep a player for the 2014-15 season based on how you think he'll perform in 2014-15. You don't seem surprised that he's averaging a double-double. You're basically admitting it was obvious his 2013-14 season wasn't indicative of what we'd get in 2014-15 but then you use 2013-14 to justify trading him before the 2014-15 season.
I'm definitely not seeing all these usable players you're referring to. Maybe the old man PG will help but even when younger he always was in the negative in many areas statistically.
If it makes you feel better to misinterpret what I write that is on you. I didn't say his all-star season was a no-show. I said the playoffs were a no-show (indisputable fact). He got destroyed in those playoffs. Roy Hibbert put HOF numbers up on him in the Pacers series. What was our alternative in the backcourt for this season? Also, Tyson's attitude was very poor last year and in the playoffs when we lost to the Pacers. Perhaps they felt it was better to turn the corner and gamble on some younger talent and a couple plug-ins now. Seems to be the consensus that we were going nowhere fast, so why does this matter so much to the Tyson obsessed people on here? I still find it doubtful he would have the same numbers here. Let's pump the brakes a lil on the Tyson love if possible.
Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. You meant *after* the 2012-13 regular season, he was a no show?
I think it's safer just to say with Dolan here we're going nowhere fast though
Yea, I was extremely disappointed in his playoff effort in 2012-2013 and general attitude. He was blaming other when Hibbert was eating him alive. Coming here with his rep I expected better and that spoke volumes. He took it to the next level last year, so I was done with him personally.
I think we have to give Phil a chance to turn the roster around. The roster he inherited was brutal and it was an impossible task to ask him to turn it around in 1 year. I had higher hopes coming into the year. I am realizing that I was unrealistic. Begging for the return of Calderon and Bargs is not good.
