mreinman wrote:

Dagger wrote:

mreinman wrote:THJ has 1 rebound this season!!!

He hasn't played many minutes, be objective. Yes his rebounding is piss poor, but I'm not sure he's played 40 min yet...

Objective?

1 rebound in 71 minutes.

That is not piss poor, its almost impossible. One must see a rebound and run like the wind as if a tornado was chasing you.

That's still only two big games worth of playing time. I really don't feel it's as big an issue as you're making it out to be yet. If 10 games in he only has two rebounds then yes that's a very serious problem.

If we wants to play a similar way, a GUNNER, then he is going to have to master the art of taking poor shots and being able to penetrate/get fouled as a counter
Basically learn to play to a similar philosophy of Jamal Crawford, who actually mixes up shooting 3pters and penetrate/facilitating, while being the all time career in 3pt plays with a foul, makinga 4 point plays

JR Smith's problem is he knows he can always use the step back/off balance shot to get his shot off
However, as confident as he may be with that shot, it is a horrible shot and kills chemistry when he misses
It adds to his STREAKY, inconsistent, and inefficient plays
Smith is a very good shooter and can be very efficient if he would just shoot when he gets his feet squared, and learn to mix it up
He also should learn to move without the basketball, using screens like RIP/Miller did, and to stop taking poor shots
Unlike the other shooters, he actually has the skills to handle the ball/facilitate, however, he has loss a step do to the knee surgery and his handle should not be used too much because of his low IQ
Being almost 30, he has been playing this way and was rewarded for it, coming out straight from HS and playing this way
It is probably unlikely for him to change his entire game but he can limit the poor shot selection

Tim Hardway JR is still young, so even though he has had these poor habits for his entire career (his high school through college), it isn't impossible to correct
Tim Hardaway JR needs to take a note out of RIP/Reggie Miller/ Bellineli, MOVING WITHOUT the ball, utilizing screens

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds/year/2014/count/241

Guess who was 4 spots before him? Jose Calderon

So ... a starting back court of Calderon and THJ would probably give us the worst rebounding back court in the history of the NBA!

So excited that we are tanking.

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:all that means is Timmy can produce on a tight leash. So keep the leash tight.

No it means THJR can produce if you

Allow him the same freedom as others in rotation last year

Going from 10min 1 game to 25min+ the next game

Is a horrific recipe to maximize the talents of a player

With that logic why not play Shump at 2 guard tonight

Then switch him back to point guard our next 2gms

Then back to 2 guard

Sorry I missed this post. it seems Shumpert is able to play well no matter what position he is playing as he's played pg sg and sf already in this early season.

Timmy plays well in limited minutes because he provides little to zero in other areas besides scoring.

Shumpert has played well 3 positions for 6gms

Not for his entire playing career

THJR plays well given the lane he's assigned to play

Since day 1 in this league

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:all that means is Timmy can produce on a tight leash. So keep the leash tight.

No it means THJR can produce if you

Allow him the same freedom as others in rotation last year

Going from 10min 1 game to 25min+ the next game

Is a horrific recipe to maximize the talents of a player

With that logic why not play Shump at 2 guard tonight

Then switch him back to point guard our next 2gms

Then back to 2 guard

Sorry I missed this post. it seems Shumpert is able to play well no matter what position he is playing as he's played pg sg and sf already in this early season.

Timmy plays well in limited minutes because he provides little to zero in other areas besides scoring.

Shumpert has played well 3 positions for 6gms

Not for his entire playing career

THJR plays well given the lane he's assigned to play

Since day 1 in this league

The data disagrees with you, so does the eye test. Despite Shumpert scoring a single point he's been a postive player his entire career with the Knicks. Timmy on the other hand only scores sometimes and does nothing else...thus is a negative impact player.

You could even argue that Shumpert has had several good playoff moments, Timmy...not yet.

Start here and browse away....

http://www.82games.com/1314/13NYK6.HTM

Yeah I'm familair with 82games

One of the more misleading references to site

Go look at the 5 man units and you'll

See Felton rated high

Had Shumpert been traded we would see THJR

In a different light of ability good or bad

We don't know what he truly is because he's playing behind

Shump and J.R. which is clouding accurate judgement

I'm not certain myself but Shumpert has

And always will be overrated

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:all that means is Timmy can produce on a tight leash. So keep the leash tight.

No it means THJR can produce if you

Allow him the same freedom as others in rotation last year

Going from 10min 1 game to 25min+ the next game

Is a horrific recipe to maximize the talents of a player

With that logic why not play Shump at 2 guard tonight

Then switch him back to point guard our next 2gms

Then back to 2 guard

Sorry I missed this post. it seems Shumpert is able to play well no matter what position he is playing as he's played pg sg and sf already in this early season.

Timmy plays well in limited minutes because he provides little to zero in other areas besides scoring.

Shumpert has played well 3 positions for 6gms

Not for his entire playing career

THJR plays well given the lane he's assigned to play

Since day 1 in this league

The data disagrees with you, so does the eye test. Despite Shumpert scoring a single point he's been a postive player his entire career with the Knicks. Timmy on the other hand only scores sometimes and does nothing else...thus is a negative impact player.

You could even argue that Shumpert has had several good playoff moments, Timmy...not yet.

Start here and browse away....

http://www.82games.com/1314/13NYK6.HTM

Yeah I'm familair with 82games

One of the more misleading references to site

Go look at the 5 man units and you'll

See Felton rated high

Had Shumpert been traded we would see THJR

In a different light of ability good or bad

We don't know what he truly is because he's playing behind

Shump and J.R. which is clouding accurate judgement

I'm not certain myself but Shumpert has

And always will be overrated

The thing is just about all of the lineups Shumpert was in were the top lineups...you cant say that about Timmy, except the lineup he's in with Shumpert. felton isnt rated high in any indivdual metrics while Shumpert is, and now he's given the chance to do things with the basketball, something he hasnt been able to his entire career so far.

Stating Timmy hasnt had a shot is just not true...he's had plenty....all he does someof the time is score.

That would be grossly in accurate

Timmy hasn't been given the same oppo

How many games has Timmy started?

The few games he has started what are his numbers compared to bench numbers

Timmy will not be the starting SF and

He hasn't been given the chance to start at the 2

Now this year you could justify he shouldn't

Shump has played well to his credit

But last year Shump played like pure trash

Timmy still never started

I do know when 40yr old Kidd started in place of Shumpert

The team won 54gms with the majority of his absence

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:all that means is Timmy can produce on a tight leash. So keep the leash tight.

No it means THJR can produce if you

Allow him the same freedom as others in rotation last year

Going from 10min 1 game to 25min+ the next game

Is a horrific recipe to maximize the talents of a player

With that logic why not play Shump at 2 guard tonight

Then switch him back to point guard our next 2gms

Then back to 2 guard

Sorry I missed this post. it seems Shumpert is able to play well no matter what position he is playing as he's played pg sg and sf already in this early season.

Timmy plays well in limited minutes because he provides little to zero in other areas besides scoring.

Shumpert has played well 3 positions for 6gms

Not for his entire playing career

THJR plays well given the lane he's assigned to play

Since day 1 in this league

The data disagrees with you, so does the eye test. Despite Shumpert scoring a single point he's been a postive player his entire career with the Knicks. Timmy on the other hand only scores sometimes and does nothing else...thus is a negative impact player.

You could even argue that Shumpert has had several good playoff moments, Timmy...not yet.

Start here and browse away....

http://www.82games.com/1314/13NYK6.HTM

Yeah I'm familair with 82games

One of the more misleading references to site

Go look at the 5 man units and you'll

See Felton rated high

Had Shumpert been traded we would see THJR

In a different light of ability good or bad

We don't know what he truly is because he's playing behind

Shump and J.R. which is clouding accurate judgement

I'm not certain myself but Shumpert has

And always will be overrated

The thing is just about all of the lineups Shumpert was in were the top lineups...you cant say that about Timmy, except the lineup he's in with Shumpert. felton isnt rated high in any indivdual metrics while Shumpert is, and now he's given the chance to do things with the basketball, something he hasnt been able to his entire career so far.

Stating Timmy hasnt had a shot is just not true...he's had plenty....all he does someof the time is score.

That would be grossly in accurate

Timmy hasn't been given the same oppo

How many games has Timmy started?

The few games he has started what are his numbers compared to bench numbers

Timmy will not be the starting SF and

He hasn't been given the chance to start at the 2

Now this year you could justify he shouldn't

Shump has played well to his credit

But last year Shump played like pure trash

Timmy still never started

I do know when 40yr old Kidd started in place of Shumpert

The team won 54gms with the majority of his absence

Kidd didnt start in the place of Shumpert, when Shumpert came back they both started just about immediately. Timmy doesnt start because he cant dominate bench players, doesnt help rebound, defend or pass the basketball. He isnt even a better offensive player than the bum JR. Shumpert at this stage is just more complete.

Speaking of...once again, data disagrees....

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2014/4/11/5579050/iman-shumpert-knicks-steals-turnovers