I still get very ticked off at certain parts of his game and that will not change.

I also disagree with the poster who stated that he did not get any traffic rebounds last game. He got many really good tough rebounds.

He may not be able to play defense so that it what it is but he certainly can learn that he does not have to shoot every time he gets the ball in the post. He (I think) can still make that pass that nobody wants him to make. He can't put the ball on the floor and go 1 on 3 and expect to not lose the ball or get off a good shot. Sometimes you just have to make the pass no matter how much you hate to. That is not Amare just being dumb, its Amare being selfish. This is a team game ... all the greats no matter how well they could score would also pass the ball when collapsed upon.

To one posters point, he is a gonner so why focus on the negative? Maybe ... I just look at each game by itself. When I watch the game and see such play it pisses me off, and thats not just with our players but any selfish ball hog who believes that there cannot be a better shot than his own.

Amare did make one of these passes against cleveland and I stood up and cheered. No reason that he can't do more of that.

The same for Melo.

TripleThreat wrote:

mreinman wrote:To one posters point, he is a gonner so why focus on the negative?

Every minute that STAT plays is a form of opportunity cost.

STAT is the worst kind of compromise. He helps you just enough to think he's compensating for the drawbacks he brings to the court. This is how teams end up on the league's treadmill of death, giving minutes to a guy like STAT. Never bad enough to get a juicy pick at the top of the draft to help, never good enough to contend, always sitting on the fringe of that last playoff spot.

The problem is he represents the team's limbo situation.

Either

A) Try to develop your young players, guys who might actually have a future here, and eat the growing pains that come with it. Just tank.

or

B) Stay on the path towards the treadmill of slow death for NBA teams.

His minutes and usage come at a cost to the Knicks other players.

The benefit of a "new coach" is you aren't beholden to trying to save your job that season by trying to stretch out no future for the team veterans and roster churn to juice out a few more wins. Playing STAT is a move for a coach trying to save his job, not a new coach meant to develop for the future.

The real "negative" is this isn't even a full punt year. It's like half a punt. A half hearted punt. The Knicks can't even get punting a lost season down right.... Sigh.

I would rather see the Knicks LOSE but give their young guys some burn and try to develop them and get guys on the court at least trying to play the RIGHT WAY within the scope of the system

Than pickup a few more meaningless treadmill wins to highlight a player that has no future for the team and compromises the general morale of what the team is trying to achieve.

There is nothing worse that LOSING and doing so by playing like LOSERS do. With no gain, even incremental, in those brutal losses.

If you are going to eat LOSSES, then go down swinging playing the RIGHT WAY, the way WINNERS PLAY, even if they aren't winning right now.

Knicks win, hate melo and amare, Knicks lose hate melo and amare.

Until they win a title this year, opinions won't be swayed.

It's a shame. Off this board me and my friends are ecstatic!!

But in this internet fake GM fantasy sports world, some just would rather hate.

Phil and fish are giving us a reason to celebrate. Amare is playing well.

It's time to give props not only for coming to NYC in the first place and playing at an all star level, but putting in the work this year to give us a winning record.

Keep the haterade flowing, it helps me fill my ignore backlog and balances out nixluva. :-)

I just don't believe there's enough red wine on the planet to keep him healthy for any amount of time at 32mpg. Especially if he's actually going to spend some stretches playing meaningful defense against quality bigs. Only a matter of time before something breaks, and the develop the yoot crowd will get their wish anyway.

jrodmc wrote:One poster mentioned how we're not seeing the patented Stat kicks the ball out of bounds move this season. That alone is worth putting him on the court as opposed to "developing our yoots and tanking". This is a business, isn't it? We only pay people like ECurry to not play. (Hi Bargs!) If he can stay healthy, he'll continue to get us buckets instead of learing curve bricks.

I just don't believe there's enough red wine on the planet to keep him healthy for any amount of time at 32mpg. Especially if he's actually going to spend some stretches playing meaningful defense against quality bigs. Only a matter of time before something breaks, and the develop the yoot crowd will get their wish anyway.

Your not asking Amare to carry a team, your not asking him to play 30+ minutes, if you use him correctly(which fisher has done thus far) he will be very instrumental in the success of the team. The role that he's required to fill weather starting or coming off the bench, is not the same roll he had when he first got here.

Some of you want this guy to be first team all NBA, but the team was not build around amare, he's an important role player at this juncture of his career. His main responsibility is to score and rebound, just like acy and samual's main goal is to rebound and defend, not drop 20 pts,

babyKnicks wrote:He dove for a ball. Did the dirty work. This thread is getting comical. I used to come for knowledge, now this board is pure fox news entertainment.

Knicks win, hate melo and amare, Knicks lose hate melo and amare.

Until they win a title this year, opinions won't be swayed.

It's a shame. Off this board me and my friends are ecstatic!!

But in this internet fake GM fantasy sports world, some just would rather hate.

Phil and fish are giving us a reason to celebrate. Amare is playing well.

It's time to give props not only for coming to NYC in the first place and playing at an all star level, but putting in the work this year to give us a winning record.

Keep the haterade flowing, it helps me fill my ignore backlog and balances out nixluva. :-)

I told yall alot that hater bull****. Amare doesn't rebound or play defense. He can't pass or play ball he can score yes. But don't lie and make stuff up about him being anything but what I just said. He is the reason we have had a ****ty 4 years. No need to restate history.

Guys that hate Melo deserve it because Melo had done everything asked of him and more. Amare is not that guy. Showing up in shape is not impressive for a pro in any sport. Dude can't play his position. You luke his scoring and his wine baths fine. But don't lie just because i done want to jerk of to Amare. I'm not making stuff up. I give credit when it is due.

EnySpree wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:He dove for a ball. Did the dirty work. This thread is getting comical. I used to come for knowledge, now this board is pure fox news entertainment.

Knicks win, hate melo and amare, Knicks lose hate melo and amare.

Until they win a title this year, opinions won't be swayed.

It's a shame. Off this board me and my friends are ecstatic!!

But in this internet fake GM fantasy sports world, some just would rather hate.

Phil and fish are giving us a reason to celebrate. Amare is playing well.

It's time to give props not only for coming to NYC in the first place and playing at an all star level, but putting in the work this year to give us a winning record.

Keep the haterade flowing, it helps me fill my ignore backlog and balances out nixluva. :-)

I told yall alot that hater bull****. Amare doesn't rebound or play defense. He can't pass or play ball he can score yes. But don't lie and make stuff up about him being anything but what I just said. He is the reason we have had a ****ty 4 years. No need to restate history.

Guys that hate Melo deserve it because Melo had done everything asked of him and more. Amare is not that guy. Showing up in shape is not impressive for a pro in any sport. Dude can't play his position. You luke his scoring and his wine baths fine. But don't lie just because i done want to jerk of to Amare. I'm not making stuff up. I give credit when it is due.

But instead you blow your load all over a wear appreciation thread when he puts up 5 meaningful minutes against lebron.

come on man...you are blinded by the hate...give props...that's all...props.

props
präps / noun
respect or credit due to a person.

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:He dove for a ball. Did the dirty work. This thread is getting comical. I used to come for knowledge, now this board is pure fox news entertainment.

Knicks win, hate melo and amare, Knicks lose hate melo and amare.

Until they win a title this year, opinions won't be swayed.

It's a shame. Off this board me and my friends are ecstatic!!

But in this internet fake GM fantasy sports world, some just would rather hate.

Phil and fish are giving us a reason to celebrate. Amare is playing well.

It's time to give props not only for coming to NYC in the first place and playing at an all star level, but putting in the work this year to give us a winning record.

Keep the haterade flowing, it helps me fill my ignore backlog and balances out nixluva. :-)

I told yall alot that hater bull****. Amare doesn't rebound or play defense. He can't pass or play ball he can score yes. But don't lie and make stuff up about him being anything but what I just said. He is the reason we have had a ****ty 4 years. No need to restate history.

Guys that hate Melo deserve it because Melo had done everything asked of him and more. Amare is not that guy. Showing up in shape is not impressive for a pro in any sport. Dude can't play his position. You luke his scoring and his wine baths fine. But don't lie just because i done want to jerk of to Amare. I'm not making stuff up. I give credit when it is due.

You will have an issue no matter what big man we bring in.

I use to here the same thing about EWING not passing the ball, or Ewing shooting to many jumpers, or Ewing is to slow or ewings hands were to small and he bobble to man passes...Here we had a first ballot HOF, and people still complained about what he didn't do.

You just compared 2014 amare to Ewing, a HOF top 50 player.

Holy guacomole

fishmike wrote:

Dagger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:He dove for a ball. Did the dirty work. This thread is getting comical. I used to come for knowledge, now this board is pure fox news entertainment.

Knicks win, hate melo and amare, Knicks lose hate melo and amare.

Until they win a title this year, opinions won't be swayed.

It's a shame. Off this board me and my friends are ecstatic!!

But in this internet fake GM fantasy sports world, some just would rather hate.

Phil and fish are giving us a reason to celebrate. Amare is playing well.

It's time to give props not only for coming to NYC in the first place and playing at an all star level, but putting in the work this year to give us a winning record.

Keep the haterade flowing, it helps me fill my ignore backlog and balances out nixluva. :-)

I told yall alot that hater bull****. Amare doesn't rebound or play defense. He can't pass or play ball he can score yes. But don't lie and make stuff up about him being anything but what I just said. He is the reason we have had a ****ty 4 years. No need to restate history.

Guys that hate Melo deserve it because Melo had done everything asked of him and more. Amare is not that guy. Showing up in shape is not impressive for a pro in any sport. Dude can't play his position. You luke his scoring and his wine baths fine. But don't lie just because i done want to jerk of to Amare. I'm not making stuff up. I give credit when it is due.

You will have an issue no matter what big man we bring in.

I use to here the same thing about EWING not passing the ball, or Ewing shooting to many jumpers, or Ewing is to slow or ewings hands were to small and he bobble to man passes...Here we had a first ballot HOF, and people still complained about what he didn't do.

You just compared 2014 amare to Ewing, a HOF top 50 player.

Holy guacomole

I believe he only compared the complaints, not the player.

Also... when the Pope goes to Mexico whats he eat?

Holy guacomole

Yeah, but the biggest problem amare detractors like myself have with his game is his defense. That was not an issue with Ewing who played his heart out on both sides, that's why the complaints aren't similar.

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:He dove for a ball. Did the dirty work. This thread is getting comical. I used to come for knowledge, now this board is pure fox news entertainment.

Knicks win, hate melo and amare, Knicks lose hate melo and amare.

Until they win a title this year, opinions won't be swayed.

It's a shame. Off this board me and my friends are ecstatic!!

But in this internet fake GM fantasy sports world, some just would rather hate.

Phil and fish are giving us a reason to celebrate. Amare is playing well.

It's time to give props not only for coming to NYC in the first place and playing at an all star level, but putting in the work this year to give us a winning record.

Keep the haterade flowing, it helps me fill my ignore backlog and balances out nixluva. :-)

I told yall alot that hater bull****. Amare doesn't rebound or play defense. He can't pass or play ball he can score yes. But don't lie and make stuff up about him being anything but what I just said. He is the reason we have had a ****ty 4 years. No need to restate history.

Guys that hate Melo deserve it because Melo had done everything asked of him and more. Amare is not that guy. Showing up in shape is not impressive for a pro in any sport. Dude can't play his position. You luke his scoring and his wine baths fine. But don't lie just because i done want to jerk of to Amare. I'm not making stuff up. I give credit when it is due.

You will have an issue no matter what big man we bring in.

I use to here the same thing about EWING not passing the ball, or Ewing shooting to many jumpers, or Ewing is to slow or ewings hands were to small and he bobble to man passes...Here we had a first ballot HOF, and people still complained about what he didn't do.

I'm talking about Amare only cut the Bull****. I hated chandler too cuz he sucked. He's gone. I love Dalembert. You don't see me complaining about anybody but Amare right now. Don't make did up or assume things with no reason other than to annoy the **** out of me