F500ONE wrote:GustavBahler wrote:knickscity wrote:fishmike wrote:knickscity wrote:nixluva wrote:knickscity wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:People forget just how dominant STAT was. When we got him he had just played a full season and literally carried his Suns team into the playoffs. In 09-10 STAT played 82 games 35mpg they went 54-28 they swept the Spurs and went to the WCF's. That was the STAT we were getting at that point. He most certainly was a better player in most opinions at that time.
You mean playing with a point guard
Who dropped 16.5/ppg, 11ast, 51%fg, 43%fg(3pt), same season
You still had to consider the financial risk
He was consulted by Phx doctors what team would ever question their doctors?
Lee makes $15mil Stat makes $23mil
Stat was never really $8-12mil/yr better player than Lee 2008 and beyond
Even if you feel he was the better player
You really need to stop posting if you are gonna keep making such dumb comments. We all know Nash is a great PG, but that doesn't take away from who STAT is as a player when he's healthy. They both made each other look good. STAT was a beast that year in particular as the season progressed:
PPG REB BLK
Feb. 25.3 10.1 1.0
Mar. 27.3 9.9 0.9
Apr. 26.3 9.3 1.4
After all his health issues it was a good performance by STAT getting stronger as the season went along and him playing a full season and 3 rounds of playoff games. Just looking at how he was playing to end the year no one would say that Lee was better than STAT at that time.
Phx continued to roll even when Amare was out in Phx due to injuries twice. Nash impact>>>>>>>>Amare. Phx might would have even went to the finals if Amare hadnt came off that bench against the Spurs which adds to not only is Amare merely a system player he's also dumb.
WTF??? This isn't a STAT vs. Nash issue. You guys aren't getting the point at all. The question was about Lee and STAT who at the time was just coming of a strong finish to his season. We know about the risks of STAT and his injuries but they took that risk hoping they could get the guy that was strong at the end of that season. If he was perfect no way PHX would let him go. We all know he had issues and we know Nash was great. How could we not know that with a 2x MVP. I mean Jesus how stupid is this argument? No one would suggest that STAT is a scrub without Nash. When healthy STAT is dominant regardless of Nash.
Sure it is when you make that assinine comment that Amare literally carried the Suns. Amare is nothing without a pg spoon feeding him. When your team can win WITHOUT you, then you arent carrying anything.
did you watch him here the first year? Despite all the injuries he shot what? 55% last year? How did he accomplish that?
Was he not spoon fed the ball? What part are you disputing?
You're making it sound like he couldnt score and didn't without being spoon fed. Look at some 2010 highlights, Stat did his share of blowing by opponents, dunking against multiple defenders, and knocking down mid range jumpers. Its different than say Tyson who had no go to move, couldnt blow by defenders, he was spoon fed the ball to a much larger extent.
Stat was also very good at putting himself in a position to receive a pass in traffic, thats a skill in itself. He wasnt just camping out under the rim waiting for the ball, Amare was all over the court. He still had to knock down those jumpers, nobody was doing that for him.
He played with a Prime Marbury and Prime Nash
Amar'e was much different with the latter
As was almost every player who hooked up with him in Phx
His usage dramatically changed from Phx to arriving here
But if you look at his first few yrs with Nash
His efficiency was pretty stellar
But his rebounding-ast-blks-stls
Having been nothing but misery after his first half season with us
Marbury wasn't a pass first PG like Nash was, he would look for his own shot first as opposed to Nash who would be more focused on setting up his teammates first. Too often Marbury would pass only after he couldn't get a good look at the rim, many times after holding onto the ball for most of the shot clock. That happened too often in NY.
If you're arguing that Stat thrives with a very good PG, well sure, most players do, but its a serious stretch to argue that he couldnt create on his own without someone giftwrapping the ball for him.
Like I said, noone was shooting those jumpers for him, he was jab stepping, faking them out. Sometimes shooting, sometimes blowing right by them. No PG was doing that for him.
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