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Splat
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10/16/2014  4:58 PM
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10/16/2014  5:15 PM
Splat wrote:The fate of this season's squad is going to depend more on them overachieving on defense. The points will be generated if they play Triangulally, but most victories will be gotten from playing D.

Overachieving on defense? LOL Ive never heard of that phrase?? What is that?

You know--we went out and INCREASED the salary cap for extended years--I'm assuming in the ability to win now. We didnt get a high enough pick out of the deal to get a potential impact player and having Calderon for 34-35 and 36 while stabilizing--you're not really reaching for the stars there. We just gave Larkin his extra year next year an additional 1.7mm without him proving his worthiness. We are at 47mm in cap space committed next year with not 1 big under contract. I know we have Carmelo and I like Timmy Hardaway sans his 1 out of every 3 game stinker but when we go to free agency next year we dont have the money to get two maximum salary players(if that is even feasible??) I'm just shaking my head a little bit--last week I had better feelings than I do this week. Maybe the plan is a tank job sooner than we think.

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10/16/2014  5:31 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Splat wrote:The fate of this season's squad is going to depend more on them overachieving on defense. The points will be generated if they play Triangulally, but most victories will be gotten from playing D.

Overachieving on defense? LOL Ive never heard of that phrase?? What is that?

You know--we went out and INCREASED the salary cap for extended years--I'm assuming in the ability to win now. We didnt get a high enough pick out of the deal to get a potential impact player and having Calderon for 34-35 and 36 while stabilizing--you're not really reaching for the stars there. We just gave Larkin his extra year next year an additional 1.7mm without him proving his worthiness. We are at 47mm in cap space committed next year with not 1 big under contract. I know we have Carmelo and I like Timmy Hardaway sans his 1 out of every 3 game stinker but when we go to free agency next year we dont have the money to get two maximum salary players(if that is even feasible??) I'm just shaking my head a little bit--last week I had better feelings than I do this week. Maybe the plan is a tank job sooner than we think.

Overachievers are individuals who "perform better or achieve more success than expected."

I'll include a glossary with all future posts.

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10/16/2014  5:55 PM
Splat wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Splat wrote:The fate of this season's squad is going to depend more on them overachieving on defense. The points will be generated if they play Triangulally, but most victories will be gotten from playing D.

Overachieving on defense? LOL Ive never heard of that phrase?? What is that?

You know--we went out and INCREASED the salary cap for extended years--I'm assuming in the ability to win now. We didnt get a high enough pick out of the deal to get a potential impact player and having Calderon for 34-35 and 36 while stabilizing--you're not really reaching for the stars there. We just gave Larkin his extra year next year an additional 1.7mm without him proving his worthiness. We are at 47mm in cap space committed next year with not 1 big under contract. I know we have Carmelo and I like Timmy Hardaway sans his 1 out of every 3 game stinker but when we go to free agency next year we dont have the money to get two maximum salary players(if that is even feasible??) I'm just shaking my head a little bit--last week I had better feelings than I do this week. Maybe the plan is a tank job sooner than we think.

Overachievers are individuals who "perform better or achieve more success than expected."

I'll include a glossary with all future posts.

Splat--I guess any team can go all out on D and make some things happen right? When I think of OUR overachieving possibilities--the first guy I think of is Jason Smith. Why--because in a spread offense where he is option 2--I think this guy has the capabilities of a hard 17-7 with good D and chemistry enhancing team play. I think of Tim Hardaway as sixth man of the year. I think of Iman Shumpert playing above his head getting his J more consistent I think of JR Smith giving us firepower than he did two years ago and end of last year.


If it was me--Id probably start JR Smith @ SG and J Smith at PF. That would give us more firepower in the starting line up. I dont think you are giving up too much of anything on the D either. That leaves me with THJ in a certain role as sixth man Iman Shumpert as seventh man and then Id probably go with Bargnani as my back up C as he can handle second line guys in this league with ease. then sprinkle in your Larkins your AScys maybe an Early etc.. but I go with my big guns first. I don't want to lose games trying to prove a point of style of play or energy is great or whatever--I dont want to bet on W's for overachieving defense. I expect everyone who is paid to play hard anyway. I want to go with my vets and Im not giving J Smith a 15 minute time clock--he can go 30 minutes at 28 years old.

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10/16/2014  6:06 PM
I cannot agree less. I look at players as an aggregate of their abilities and contributions and I think a prime Shumper blows aways a player like JR. Hardaway is not even in the conversation until he expands his game. I love his upside, but he was a terrible defender last year and he has to improve. Shump is ideal to start this present squad. Until we have a PG who can defend and penetrate too, we will be in compensation mode with Calderon. JR can defend, but he is not consistent at all. A backcourt of Jose and JR/Hardaway is not what we need right now.
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10/16/2014  7:55 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Splat wrote:
babyKnicks wrote:agreed, the second unit will not play as an entire unit, as we should be thinking about a playoff roster if we are talking rotations, however, I still feel the Amare will be part of a 4 big rotation and see a majority of the minutes of the bigs with maybe less than Dalembert.

You will see, no worries.

injuries are for suckas.

Health maintenance is one reason this may be a deeper rotation. Look at our bigs. Sam, Jason and Stat are all guys who could play 15-25 minutes, but that may be it.

That leaves room for Acy too. It is why Amare can get minutes, though he will be curtailed still. If Bargs is just a spazz who couldn't come to camp in shape, then Stat benefits.

If we had two bigs who you could project playing 35 minutes, then I could see a 9-10 rotation. But our bigs will have their minutes spread so I think we go 11 and sometimes 12 deep as a result, at least until we are in the playoffs (assuming we are).

Ah, if D Rose and B lopez are going all out--then J Smith can gives us 28-30 minutes for 75 games. We can use strategic days off--we have the depth but I really believe that J Smith gives us a true mobile 4 who can score 20 points on a given night(his avg would likely be 12-13 imho) while grabbing 7-8 boards and giving is that 7 footer length on D. Quincy Acy lets see him guard guys like Dirk or Ryan Andersen etc at 6-5. I actually thought Quincy Acyw was a decent player and I think he has potential as an energy big off the bench--but thrusting him into a starting role? It will be one week before he goes 1-6 with 4 rebounds and 3 TO's and we lose by 18 before we rethink that one.

Acy is 6-7 NOT 6-5

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10/16/2014  7:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/16/2014  7:58 PM
fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Splat wrote:
babyKnicks wrote:agreed, the second unit will not play as an entire unit, as we should be thinking about a playoff roster if we are talking rotations, however, I still feel the Amare will be part of a 4 big rotation and see a majority of the minutes of the bigs with maybe less than Dalembert.

You will see, no worries.

injuries are for suckas.

Health maintenance is one reason this may be a deeper rotation. Look at our bigs. Sam, Jason and Stat are all guys who could play 15-25 minutes, but that may be it.

That leaves room for Acy too. It is why Amare can get minutes, though he will be curtailed still. If Bargs is just a spazz who couldn't come to camp in shape, then Stat benefits.

If we had two bigs who you could project playing 35 minutes, then I could see a 9-10 rotation. But our bigs will have their minutes spread so I think we go 11 and sometimes 12 deep as a result, at least until we are in the playoffs (assuming we are).

Ah, if D Rose and B lopez are going all out--then J Smith can gives us 28-30 minutes for 75 games. We can use strategic days off--we have the depth but I really believe that J Smith gives us a true mobile 4 who can score 20 points on a given night(his avg would likely be 12-13 imho) while grabbing 7-8 boards and giving is that 7 footer length on D. Quincy Acy lets see him guard guys like Dirk or Ryan Andersen etc at 6-5. I actually thought Quincy Acyw was a decent player and I think he has potential as an energy big off the bench--but thrusting him into a starting role? It will be one week before he goes 1-6 with 4 rebounds and 3 TO's and we lose by 18 before we rethink that one.

I think lost in the euphoria of the triangle and having a team run by Phil instead of Dolan and CAA stooges people arent really looking at the talent on the roster. It might fit better, and I still think barring major injuries to Melo and Calderon that this team is + .500 and probably good for 45 wins (my prediction) we are far far from elite.

Briggs nailed it with "firepower" -we lack it

Doesnt mean we are bad team. I think we can be good and hope we are, but we are probably 6-8 seed and if in the west would be a lottery team. Time will tell

You are a big fan of the 54 win team right? They were pretty good offensively
This team has a lot more firepower than that team.

Look no further than Calderon over Felton
Sammy/Acy over Tyson
Improved Shumpert
THJ

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10/16/2014  8:00 PM
Splat wrote:I cannot agree less. I look at players as an aggregate of their abilities and contributions and I think a prime Shumper blows aways a player like JR. Hardaway is not even in the conversation until he expands his game. I love his upside, but he was a terrible defender last year and he has to improve. Shump is ideal to start this present squad. Until we have a PG who can defend and penetrate too, we will be in compensation mode with Calderon. JR can defend, but he is not consistent at all. A backcourt of Jose and JR/Hardaway is not what we need right now.

Agree 100%

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10/16/2014  8:36 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Splat wrote:
babyKnicks wrote:agreed, the second unit will not play as an entire unit, as we should be thinking about a playoff roster if we are talking rotations, however, I still feel the Amare will be part of a 4 big rotation and see a majority of the minutes of the bigs with maybe less than Dalembert.

You will see, no worries.

injuries are for suckas.

Health maintenance is one reason this may be a deeper rotation. Look at our bigs. Sam, Jason and Stat are all guys who could play 15-25 minutes, but that may be it.

That leaves room for Acy too. It is why Amare can get minutes, though he will be curtailed still. If Bargs is just a spazz who couldn't come to camp in shape, then Stat benefits.

If we had two bigs who you could project playing 35 minutes, then I could see a 9-10 rotation. But our bigs will have their minutes spread so I think we go 11 and sometimes 12 deep as a result, at least until we are in the playoffs (assuming we are).

Ah, if D Rose and B lopez are going all out--then J Smith can gives us 28-30 minutes for 75 games. We can use strategic days off--we have the depth but I really believe that J Smith gives us a true mobile 4 who can score 20 points on a given night(his avg would likely be 12-13 imho) while grabbing 7-8 boards and giving is that 7 footer length on D. Quincy Acy lets see him guard guys like Dirk or Ryan Andersen etc at 6-5. I actually thought Quincy Acyw was a decent player and I think he has potential as an energy big off the bench--but thrusting him into a starting role? It will be one week before he goes 1-6 with 4 rebounds and 3 TO's and we lose by 18 before we rethink that one.

Acy is 6-7 NOT 6-5

He's 6-7 and he smells like turpentine and tastes like metal!

I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
The straight man...Jason Smith..

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