TripleThreat wrote:nixluva wrote:This doesn't mean that players don't have responsibility for what they do, but it's the coaching staff that lays the foundation for what is going to be the foundation and culture a team is based on. Human nature is to be lazy and have the attitude that "you've got it" and don't need to focus on the basics and proper technique.Sometimes you can get away with things if you have a situation like we had with Kidd on the court and lots of vets. Woody didn't really have to do much because he had leadership on his roster. Last year he was exposed cuz he and his sorry staff couldn't command the respect of the players and get them to execute and play with discipline.
Your viewpoint simply boggles the mind. You have a right to it, it's yours, it just makes me shake my damn head.
The players are accountable! ( Yeah, well, not really)
The players need a coach they can "respect"! ( Yeah, let's not talk about the players responsibility to be professionals and show the capability to show respect in the first place. Putting in the effort. Taking pride in your craft. Showing up in shape. This is how you show respect to your profession and your franchise and fan base. How much "respect" can you get from players who clearly don't respect their own craft?)
If you have to back someone into a corner ( essentially hiring a splash big shot GM with no experience but with 11 rings and giving him a massive contract to tell you what to do, and with all players knowing that Zen Master is going nowhere, that it's the roster that will get gutted first, not the coach and GM, which is more commonplace in the NBA), that's not respect.
IT'S NOT RESPECT. IT'S AN EMPLOYEE WHO REALIZES HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO COMPLY.
You celebrate the things this current Knicks roster should be doing/know already/apply already. Do you think after spending their ENTIRE LIVES playing organized sports and organized basketball that this is the first exposure they've had to BASIC BASKETBALL 101? It's shameful that supposed professionals need someone to break things back down to fundamentals that you get taught in high school basketball or earlier.
You know who isn't getting any MOTHER FUCKING RESPECT HERE?
Knicks fans.
Sorry for those of us who have a crazy idea that Melo, STAT and the rest of the Knicks should already be honing their craft and working on their game and seeking out every possible way to win. To act like professionals and to give Knicks fans a return value for their loyalty and merchandise and ticket dollars.
If Woodson puts out a bad scheme, that's on Woodson.
If Melo doesn't give full effort, that's on Melo.
If you do everything you can to win but you don't, then that's the reality of sports. But when you don't win and you didn't give it everything you had, you disrespected yourself, your team, your franchise, your fan base, you insult the game itself.
You know the reality show I want to see? It's not La La's Full Court Life, it would be called "Nobody, I Mean Nobody, Fucks with Charles Oakley" And it would be documentary style where the Oak himself would show up all season and regulate the current Knicks. Don't want to play D, Melo? See, there's Oak, choking you out and smashing your face into the locker room wall. Don't want to set a pick, Bargs? Look, there's Oak, giving you his patented forearm shiver and knocking out three of your teeth. Want to be the ultimate Hasidic Homeboy with one of your stupid hats, STAT? Instead of even trying to get in front of someone on defense? Look, there's Oak, knee capping you.
In order to have a CONTENDER, players have to buy in and do their part. They have to invest themselves as professionals and do their job. DO you think Poppovich has to ride Duncan, Parker and Ginobili every single day, every single minute, every single instance to get them to act like pros and behave like winners and put in the work?
Where is the MOTHER FUCKING RESPECT FOR THE FANS? HUH? WHERE IS IT?
Wait, sorry , it doesn't fit into your narrative. Let's just blame the coach. Let's pretend Zen Master and Fish are teaching these players things they've never seen before in organized basketball. Let's just keep throwing stones at Mike Woodson and D'Antoni and maybe even George Karl.
Lets pretend Zen Master hasn't won 11 rings as a leader of men. Lets pretend that Derek Fisher hasn't won 5 rings as a point guard. Lets pretend Cole Aldrich didn't say that Fish wasn't extremely assertive as a player in telling his team what they needed to do to be successful and that he is a poor communicator. Lets pretend that the Knicks didn't hire two of the guys with the most character associated with basketball. Lets pretend that these guys have a system that has been highly effective in the past and that is what they are trying to put in place and that maybe they start from ground zero and that is why they are effective. Should they not be trying to get players to buy in? Every time I read your posts I think wtf is up with this dumb bunny? You keep questioning the PJax hire and the money spent. You keep suggesting that there is something about Jeremy Lin that makes him a guy that you don't package a first round pick and future draft considerations to move his mammoth salary. You question Melo's conditioning, a hot topic after he had surgery and there was a lockout first year in ny but nothing since then has ever indicated that the guy isn't in supreme condition.
10/5/2014 2:43 AM