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9/26/2014  11:32 AM
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dk7th wrote:
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dk7th wrote:Ehh his luck and mojo were destroyed with the melo trade. Malignant narcissists have that effect. Happily fields got paid. I'm happy for him... as you should be.

Im hoping this response was a joke but I feel as if I'll be disappointed. Guns is right. Fields is not a good player and certainly not one that brings good fortune to your team.

the knicks have been a joke.


And fields right along with them

as a knick he wasn't a joke. dollar for dollar as the 39th pick he was great until melo got here, was great when melo was out and lin was here.


Once again, what happened in Toronto? Melo wasn't there. Also, Rudy wasn't there in the beginning either before you bring him up.
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9/26/2014  11:32 AM
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dk7th wrote:He could have been developed on the cheap but Dolan made sure to destroy that just like you would expect a malignant narcissist loser to do. This is the same guy whose signature move was intervening and meddling to bring in melo and destroy the Walsh agenda with one horrible gaffe. The same Dolan who admitted he was clueless last spring.

So now Melo is an evil vain vampire who drains basketball players of their talent and skill- you're becoming a self parody, man! It's frustrating as when you're not mumbling about Melo you do actually have some fresh and interesting things to say. Time you went on a Melo amnesty!

the knicks have been a parody or perhaps a better term would be "farce."

Ha, can't argue with that!

Hoping things will be different going forward
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9/26/2014  11:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/26/2014  11:50 AM
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RonRon wrote:Fields like many others played well when we played as a TEAM and had versatile talents that played TOGETHER, even with less talent on the floor
Something we are still trying to do

When Fields played SF, when CA was out, he played very well, and was a big part of the run with Lin, including players in no order

Lin
Novak
Chandler

Jeffries
Iman
Fields

Walker

exactly. in the right situation he was great. those last few months as a knick traumatized him and i am not sure he ever recovered. i guess when you are a gem of a second rounder and you get sh!t on it can have a lasting effect.

He wasnt a gem as a 2nd rounder. Anyone can have a few good games under Dantoni. See Duhon and Felton.

If Fields was anything but a bust in Toronto I would change my tune on him. He's proven over the last couple of seasons why he went late in the 2nd round. If not for his ridiculous contract he'd be out of the league

If that Linsanity group at least Jeffries defended well, took charges etc. Fields does nothing well. Panics and turns the ball over, can't shoot and was often targeted defensively by the opposing player
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9/26/2014  11:44 AM
Yeah, I liked Fields for a while, but he wasn't well regarded coming into the draft, had a good couple of months in D'Antoni's system, then sucked for years afterwards. From that we can deduce that the good couple of months was the anomaly.
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9/26/2014  11:51 AM
Yea I was happy to see him go. I was thrilled when Toronto screwed themselves by giving him $7m per
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9/26/2014  12:40 PM
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:Ehh his luck and mojo were destroyed with the melo trade. Malignant narcissists have that effect. Happily fields got paid. I'm happy for him... as you should be.

Im hoping this response was a joke but I feel as if I'll be disappointed. Guns is right. Fields is not a good player and certainly not one that brings good fortune to your team.

the knicks have been a joke.


And fields right along with them

as a knick he wasn't a joke. dollar for dollar as the 39th pick he was great until melo got here, was great when melo was out and lin was here.


Once again, what happened in Toronto? Melo wasn't there. Also, Rudy wasn't there in the beginning either before you bring him up.

are you asking because you want to learn what you can about basketball from me or do you just want to be argumentative?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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9/26/2014  12:46 PM
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:Ehh his luck and mojo were destroyed with the melo trade. Malignant narcissists have that effect. Happily fields got paid. I'm happy for him... as you should be.

Im hoping this response was a joke but I feel as if I'll be disappointed. Guns is right. Fields is not a good player and certainly not one that brings good fortune to your team.

the knicks have been a joke.


And fields right along with them

as a knick he wasn't a joke. dollar for dollar as the 39th pick he was great until melo got here, was great when melo was out and lin was here.


Once again, what happened in Toronto? Melo wasn't there. Also, Rudy wasn't there in the beginning either before you bring him up.

are you asking because you want to learn what you can about basketball from me or do you just want to be argumentative?


Clearly because I disagree. You want to pin fields struggles on Melo yet melo was not in Toronto where his struggles continued. If you're saying fields needs to play with Lin/d'antoni in order to be successful than maybe he's not that good luck player you see him as.
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9/26/2014  12:59 PM
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:Ehh his luck and mojo were destroyed with the melo trade. Malignant narcissists have that effect. Happily fields got paid. I'm happy for him... as you should be.

Im hoping this response was a joke but I feel as if I'll be disappointed. Guns is right. Fields is not a good player and certainly not one that brings good fortune to your team.

the knicks have been a joke.


And fields right along with them

as a knick he wasn't a joke. dollar for dollar as the 39th pick he was great until melo got here, was great when melo was out and lin was here.


Once again, what happened in Toronto? Melo wasn't there. Also, Rudy wasn't there in the beginning either before you bring him up.

are you asking because you want to learn what you can about basketball from me or do you just want to be argumentative?


Clearly because I disagree. You want to pin fields struggles on Melo yet melo was not in Toronto where his struggles continued. If you're saying fields needs to play with Lin/d'antoni in order to be successful than maybe he's not that good luck player you see him as.

the league is littered with players like melo, derozan, gay, etc. etc. their playing "style" where their usage to assist ratio is consistently in excess of 2:1 basically makes others around them worse, especially the sorts of players like fields, opportunists who make an impact by moving without the ball within an offense where ball movement is stressed.

when both ball movement and movement without the ball is coached, as opposed to two or three players playing one on one, you will underachieve as a team because lesser players who do not "initiate" the offense will not be part of the offense.

ironically, the triangle offense would be something i could imagine all the "good luck" players i listed excelling in.

dwane casey is not a particularly good coach and that does not help.

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9/26/2014  1:06 PM
Really I think Casey has done a great job in Toronto. They came out of nowhere and won their division. I agree you need to play like a team but you can't just plug scrubs in the lineup and expect them to excel. With Lin guys like TYSON and Shumpert excelled and Jeffries in his role. I think you need to refresh your memory on fields. For every good play there were 5 bonehead plays. Some guys are scrubs that don't excel at anything. Fields is a scrub. But boy can sing!
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9/26/2014  1:19 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Really I think Casey has done a great job in Toronto. They came out of nowhere and won their division. I agree you need to play like a team but you can't just plug scrubs in the lineup and expect them to excel. With Lin guys like TYSON and Shumpert excelled and Jeffries in his role. I think you need to refresh your memory on fields. For every good play there were 5 bonehead plays. Some guys are scrubs that don't excel at anything. Fields is a scrub. But boy can sing!

casey had the good fortune of having lowry emerge and derozan improved as a team player, and they also benefitted from sending bargnani and gay packing. so the result was a better team, a team that still couldn't get past the brooklyn nets.

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9/26/2014  1:28 PM
Yea but you can't fault him for Landry Fields being the ultimate scrub.

You said their chemistry improved once they got rid of Bargs and Gay. So Landry should've had a career year of with the improved chemistry because like you said he is a good in a team concept. However Landry could t even crack the rotation
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9/26/2014  3:42 PM
I think time has proven that Landry Fields is not a good basketball player. You can only blame his bad play on other players for so long before that argument falls apart. In reality, he played well over a very, VERY small sample size relative to his career. He has had a much, much larger sample size of being bad.

And yes, I get some players need to be integrated into a team oriented system to succeed to their max but then why did he not redeem himself last season when DeRozan finally started to get it and the Raps played a very entertaining style of ball? He was glued to the bench all season.

Landry was fortunate that he regressed to his mean only after he signed his big contract.
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9/26/2014  3:47 PM
He regressed to the mean long before signing that contract. I was shocked Toronto gave him that contract. I think they did it to try to pry Lin from the Knicks being that they were close friends. At least I hope that was the reason for the sake of raptor fans
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9/26/2014  5:02 PM
gunsnewing wrote:He regressed to the mean long before signing that contract. I was shocked Toronto gave him that contract. I think they did it to try to pry Lin from the Knicks being that they were close friends. At least I hope that was the reason for the sake of raptor fans

Exactly

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9/26/2014  6:32 PM
gunsnewing wrote:He regressed to the mean long before signing that contract. I was shocked Toronto gave him that contract. I think they did it to try to pry Lin from the Knicks being that they were close friends. At least I hope that was the reason for the sake of raptor fans
I always thought it was because they thought the Knicks would match their offer and then not pursue their true target Steve Nash.
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9/26/2014  6:47 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:He regressed to the mean long before signing that contract. I was shocked Toronto gave him that contract. I think they did it to try to pry Lin from the Knicks being that they were close friends. At least I hope that was the reason for the sake of raptor fans
I always thought it was because they thought the Knicks would match their offer and then not pursue their true target Steve Nash.

Didn't Nash already sign with the Lakers
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9/26/2014  7:59 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:He regressed to the mean long before signing that contract. I was shocked Toronto gave him that contract. I think they did it to try to pry Lin from the Knicks being that they were close friends. At least I hope that was the reason for the sake of raptor fans
I always thought it was because they thought the Knicks would match their offer and then not pursue their true target Steve Nash.

Didn't Nash already sign with the Lakers


No. I don't remember all the details. I googled it but didn't get the best links.
http://deadspin.com/5923249/raptors-sign-landry-fields-solely-to-cockblock-the-knicks-on-steve-nash
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9/27/2014  9:08 AM
“Fans want to know: How long do we have to wait?” Jackson said. “We hope it’s expedient.”

here are a few more phil-isms:

"shooting from the cuff" when saying he had no prepared statements
"an auspicious beginning" upon being introduced by that swine dolan
"the idea of developing a culture is an overwrought word" but that is the "cache that brought me here"
"you all know about the vaulted triangle"
"he knows all the crooks and crannies"
"creating teams that fans adapt and love"

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