smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:The NFL suspended Ray Rice, a second time, as they should've to protect their image. As a side, I don't know Ray Rice and doubt I'd like him if I met him in real life BUT if this chick still married him, are we entitled to judge him?

Yes we can still judge his actions- it happens a lot with domestic violence (or any kind of abuse)- the abused sticks with the abuser. That doesn't give the abuser a green light or excuse their actions in any way or make the victim responsible.

That holds true regardless of gender?

Yes- I work with victims of abuse of both genders, and domestic violence against men is just as unacceptable (but is unfortunately under reported and not taken as seriously by people- that needs to change).

I was just wondering because I hate how people pretend that only women are victims of domestic violence. And that's not to say that women still don't have a tough go of things. The reality is that there are so many more inherent benefits in being a man that I'd never want to walk in their shoes. I just hate how issues that men have are never taken seriously, particularly in the context of domestic life.

But we contribute to that by reinforcing this BS culture where we're suppose to be 'strong silent' types who don't talk about anything bothering us to other men- it kind of creates a situation where men don't speak out about things for fear of ridicule.

Touche. I agree that the way we behave is part of our problem as men. We've taken accountability to an extreme but the problem with women is that the exact opposite is becoming acceptable for women, in a social context.

NardDogNation wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

It's bad what Ray Rice did and now he is going to pay. If Ray Rice went to Jesus and confessed his sins what would Jesus do?
Ray Rice should be punished very strong but I can't see destroying his life and making him work at burger king for life. There is a saying men are brutes and women are mouth. Thats the way it is. You just can't get upset and start beating on your girlfriend or spouse. Ray and his wife should go to counseling for help.Ray Rice will have this stigma on him for the rest of his life.Even if he comes back to the NFL he will never get endorsements again. People will taunt him for the rest of his life no matter what he does. Ray Rice will be the poster boy to hate. He needs to pray and ask God for forgiveness and if God forgive him then thats what really counts.

God doesn't give a **** about domestic violence.

Papabear Says

God cares about everything. God is a forgiving God. I repeat what Ray Rice did will follow him for the rest of his life. He probably should go to jail. But there must be a time for forgiveness in time and if there is no forgiveness then why did Jesus die on the cross?

If Vick was given another chance, I think Rice will get one after he pays for his actions
I would have preffered him to donate his entire year of salary, attend counsiling, and make some awareness apperances, rather than the punishment he got

NardDogNation wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Papabear wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:
God doesn't give a **** about domestic violence.

Papabear Says

God cares about everything. God is a forgiving God. I repeat what Ray Rice did will follow him for the rest of his life. He probably should go to jail. But there must be a time for forgiveness in time and if there is no forgiveness then why did Jesus die on the cross?

So that wealthy men could solidify power and exploit the world's resources.

Consider the source.
Pagan Emperor Constantine in the 4th Century commissioned and paid for the Council of Nicaea that was tasked to find 1 canon of books that would be considered the word of God and universally accepted by all Christians. That is how the Bible came to be. There were many books that were older than those chosen that actually paint a very different picture of God and early stories like Adam & Eve. The common theme when you look up what books were omitted is that they promoted a more balanced lifestyle between men & women. The books ultimately chosen were those that fit the mold of a new male dominated culture. Remember before this the pagans worshiped the female form.

I have to admit, I knew nothing about all of that. Thanks for the info.

My skepticism of Christianity came from the obvious plagiarisms from older religions. The character of Jesus is almost a wholesale knockoff of the Egyptian God, Horus who was born to a virgin mother and divine father, was baptized by a being that later was decapitated (Anup vs John the Baptist), was tempted in the desert as a younger being and was resurrected. The rest of Jesus' life was hodgepodge work from other religions, particularly Hinduism who had a God that was a carpenter and born on December 25th. Then on top of that, there is the obvious fiction in the book like Noah's Ark, Jonah being swallowed by a whale, etc. and the general immorality of the Old Testament, okaying the killing of children, endorsing rape, slavery, etc.

At this point, I don't know how it isn't recognized as a tool for social control by the wealthy of yore/present. Hell, they won 3 continents (Africa, North America and South America) with it.

Jesus the plagiarist!

That's one of the sad things- all these people using various religions to justify their violence, when they all pretty much are basing it on the same stuff!

gunsnewing wrote:There you go. That didn't take long. Adrian Peterson in trouble for physically abusing his child. Ray Rice who?

Gotta wait for the details to come out but this is horrible timing for the NFL.

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NEWSADRIAN PETERSONINDICTED FOR CHILD ABUSE(Photo Update)21 Hours Ago

 

EXCLUSIVE DETAILS

4:12 PM PT -- According to the police report, Peterson allegedly sent text messages to the child's mother saying he "felt bad" because he struck the kid in the testicles. 

"Got him in the nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I'm all tearing that butt up when needed!" the text said.

Peterson allegedly sent a follow up text saying, "Never do I go overboard! But all my kids will know, hey daddy has he biggest heart but don't play no games when it comes to acting right."

4:10 PM PT -- According to the police report, the child told authorities he had also been hit by a belt and there were "a lot of belts in daddy's closet."

The child also said AP had put leaves in his mouth when he was being struck and that his pants were down. 

3:50 PM PT -- The Vikings have deactivated Peterson for Sunday's game. 

3:34 PM PT -- Peterson has issued a statement through his lawyer saying, "The charged conduct involves using a switch to spank his son."

"This indictment follows Adrian's full cooperation with authorities who have been looking into this matter. Adrian is a loving father who used his judgement as a parent to discipline his son."

"He used the same kind of discipline with his child that he experienced as a child growing up in East Texas. Adrian has never hidden from what happened."

"He has cooperated fully with authorities and voluntarily testified before the grand jury for several hours."

"Adrian will address the charges with the same respect and responsiveness he has brought to this inquiry from its beginning. It is important to remember that Adrian never intended to harm his son and deeply regrets the unintentional injury."

3:00 PM PT -- The police report on the case includes photos of cuts on the boy's thigh and hands. He also had bruises on his lower back and buttocks, and according to the report ... Peterson admitted punishing him.

One law enforcement source tells TMZ ... Peterson decided to discipline his son by grabbing a branch from a tree -- and then whipping the child on his bare skin. We're told several of the wounds were bleeding when the child went back to his mother.

2:31 PM PT -- The Vikings have issued a statement saying ... "The Vikings are in the process of gathering information regarding the legal situation involving Adrian Peterson."

"At this time, we will defer further questions to Adrian’s attorney Rusty Hardin." 

Minnesota Vikings superstar Adrian Peterson has been indicted for child abuse in North Montgomery County, TX ... TMZ Sports has learned. 

Sources connected to Peterson tell us ... the alleged victim is a male child from Minnesota who was visiting Adrian back in May at AP's home in Texas. 

We're told the child returned home to his mother in Minn. who noticed injuries and took the child to a doctor. A short time later, the doctor contacted authorities in Texas to report Adrian. 

Child Protective Services confirms it is working on a case involving Peterson. Multiple sources tell us the alleged victim is a 4-year-old boy.

Peterson was indicted in Montgomery County for reckless or negligent injury to a child, this according to MyFOX Houston 26. 

Peterson missed Vikings team practice yesterday -- though the team explained it as a "veteran's day." Peterson did attend practice today and was said to be laughing and joking on the field. 

Earlier today, Peterson posted a message on Twitter -- though it's unclear if it's related to the case.  "People understand that if you are on God's course and suppose to have that position and man decides to remove you know that God will remove everyone to place you rightfully! You matter!"

"Its your season! Weapons may form but won’t prosper! God has you covered don’t stress or worry!" 

Story developing ...

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