gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

One first round pick, two very injury prone guys and Moz.

gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

One first round pick, two very injury prone guys and Moz.

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

It didn't really start with the Amar'e signing though- we've been making blunders for much longer than that!

That stuffs all in the past though- I'm giving Phil the benefit of the doubt, and I'm hoping for a better season this year. I really enjoyed 2012-13, hated 2013-14,so I'm looking forward to seeing what we do- plus it's reassuring to know that if it all goes terribly wrong again, we actually have our draft pick, and most of the players are expiring or can be gotten rid of.

Quit grinding the axe, man and just sit back and enjoy the ride! This is a rare stress free season- if we do well, it helps us build a culture and if we suck we get a high draft pick and lots of cap space to get in new players.

if we suck it will send a very bad signal to prospective free agents who, quite unlike melo, may actually value winning over money. a lot is riding on this season being a reasonable success.

24 million dollars should get the knicks 45 wins and a strong first round showing.

a first round exit... where have i seen that before?

We sucked in 2010 but it didn't stop Amar'e and Joe Johnson being interested in signing with us. Players follow the money, mainly- you can then sell them on the idea it would be a different team, Phil's in charge, etc etc

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

It didn't really start with the Amar'e signing though- we've been making blunders for much longer than that!

That stuffs all in the past though- I'm giving Phil the benefit of the doubt, and I'm hoping for a better season this year. I really enjoyed 2012-13, hated 2013-14,so I'm looking forward to seeing what we do- plus it's reassuring to know that if it all goes terribly wrong again, we actually have our draft pick, and most of the players are expiring or can be gotten rid of.

Quit grinding the axe, man and just sit back and enjoy the ride! This is a rare stress free season- if we do well, it helps us build a culture and if we suck we get a high draft pick and lots of cap space to get in new players.

if we suck it will send a very bad signal to prospective free agents who, quite unlike melo, may actually value winning over money. a lot is riding on this season being a reasonable success.

24 million dollars should get the knicks 45 wins and a strong first round showing.

a first round exit... where have i seen that before?

We sucked in 2010 but it didn't stop Amar'e and Joe Johnson being interested in signing with us. Players follow the money, mainly- you can then sell them on the idea it would be a different team, Phil's in charge, etc etc

i am a proponent of saying it all starts from the top. with dolan that meant that the fish rots from the head down. put another way, dolan could not tolerate better men than himself in positions where dolan felt threatened by either competence or power. that's why lowlifes got to hang around so long and decent people did not last long or were given the opportunity to complete jobs they were hired to do.

i am all for sea changes and paradigm shifts, and it may well be we are seeing one here. i don't like mills, i don't like houston, in fact anyone that is connected to dolan i.don't.like. hopefully they are marginalized. frankly, culture change should have meant giving all of dolan's crew the heave-ho, as well as forcing melo to walk if it meant having to pay 24 million a year for a never-was player.

so i don't think taking a guilty until proven innocent approach is off base. it's sooo easy to misinterpret this as hating.

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-

We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one

Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.

why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.

There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.

It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing

Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-

We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one

Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.

why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.

There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.

It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing

Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve

But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.

Because we've graduated to the next phase

Many of us hated those moves in real time

Until the Melo era is over, we will move on

Fans want this team to reach real success

Not a fake hustle oscar meyer phony baloney mirage of success

We've embarked on putting 3 teams around Melo now

I don't know of any franchise who's won big

While reupholstering the rosters as much as we have

In particular doing this while having a player in his prime

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-

We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one

Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.

why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.

There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.

It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing

Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-

We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one

Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.

why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.

There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.

It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing

Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve

But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.

The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.

Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.

Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is

The cap increasing only steers the onus away from Melo

Meanwhile it doesn't stop teams from having money to spend too

The cap is not going to be Dynamic for us

And Static for everyone else

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-

We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one

Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.

why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.

There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.

It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing

Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve

But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.

The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.

Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.

Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is

Samba did a nice job of explaining what Melo should have taken less actually translates out to on page 2 of this thread.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=48134&page=2

He only explained the difference in gap between his actual paycut and hypothetical

There have been other threads explaining better what Melo should have taken

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-

We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one

Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.

why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.

There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.

It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing

Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve

But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.

The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.

Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.

Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is

Samba did a nice job of explaining what Melo should have taken less actually translates out to on page 2 of this thread.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=48134&page=2

He only explained the difference in gap between his actual paycut and hypothetical

There have been other threads explaining better what Melo should have taken

What should he have taken? I believe the amount suggested in the thread was 115 mil.

If the cap skyrockets to $80mil it's somewhat moot what he should have taken

If the cap rises to similar trends past few yrs $65-67mil

He should have taken a big enough cut

To allow for 2 less than full max tier players or the 1 true alpha

It obvious he's not talented enough to win with comparable rosters

He's had during his career

Therefore he needs to play alongside two players

In the caliber financial bracket of 2 Paul Milsaps[filling out multiple positions]

Looks like these players command salaries between $10-15mil going forward

F500ONE wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James Felton

Can't make this **** up

Go Hornets

After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-

We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one

Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.

why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.

There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.

It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing

Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve

But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.

Because we've graduated to the next phase

Many of us hated those moves in real time

Until the Melo era is over, we will move on

Fans want this team to reach real success

Not a fake hustle oscar meyer phony baloney mirage of success

We've embarked on putting 3 teams around Melo now

I don't know of any franchise who's won big

While reupholstering the rosters as much as we have

In particular doing this while having a player in his prime

this post is among your best contributions. +1