F500ONE wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:There were so many off the court problems last season with Felton and his wife, Tyson and his mother, Jr and Injuries/suspension. That was 3 of our core heavy min players not focused on basketball for a long stretch of the season. I don't think the team was 37 wins solely because it was a 37 win roster.

But again at the end of the day doesn't matter what the final record of the season is. Most important thing this yr is how Melo & Jr look in the triangle.

This is is eactly my theory, lets not forget all the grumbling coming from MWP, Shumpert, beno, tyson.

what about the fact that we made off season trades to replace, cope and novak, and those same guy we brought in hardly played any, and had little to no impact at all.

So in all reality, there was a laundry list of issues of issues.

The only issue we have at this point is foucsing on the system, and identifying roles..no injuries (so far) no position battles, no coach on the hot seat, no GM's getting fired, no FA talking about opting out, no suspensions pending.

There's just one issue I'm concern about and thats the trade talk that we surely be a topic until the deadline..

Well I don't think it'll be any more an issue than it has been

Did this hurt the 2010-2011 and 2013-2014 team, who knows maybe

Actually, right before Melo got here in 2010/11 season we started to struggle becuase of the constent trade talk, chandler, felton, and gallo, all went into slumps, and they mention it as well.

if you follow sports you see that teams go through those years. Upside for the the Knicks is it results in Dolan finally pulling the plug on the Knicks and handing control over to a true basketball guy.

this is true

It's a great sign for this team. The main difference isn't so much the players as the change in culture, training and system. You get the impression we've brought in the A Team in terms of who is running things now. The trades made sense. The resumes of the coaches are solid and even in the case of a rookie Coach like Fish you see the potential.

You look at the ages of the players on the team and you a nice mix of vets and young developing players. Nice size as well. The only shorty is Larkin. Everyone else is 6-3 and above.

NAME	                POS	AGE	HT	WT
Pablo Prigioni	        PG	37	6-3	185
Samuel Dalembert	C	33	6-11	250
Jose Calderon	        PG	32	6-3	211
Amar'e Stoudemire	PF	31	6-11	245
Carmelo Anthony	        SF	30	6-8	235
Travis Outlaw	        SF	29	6-9	207
Andrea Bargnani	        C	28	7-0	250
J.R. Smith	        SG	28	6-6	220
Jason Smith	        C	28	7-0	240
Cole Aldrich	        C	25	6-11	245
Iman Shumpert	        SG	24	6-5	220
Quincy Acy	        SF	23	6-7	225
Cleanthony Early	SF	23	6-8	219 	 
Tim Hardaway Jr.	SG	22	6-6	205
Shane Larkin	        PG	21	5-11	176

smackeddog wrote:You're right Panos- lets all just be permanently gloomy from now on!!!

How do you get that from my post? I said I'm not saying this team is better or worse than that team. What I am saying is there should be no correlation between 54 wins and what we will see this year.

CrushAlot wrote:

tj23 wrote:I agree overall, but Amare and Shump weren't ineffective. Shump stepped in for Brewer and immediately stretched the floor well and Amare really demonstrated his improved post game which was lethal. But Kidd held that team together, mainly on DEFENSE. He was always directing traffic. After he left, there was no vocal leader and it was clear nobody wanted to listen to Woody anymore. I think we're better than 37 wins, but I do think were closer to 37 than we are 54. Hopefully I'm wrong. In Phil I trust.

Amare only played 29 games that year and seemed to get injured whenever it appeared he was getting into a rhythm.

and to even hint that shump was "effective" shows a bit of revisionist history.

Then to say that Kidd was the 17 game swing due to him being "Vocal on defense"

Come on man...you are better than that.