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8/16/2014  3:10 PM
jose manuel calderon ‏@josemcalderon8 · 4h
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8/19/2014  12:44 AM
RonRon wrote:
nixluva wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:We need the froncourt players to stay relatively healthy and for Bargs and Amare to score well/yet also defend their positions the best they have in their careres
We need the three intermediate wings Iman Shumpert THJ and J R Smith to be at their best and make nightly impacts JR can do it he's proven he can. The others need to prove
We need to reduce PT on Melo but still expect 23-24 points with 4-5 assists and 6-7 rebounds.
The PG group needs to help facilitate and make their shots--Larkin can be a spark athletic PG type off the bench.

Bargs and Amare to score well/yet also defend their positions the best they have in their careres, wouldnt both have to defend centers then? Is there minutes for that? I'm still trying to figure out how the Knicks can give both of these guys 20+ minutes and still field a team that can win. Im not sure thats possible

Bargs has been a net negative his entire career, even the seasons he scored 20+ PPG. Im not holding my breath and he should get 0 minutes per game barring a Zen master induced miracle on the court.


Seems to me that the way you make i work is to have a solid defensive player on the court with Amar'e or Bargs. You don't want to put them on the court at the same time. Bargs/Jason or Amar'e/Dalembert can work. The best minutes Bargs had were with KMart and one lineup with just him and with Shump at SF with JR. It only shows that it's possible for a coach to find a lineup that works with Bargs in it.


3 C. Anthony | A. Bargnani | R. Felton | K. Martin | I. Shumpert 145:51 +7.0
6 C. Anthony | A. Bargnani | R. Felton | I. Shumpert | J. Smith 126:11 +10.8

both show AB at Center and NOT PF
Which I always believed he was best utilized at C and useless at PF without an athletic/mobile/versatile BIG


ONE showing CA at PF and NOT SF
While I believe PF was his best position, he may prove me wrong with this weight loss

and

ACCEPT a system/role and willingless TO CHANGE HIS WAYS

ONE showing Kmart
Kmart is the PF, PF/C that is mobile/athletic (still despite his age and is a good 1v1 defender but undersized, though a good help defender, and a under rated PnR player and PASSER

Now go back to the chicken and egg, can we play with a C that cannot rebound with consistency
and/or
CA at PF when he is not a shot blocker, horrible HELP defender/ average 1v1 defender at best when committed
When at SF, he lacks the quickness to defend shooters, and even worse on talents that could shoot and penetrate off the drible, hoping his weight loss changes this

I don't care whether it is on DEF or OFF, it should never be played upon 1-2 or even just 3 players, it is a losing recipe
ALL 5 players must be threats on both ends, especially on DEF, though one may be weaker

However, on OFF, 3 players can be used to

INITIATE an OFFENSE, as the other 2 are FILL INS/ROLE PLAYERS, PLAYING off the other 3 talents, THUS THE TRIANGLE
We don't have a SHAQ, Jordan, Pippen, or even Kobe, DOMINANT scorers that can score in high % shots with consistency to initiate our OFFENSE
While CA can have great games, he is far from "DOMINCANT"

The ability to play ON and OFF the ball are both needed on these roles, with the ability/willingless to read the opponents DEF and attack together, as well as recoginzing the more favoritable match ups


To get away with Bargs at the 5 wouldnt u need a pogo stick 4 that can defend rebound and block shots, wheres that guy on the Knicks, he doesnt exist
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8/19/2014  1:02 AM
Jmpasq wrote:To get away with Bargs at the 5 wouldnt u need a pogo stick 4 that can defend rebound and block shots, wheres that guy on the Knicks, he doesnt exist

You have no idea what the Knicks defensive scheme will be. The scheme Woody employed may have made it seem necessary to have a super active center fielder type of defender. It's possible that the way the teach the Knicks to defend might be more effective. We had good defense when Bargs was in there and had KMart as well, but also when they just had Shump and JR in a lineup with Bargs at C they had a +10.8 for the minutes they played together. So it's indeed possible to play good D. What made it seem so bad was the amount of time Woody had really bad lineups out there that didn't work offensively or defensively. With Bargs at C for a good stretch the team held opponents to 80,85,92,92 and 96. So it is indeed possible to play good D with Bargs in the mix at Center.

Now we have Jason and Acy as a couple of guys who are a bit more active. Still until we see what the defensive scheme is we won't know what is necessary for them to defend well. They may use more zones. We just don't know yet.

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8/19/2014  11:02 AM
For this team to do well JR Smith is got to take his mental and game approach to a higher level. I can't stand JR but I truly believe that he holds the key to the season. JR when his head is on straight is the best all around player on the Knicks. Shooting, Passing and good rebounding from the SG position. I can even see him playing guard in the Triangle system.
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8/19/2014  11:33 AM
Vmart wrote:For this team to do well JR Smith is got to take his mental and game approach to a higher level. I can't stand JR but I truly believe that he holds the key to the season. JR when his head is on straight is the best all around player on the Knicks. Shooting, Passing and good rebounding from the SG position. I can even see him playing guard in the Triangle system.

I think the best thing to happen to JR is Phil and Fish being here. He needs to be taught how to play REAL BB and not this freelance crap he's been playing. When JR can play within a team concept and use his talents to do more than just score, he's gonna finally maximize his talent.

The Triangle will basically force JR to have to learn and execute REAL BB skills and principles. Every day in practice he'll be learning how to see the game and eventually anticipate what his next move should be WITHIN a team concept. I think he's the kind of player that needs a system in order to really excel. It limits his choices to mostly small amount of good choices. It makes the game easier for him when he has clear direction of what to do when the defense does this or that. Those rules make it better for his teammates too since they'll know what to expect from him. The same goes for all the players of course, but with JR's talent it can really boost this team's chances for a good season.

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