Silverfuel wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:what? No discount for the team? Another prick.

he obviously is selfish, is right now counting his money and is laughing at the fans. I can tell you what he's NOT thinking about... winning. He could care less about that.

Exactly- if he really cared about winning he would have either said he'd only re-sign with the Cavs, or he would waited until the offseason and just signed with them outright, and then the Cavs wouldn't have had to part with valuable assets- I won't forgive him for this for the next 5 years!!!!

Haha. This is exactly what people are killing Melo about and we gave up much less for Melo. Melo is better than Love so in hindsight the Melo deal looks even better now. Seriously, Bosh gets 118, Love gets 120 and Melo is at 124. Seems to me like like all superstars take the money thats coming to them. This BS about selectively calling Melo selfish is being exposed as BS.

lebron is making 21.1 per for two years
irving is making 18 for 5 years
love is making a ton of money that is true.

which team is closer to a championship title, the knicks or cleveland?

here come the crickets and bullfrogs

H1AND1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:what? No discount for the team? Another prick.

he obviously is selfish, is right now counting his money and is laughing at the fans. I can tell you what he's NOT thinking about... winning. He could care less about that.

Exactly- if he really cared about winning he would have either said he'd only re-sign with the Cavs, or he would waited until the offseason and just signed with them outright, and then the Cavs wouldn't have had to part with valuable assets- I won't forgive him for this for the next 5 years!!!!

Haha. This is exactly what people are killing Melo about and we gave up much less for Melo. Melo is better than Love so in hindsight the Melo deal looks even better now. Seriously, Bosh gets 118, Love gets 120 and Melo is at 124. Seems to me like like all superstars take the money thats coming to them. This BS about selectively calling Melo selfish is being exposed as BS.

lebron is making 21.1 per for two years
irving is making 18 for 5 years
love is making a ton of money that is true.

which team is closer to a championship title, the knicks or cleveland?

here come the crickets and bullfrogs

Cleveland is closer, of course! They have Lebron.

Does Love on that Cavs team w/o Lebron make them a contender? Nope. They are in the east so a playoff team for sure but let's be serious Lebron is the ultimate piece that turns any team into a contender and is the ultimate glue guy to boot.

So the comparison would work if Lebron wasn't there and love forced Cleveland to gut the team and sign a max to teamed up with a talented but still flawed Irving

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:How is this a great deal for the cavs, they essentially give up 3 first roundndrs, for 1 first rounder..great deal for mini

...because not all first round picks/first overall picks are considered equal. Would you be upset if a team had and gave up Andrea Bargnani, Greg Oden and filler for Kevin Love?

they are considered equal until they arent. Wiggins is regarded as cant miss at the top of the one of the deepest drafts in a decade and Bennet is 21 and had a rough rookie season. Your going to tell me Wiggins isnt one of the best prospects in the game right now? Oden might have been ranked up there before he got hurt but Bargs never was.

I just wanted to make the point that being a first round pick, in and of itself, does not mean anything. You have to delve deeper. I personally think that Andrew Wiggins has legitimate star potential but let's not try to equate his status with Anthony Bennett and whoever the 3rd player is that knicks1248 is suggesting, or for that matter, Kevin Love. Because at the moment, I doubt Bennett can get you much on his own beyond a 2nd round pick and an expirer. This deal is being made because of Wiggins and I think that it's a fair deal, considering the circumstances.

I prefer depth, this is sports and injuries are an absolute given..

The Nuggets have depth. They also are not going to be making it out of the first round anytime soon. With the way the West is, they might not even make the playoffs for the foreseeable future. Depth has a role to play in a team's success but I'd say that the quality of talent in your starting 5 is more essential. You notice how real title contenders all have at least 2 stars capable of carrying a team?

True, but stars require role players, and when your thin on proper role players, your no better then a team with one star.

You saw it with miami, wade gets hurt, and he's half of the player he once was, and since they don't have legit depth, there just contenders, with a slim chance at winning it all.

thats why I like what phil is doing, he's putting together solid role players, youth, and depth, then try and grab another legit star nect season, as oppose to trading all your depth, for 2 more stars, and be assed out if one gets hurt

I can't knock the formula. It's what the Celtics did to inevitably form their Big 3 in '08. But the Heat/Lakers proved you can add your stars first and then have the chips fall where they may. I think it all comes down to circumstance and with the plethora of lame-duck picks that the Cavs have made, I don't blame them for jumping at the chance to get Kevin Love especially with LeBron in tow.

smackeddog wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:what? No discount for the team? Another prick.

he obviously is selfish, is right now counting his money and is laughing at the fans. I can tell you what he's NOT thinking about... winning. He could care less about that.

Exactly- if he really cared about winning he would have either said he'd only re-sign with the Cavs, or he would waited until the offseason and just signed with them outright, and then the Cavs wouldn't have had to part with valuable assets- I won't forgive him for this for the next 5 years!!!!

Haha. This is exactly what people are killing Melo about and we gave up much less for Melo. Melo is better than Love so in hindsight the Melo deal looks even better now. Seriously, Bosh gets 118, Love gets 120 and Melo is at 124. Seems to me like like all superstars take the money thats coming to them. This BS about selectively calling Melo selfish is being exposed as BS.

Wait a minute- so if the Cavs gave up more, that means that K Love is even WORSE a person than the evil Melo, who up until now was the evilest person on earth!

I think some of this board would say that I've got top billing in that race, lol.

PassTheBall wrote:Well it's either Waiters or Wiggins. If Wiggins can get you Love, you do it.

Waiters?

That cant even net shumpert

Silverfuel wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:what? No discount for the team? Another prick.

he obviously is selfish, is right now counting his money and is laughing at the fans. I can tell you what he's NOT thinking about... winning. He could care less about that.

Exactly- if he really cared about winning he would have either said he'd only re-sign with the Cavs, or he would waited until the offseason and just signed with them outright, and then the Cavs wouldn't have had to part with valuable assets- I won't forgive him for this for the next 5 years!!!!

Haha. This is exactly what people are killing Melo about and we gave up much less for Melo. Melo is better than Love so in hindsight the Melo deal looks even better now. Seriously, Bosh gets 118, Love gets 120 and Melo is at 124. Seems to me like like all superstars take the money thats coming to them. This BS about selectively calling Melo selfish is being exposed as BS.

lebron is making 21.1 per for two years
irving is making 18 for 5 years
love is making a ton of money that is true.

which team is closer to a championship title, the knicks or cleveland?

here come the crickets and bullfrogs

Cleveland is closer, of course! They have Lebron.

Does Love on that Cavs team w/o Lebron make them a contender? Nope. They are in the east so a playoff team for sure but let's be serious Lebron is the ultimate piece that turns any team into a contender and is the ultimate glue guy to boot.

Now we need to consider the context and other players salaries? Its OK not to consider context when saying we missed the playoffs last year and that's Melo's fault. Yeah, he is a ball hog with no one to pass the ball to. No context necessary. No one wants to bring up Amare's or Andrea's salary or what Donnie Walsh did with Zach Randolph and David Lee. Lets blame Melo for everything and not consider context or those circumstances. Mike D'Antoni sucked in NY but that was Melo's fault. No context necessary there. Gallo is injury prone. That's Melo's fault!!

If sane people decide point out that every single superstar FA has taken the money they can get and that doesn't single out Melo, then its time to change the conversation. Cleveland is closer to winning a championship so its OK for Kevin Love to expect the max. But a superstar decides to stay in our city and he is evil because he didn't give up one meal a day? What the actual **** is wrong with these people?! Some of these hypocrites argued with me when I brought up Allan Houston's contract in threads 10 years ago. Nothing but trolls running this forum now. They take over every thread and spread their negativity.

how can context/situation/circumstance NOT play into the building of a champion? come on dude use your head! if melo proves he's worth the money this season then everybody wins. if he doesn't then, well....

melo helped create the very context we are talking about. if he didn't then i guess you believe he is an innocent and passive victim of circumstance. well which is it? and if it's in between then what percentage is he responsible for?

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:what? No discount for the team? Another prick.

he obviously is selfish, is right now counting his money and is laughing at the fans. I can tell you what he's NOT thinking about... winning. He could care less about that.

Exactly- if he really cared about winning he would have either said he'd only re-sign with the Cavs, or he would waited until the offseason and just signed with them outright, and then the Cavs wouldn't have had to part with valuable assets- I won't forgive him for this for the next 5 years!!!!

Yep. Not about winning and there isn't even a labor stoppage being threatened by owners where they are going to rein in free agency.