CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:There's no Knick hate.

Maybe certain players aren't a fancy but no hate besides what you're fabricating

I think the whole league got better personally.

It's going to be tough for every team to win, I see more parity

Some fans didn't want Felton as a replacement for Lin.

They wanted different, if/////via trade was an option

Were they wrong?

Were they Knick hating, or did they not like Felton before, during, and after being a Knick

Keep it basketball, not personal.

Maybe we can go places, learn about not only our team but the league and it's evolution

its not personal at all... You said Knicks would win what? 32-34 games? So after what happened last year how do you have them losing more games than they lost last year? When you say the whole league got better.... do you mean every team but the Knicks? Your posting alot.. just trying to get your meaning.

If it's not personal///why the lumping of posters to another?

I get generalizing opinion of stance to a group but when you single out, you're welcoming posted paybacks

Yes the whole league got better but we didn't get better enough to move from our 37win total.

The bottom half is where the main problem lies with competition

Philly is not going to lose 63gms

Bucks are not going to lose 67gms

Cleveland is not going to lose 49gms

Orlando is not going to lose 59gms

Boston is not going to lose 57gms

Detroit is not going to lose 53gms

Utah is not going to lose 57gms

Lakers are not going to lose 55gms

Pelicans are not going to lose 48gms

Denver is not going to lose 46gms

I see at least 6-12gm win increases with these teams. 1-2 would increase their margin by more than 12

2 teams who more than likely have no major movement compared to last season are Wolves[unless they make a trade] and Knicks.

Both could be 2-3gms better at best, more than likely worse

Primarily because of mediocre results.

It's really difficult to show major progress from mediocre when we didn't do enough to change in the off season

I disagree. Could more have gone wrong last year. Stability and a front office and coach on the same page gets three more wins minimally. Health, roster changes/upgrades and a lack of dysfunction and a trading of the saboteur should push the Knicks to at least 45 wins. I think they get at least 48 wins next year.

mreinman wrote:what are the //// supposed to mean?

"Some fans didn't want Felton as a replacement for Lin.
They wanted different, if/////via trade was an option"

In the context of what was being explained, I think it means any other PG we might have wanted- "If 'player X' via trade was an option."

...unless he was drunk or nodding off...

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:what are the //// supposed to mean?

"Some fans didn't want Felton as a replacement for Lin.
They wanted different, if/////via trade was an option"

In the context of what was being explained, I think it means any other PG we might have wanted- "If 'player X' via trade was an option."

...unless he was drunk or nodding off...

Naaah simply using forward slashes instead of periods .... /////

You say Tomato, I say Tomotto

It's twisted I know but let me be twisted

tj23 wrote:Tyson's D has been trash for 2 years. I think Cole is bad on the offensive end but he actually has energy on D. Tyson has been so lackluster it's sad. He really wasn't much better than Amare even. He looked frustrated and hated the switching but he was one of the main culprits. Major addition by subtraction.

Totally agree.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Not a fan of Dalambert. I remember Sixers fans used to HATE him- and that was when he was at his peak! Also he got suspended/ benched a couple of times last season, I think for sleeping in/being late. However lets be honest, Tyson last year became useless- a chemistry killer, he quit on the coach, didn't follow our schemes and blamed everyone else but himself, and stopped even trying on defense. I know Woody was awful, but Tyson played an important role in that disaster of a season.

your right. And the guys who watched the games know this. The guys who look at stats and think tyson is still the guy who won a title with Dallas think otherwise. Its silly.

your right about the Sam and Philly, but they expected him to be the next Ratliff/Mutumbo and he just isnt that caliber of player. He was a late first rounder I believe who turned into a hell of a shot blocker. Good rebounded, but dope on offense and not the most warm and fuzzy chap.

He's a stop guy for us and will be challenged by Cole and Smith for minutes. Let the best big get the minutes.

Do you check stats/advanced metrics or do you just rely on your eyes?

His eyes.
Well he also cites the +/- stats whenever they support his pre-existing beliefs.

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Not a fan of Dalambert. I remember Sixers fans used to HATE him- and that was when he was at his peak! Also he got suspended/ benched a couple of times last season, I think for sleeping in/being late. However lets be honest, Tyson last year became useless- a chemistry killer, he quit on the coach, didn't follow our schemes and blamed everyone else but himself, and stopped even trying on defense. I know Woody was awful, but Tyson played an important role in that disaster of a season.

your right. And the guys who watched the games know this. The guys who look at stats and think tyson is still the guy who won a title with Dallas think otherwise. Its silly.

your right about the Sam and Philly, but they expected him to be the next Ratliff/Mutumbo and he just isnt that caliber of player. He was a late first rounder I believe who turned into a hell of a shot blocker. Good rebounded, but dope on offense and not the most warm and fuzzy chap.

He's a stop guy for us and will be challenged by Cole and Smith for minutes. Let the best big get the minutes.

Do you check stats/advanced metrics or do you just rely on your eyes?

His eyes.
Well he also cites the +/- stats whenever they support his pre-existing beliefs.

really? you talk for me now?
So you add no insight, only quote #s, dont really watch much basketball (I mean who needs too.. the #s tell you what you need to know) and now your speaking for me. Dude... go away. I know when folks dont play sports, or have never really competed on any athletic level you may seek to understand these games through #s, but dont project your supposed insights on me. Im capable having a conversation without your help.

I think the biggest question mark this team has - and no stat can ever measure this quality- is leadership and the will to win.

Who has it?

I think our 50 win team had it with J Kidd, and last year, Melo put up fantastic numbers, but we struggled.

I have to believe that Phil Jackson by his mere presence, and Derek Fisher, will move the needle far in the correct direction of leadership and the will to win.

Will that be enough? No stat can capture this except wins or losses. And until this group laces up and battles 82 games, we don't know what the result will be.

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Not a fan of Dalambert. I remember Sixers fans used to HATE him- and that was when he was at his peak! Also he got suspended/ benched a couple of times last season, I think for sleeping in/being late. However lets be honest, Tyson last year became useless- a chemistry killer, he quit on the coach, didn't follow our schemes and blamed everyone else but himself, and stopped even trying on defense. I know Woody was awful, but Tyson played an important role in that disaster of a season.

your right. And the guys who watched the games know this. The guys who look at stats and think tyson is still the guy who won a title with Dallas think otherwise. Its silly.

your right about the Sam and Philly, but they expected him to be the next Ratliff/Mutumbo and he just isnt that caliber of player. He was a late first rounder I believe who turned into a hell of a shot blocker. Good rebounded, but dope on offense and not the most warm and fuzzy chap.

He's a stop guy for us and will be challenged by Cole and Smith for minutes. Let the best big get the minutes.

Do you check stats/advanced metrics or do you just rely on your eyes?

His eyes.
Well he also cites the +/- stats whenever they support his pre-existing beliefs.

really? you talk for me now?
So you add no insight, only quote #s, dont really watch much basketball (I mean who needs too.. the #s tell you what you need to know) and now your speaking for me. Dude... go away. I know when folks dont play sports, or have never really competed on any athletic level you may seek to understand these games through #s, but dont project your supposed insights on me. Im capable having a conversation without your help.

I think the biggest question mark this team has - and no stat can ever measure this quality- is leadership and the will to win.

Who has it?

I think our 50 win team had it with J Kidd, and last year, Melo put up fantastic numbers, but we struggled.

I have to believe that Phil Jackson by his mere presence, and Derek Fisher, will move the needle far in the correct direction of leadership and the will to win.

Will that be enough? No stat can capture this except wins or losses. And until this group laces up and battles 82 games, we don't know what the result will be.

But guy would rather drone on and on about the travesty of giving a max contract to a max player, or how bad our new PGs defense is after starting on a 50 team in the West, or how literally every team in the NBA got better... I dont expect everyone to drink koolaid but the stuff some of these guys harp about makes me wonder why the follow the sport at all.

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I think I am in the minority here, but I think Big Sam will be traded or cut soon.

I don't think he gets cut and I do think the Knicks need him. But he does have a unique contract where a lot of his salary comes off of a teams cap number if he is cut. It might make him a valuable guy in a trade.