Dagger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:WIN THE ATLANTIC DIVISION!!!

They just need to buy into the system and play team oriented BB and they should have a shot to win this div. Toronto won 48 games last year to win the Div. I don't think they will be unbeatable this year. Knicks closed the season 16-7 in March and April last year. Knicks were 10-6 vs the Atlantic last year. IMO this team can be much better than last year when they lost so many games in the 4th qtr that were winnable if they simply play smart BB. They literally pissed away a good 10 games just being stupid. 46-50 games should win the Atlantic this year.

I tend to agree but every season has its own set of challenges. I to think the Knicks *can* win the division, but that doesnt mean they will or they should.

I agree 100% with Vmart's comments on Amare, and if he can give anything he will. He finished the season very strong last year. 26 games post all star he put up 15/6 and shot 57%. If we could get close to that kind of EF% from him it would be a huge help. Im not holding out much hope for Bargs.

Amare gives up far more than he gets. Just looking at his offensive stats does not tell the story.

So unfortunately, I think that the knicks will be a better team with him occupying the IR.

I understand you dont like him, but thats just not accurate. Knicks need some high % scorers. Amare brings that. Especially off the bench.

Yeah but what he's saying is amare is so bad on defense that he gives up more points than he gets even if he is efficient. He also mucks up the offense because he never passes and always goes 1 on 3 forcing the issue which is why he gets more shots blocked and TOs than he should.

He also gets to the line more then any player not name melo (and he's in the bottom half of minutes played), I seriously doubts he goes 1 on 3, cause he doesnt hold the ball and wait for the double like melo.

I also don't recalled opposing bigs having big games agaisnt him on a nightly basis, his help defense is horrible, but his man defense is reasonable.

He'wasn't the one getting lit up by every pg in the league, oh wait a minute, with the amount of switching we did, maybe he was.

Once again another poster who judges a player not the sysytem

Check yourself, I always talked about what I disliked about Woodson's coaching. I'm well aware he was a big part of the problem, and if you took the time to read what other people say, maybe you wouldn't be making wild generalizations that have no basis in reality.

If you doubt he goes 1-on-3 maybe watch some games... I mean there's no retort to that, he forced it a ton and if you didn't see it I honestly have a hard time believing you were watching closely.

This is from 2013/14 season

knicks1248 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:WIN THE ATLANTIC DIVISION!!!

They just need to buy into the system and play team oriented BB and they should have a shot to win this div. Toronto won 48 games last year to win the Div. I don't think they will be unbeatable this year. Knicks closed the season 16-7 in March and April last year. Knicks were 10-6 vs the Atlantic last year. IMO this team can be much better than last year when they lost so many games in the 4th qtr that were winnable if they simply play smart BB. They literally pissed away a good 10 games just being stupid. 46-50 games should win the Atlantic this year.

I tend to agree but every season has its own set of challenges. I to think the Knicks *can* win the division, but that doesnt mean they will or they should.

I agree 100% with Vmart's comments on Amare, and if he can give anything he will. He finished the season very strong last year. 26 games post all star he put up 15/6 and shot 57%. If we could get close to that kind of EF% from him it would be a huge help. Im not holding out much hope for Bargs.

Amare gives up far more than he gets. Just looking at his offensive stats does not tell the story.

So unfortunately, I think that the knicks will be a better team with him occupying the IR.

I understand you dont like him, but thats just not accurate. Knicks need some high % scorers. Amare brings that. Especially off the bench.

Yeah but what he's saying is amare is so bad on defense that he gives up more points than he gets even if he is efficient. He also mucks up the offense because he never passes and always goes 1 on 3 forcing the issue which is why he gets more shots blocked and TOs than he should.

He also gets to the line more then any player not name melo (and he's in the bottom half of minutes played), I seriously doubts he goes 1 on 3, cause he doesnt hold the ball and wait for the double like melo.

I also don't recalled opposing bigs having big games agaisnt him on a nightly basis, his help defense is horrible, but his man defense is reasonable.

He'wasn't the one getting lit up by every pg in the league, oh wait a minute, with the amount of switching we did, maybe he was.

Once again another poster who judges a player not the sysytem

Check yourself, I always talked about what I disliked about Woodson's coaching. I'm well aware he was a big part of the problem, and if you took the time to read what other people say, maybe you wouldn't be making wild generalizations that have no basis in reality.

If you doubt he goes 1-on-3 maybe watch some games... I mean there's no retort to that, he forced it a ton and if you didn't see it I honestly have a hard time believing you were watching closely.

This is from 2013/14 season

This is the Amare that we have come to love:

fishmike wrote:1) establish a style of play
2) make the playoffs (low seeded one and done is fine)
3) hope that from this group of players: (Early, THjr, Larkin, Thanos, Cole, Ellington) that TWO of them emerge as solid NBA starters. Not stars, just quality rotation guys that thrive in the system and are cheap labor.
4) pump and dump Shump. I believe he can be good, but he's very low IQ player in a contract year. Get him playing well and move him come Christmas for any first round pick or better
5) keep Melo's minutes in mid 30s... 32-35mpg. Avoid tempation to ride him all game if other players are strugling.
6) Get what you can from Amare/Bargs but barring an incredible opportunitiy in the trade market avoid tempation to use the expiring contracts for pedestrian upgrades.

Go into the 2015 offseason with $20mm + in cap space. A winning (thats +.500) team. Two first round picks (ours and some pick in the late 20s for Shump) we can use to target quality college players with skill sets that can help quickly. Early is a good example. Landry Fields would be another (remember he was pretty good before getting hurt all the time). Those kind of guys.

If you can move JR's expiring deal and clear out a litle more space you could split your cap space between offers to Rondo and DeAndre Jordan. Not max deals, but big contracts silimar to what we offered Tyson. If those guys are gone hopefully the cap space gives us the flexibility to make other deals, sign and trades, etc

I believe with this new management the future can be very bright indeed. With the who makes buckets back and the SL kids looking promising Im already enjoying the process.

Good post. I would add Melo needs to take on mentoring role for the kids as well. They will look up to him and he needs to look out for his teammates and have their back.

I definetly prefer not trading Amare and Bargs and just letting them expire.

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:1) establish a style of play
2) make the playoffs (low seeded one and done is fine)
3) hope that from this group of players: (Early, THjr, Larkin, Thanos, Cole, Ellington) that TWO of them emerge as solid NBA starters. Not stars, just quality rotation guys that thrive in the system and are cheap labor.
4) pump and dump Shump. I believe he can be good, but he's very low IQ player in a contract year. Get him playing well and move him come Christmas for any first round pick or better
5) keep Melo's minutes in mid 30s... 32-35mpg. Avoid tempation to ride him all game if other players are strugling.
6) Get what you can from Amare/Bargs but barring an incredible opportunitiy in the trade market avoid tempation to use the expiring contracts for pedestrian upgrades.

Go into the 2015 offseason with $20mm + in cap space. A winning (thats +.500) team. Two first round picks (ours and some pick in the late 20s for Shump) we can use to target quality college players with skill sets that can help quickly. Early is a good example. Landry Fields would be another (remember he was pretty good before getting hurt all the time). Those kind of guys.

If you can move JR's expiring deal and clear out a litle more space you could split your cap space between offers to Rondo and DeAndre Jordan. Not max deals, but big contracts silimar to what we offered Tyson. If those guys are gone hopefully the cap space gives us the flexibility to make other deals, sign and trades, etc

I believe with this new management the future can be very bright indeed. With the who makes buckets back and the SL kids looking promising Im already enjoying the process.

You had me until you used "Landry Fields" and "pretty good" in the same sentence.

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:1) establish a style of play
2) make the playoffs (low seeded one and done is fine)
3) hope that from this group of players: (Early, THjr, Larkin, Thanos, Cole, Ellington) that TWO of them emerge as solid NBA starters. Not stars, just quality rotation guys that thrive in the system and are cheap labor.
4) pump and dump Shump. I believe he can be good, but he's very low IQ player in a contract year. Get him playing well and move him come Christmas for any first round pick or better
5) keep Melo's minutes in mid 30s... 32-35mpg. Avoid tempation to ride him all game if other players are strugling.
6) Get what you can from Amare/Bargs but barring an incredible opportunitiy in the trade market avoid tempation to use the expiring contracts for pedestrian upgrades.

Go into the 2015 offseason with $20mm + in cap space. A winning (thats +.500) team. Two first round picks (ours and some pick in the late 20s for Shump) we can use to target quality college players with skill sets that can help quickly. Early is a good example. Landry Fields would be another (remember he was pretty good before getting hurt all the time). Those kind of guys.

If you can move JR's expiring deal and clear out a litle more space you could split your cap space between offers to Rondo and DeAndre Jordan. Not max deals, but big contracts silimar to what we offered Tyson. If those guys are gone hopefully the cap space gives us the flexibility to make other deals, sign and trades, etc

I believe with this new management the future can be very bright indeed. With the who makes buckets back and the SL kids looking promising Im already enjoying the process.

You had me until you used "Landry Fields" and "pretty good" in the same sentence.

haha... he had a great rookie year. about 10ppg, 6rpg shot close to 50%, played D. He was a nice piece. Then he broke down. He's had a Camby like made of glass type run since that rookie deal. Only point was has overlooked as a 4 year college player with limited upside but showed his rookie season he could come in and play right away. Out of the box though he was very solid.

Limited upside? He had the ugliest jumper since Oakley and Ken Bannister. Sorry, but I will never forget watching him try to "think" the ball into the hoop. Only thing more painful than Landry's wide open j was Tony Douglas' pointless drives to the baseline. And even that was a close call.

You really count starting over/playing right away with the likes of Bill Walker, Andy Rautins, Roger Mason and the aforementioned Tony D a great accomplishment?

The best part of Landry's game was the Andy/Landry show and the pre-game nerd ritual with Lin.

I will no be moved.

Ease up.