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7/13/2014  3:15 PM
nixluva wrote:Melo is back... GREAT. Who the heck cares about his max contract? The guys crying about his contract are WAY off. He's a guy that teams in contention were all willing to pay as much as they could offer. He clearly was considered a difference maker. Now that we have a system that is proven to be effective, Melo will have more value to this franchise. Melo is not much different than a Kobe or Jordan in this same system. Volume scorers who excelled in this system. His game may not be a perfect match for those great players, but he's not far off.

We have our cap situation in order. We have picks now and going forward. We have young assets still in place. We have a united front office. YES the Knicks are back. If a fan can't see the difference between how we're setup now compared to the recent past they really are lost. This is better than Walsh/MDA with Dolan interfering. This is better than Grunwald/Woodson with Dolan interfering. Phil is putting things in place and has a real plan for rebuilding this franchise that you can see already. This doesn't guarantee a title, but at least we're making smart moves now.

I will have some of whatever you are drinking...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/13/2014  3:21 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:Shump, Hardaway, Larkin, Thanasis, Early, Cole, and maybe Tyler on the 15 man roster. That is a lot of youth for a team that has traded away so many draft picks.

what good is a lot of youth if none of them are any good? you have to hope they are good and right now only THJ resembles a rotatation player and if shump could ever come back around, outside of that a lot of this looks like bench fodder...


It's hard to say just yet how these young players will develop. I think Early is already showing he will be a legit NBA rotation player. Larkin has a chance to be a decent change of pace PG. Thanasis has NBA level defense already, but just needs to learn how to control his aggression and continue to develop his offense. Cole is a solid looking big that we can depend on to rebound and defend. I see nothing wrong with believing in our youth at all. Like most young players they need more time and development. They now will have a system to grow into and that's a HUGE plus that can't be overlooked.

You're gonna have to get used to this team looking like a real team as they continue to progress in the Triangle and playing unselfish BB. Don't get stuck in the past and all the dumb BB this team was allowed to play. Those days are over.
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7/13/2014  3:26 PM
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nixluva wrote:Melo is back... GREAT. Who the heck cares about his max contract? The guys crying about his contract are WAY off. He's a guy that teams in contention were all willing to pay as much as they could offer. He clearly was considered a difference maker. Now that we have a system that is proven to be effective, Melo will have more value to this franchise. Melo is not much different than a Kobe or Jordan in this same system. Volume scorers who excelled in this system. His game may not be a perfect match for those great players, but he's not far off.

We have our cap situation in order. We have picks now and going forward. We have young assets still in place. We have a united front office. YES the Knicks are back. If a fan can't see the difference between how we're setup now compared to the recent past they really are lost. This is better than Walsh/MDA with Dolan interfering. This is better than Grunwald/Woodson with Dolan interfering. Phil is putting things in place and has a real plan for rebuilding this franchise that you can see already. This doesn't guarantee a title, but at least we're making smart moves now.

I will have some of whatever you are drinking...


Only you and other self hating Knick fans could be so cynical in the face of the reputation Phil has with working with top scorers in this league. Melo can be better than he's been and part of that is getting the rest of the team to play ball at a higher level in a team oriented way. That will allow Melo to add his scoring ability and not have his teammates clueless as to what they should be doing. You seem to think this isn't possible, but it clearly has been possible over the course of Phil's career, so what do you have to rely on that it's not going to be the case here? Your own self hating Knick Fan negativity.
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7/13/2014  3:38 PM
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tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Shump, Hardaway, Larkin, Thanasis, Early, Cole, and maybe Tyler on the 15 man roster. That is a lot of youth for a team that has traded away so many draft picks.

what good is a lot of youth if none of them are any good? you have to hope they are good and right now only THJ resembles a rotatation player and if shump could ever come back around, outside of that a lot of this looks like bench fodder...


It's hard to say just yet how these young players will develop. I think Early is already showing he will be a legit NBA rotation player. Larkin has a chance to be a decent change of pace PG. Thanasis has NBA level defense already, but just needs to learn how to control his aggression and continue to develop his offense. Cole is a solid looking big that we can depend on to rebound and defend. I see nothing wrong with believing in our youth at all. Like most young players they need more time and development. They now will have a system to grow into and that's a HUGE plus that can't be overlooked.

You're gonna have to get used to this team looking like a real team as they continue to progress in the Triangle and playing unselfish BB. Don't get stuck in the past and all the dumb BB this team was allowed to play. Those days are over.

after a few summer league games how can you come to such conclusions? come on now.. what you are basically saying is what ever team with players in the summer league can say and could have said over the past 10 years...... Having some young guys on the roster doesn't give you "youth" and what I mean is Legit NBA youth... I hope Early is good but honestly what we have are a bunch of fringe NBA talent players and we hope a couple of them can pan out to be rotation players... anything more than that at this point is just pure homerism....

Let it play out first in real NBA games then you can start jumping over the moon with predicitions..

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7/13/2014  3:42 PM
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tkf wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo is back... GREAT. Who the heck cares about his max contract? The guys crying about his contract are WAY off. He's a guy that teams in contention were all willing to pay as much as they could offer. He clearly was considered a difference maker. Now that we have a system that is proven to be effective, Melo will have more value to this franchise. Melo is not much different than a Kobe or Jordan in this same system. Volume scorers who excelled in this system. His game may not be a perfect match for those great players, but he's not far off.

We have our cap situation in order. We have picks now and going forward. We have young assets still in place. We have a united front office. YES the Knicks are back. If a fan can't see the difference between how we're setup now compared to the recent past they really are lost. This is better than Walsh/MDA with Dolan interfering. This is better than Grunwald/Woodson with Dolan interfering. Phil is putting things in place and has a real plan for rebuilding this franchise that you can see already. This doesn't guarantee a title, but at least we're making smart moves now.

I will have some of whatever you are drinking...


Only you and other self hating Knick fans could be so cynical in the face of the reputation Phil has with working with top scorers in this league. Melo can be better than he's been and part of that is getting the rest of the team to play ball at a higher level in a team oriented way. That will allow Melo to add his scoring ability and not have his teammates clueless as to what they should be doing. You seem to think this isn't possible, but it clearly has been possible over the course of Phil's career, so what do you have to rely on that it's not going to be the case here? Your own self hating Knick Fan negativity.

carmelo best days are behind him.. he has fleeced the knicks for big money now its time for shouldergate and what he can do is sit back and say I don't have help and you and many other knicks apologist will ride that defense.... which is the only defense carmelo will employ in a knicks uniform as we know he doesn't play any on the court...

the knicks are no better than they were last year with his singing or any of these moves.. and i was willing to take steps back as long as it led to long term improvement... but this is business as usual for the knicks and the fans will be left out to dry again.. but not me... time to get off this broken bus.. you can stay on inhaling the fumes of this jalopy..... this signing was absolutely ridiculous..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/13/2014  4:27 PM
nixluva wrote:
tkf wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo is back... GREAT. Who the heck cares about his max contract? The guys crying about his contract are WAY off. He's a guy that teams in contention were all willing to pay as much as they could offer. He clearly was considered a difference maker. Now that we have a system that is proven to be effective, Melo will have more value to this franchise. Melo is not much different than a Kobe or Jordan in this same system. Volume scorers who excelled in this system. His game may not be a perfect match for those great players, but he's not far off.

We have our cap situation in order. We have picks now and going forward. We have young assets still in place. We have a united front office. YES the Knicks are back. If a fan can't see the difference between how we're setup now compared to the recent past they really are lost. This is better than Walsh/MDA with Dolan interfering. This is better than Grunwald/Woodson with Dolan interfering. Phil is putting things in place and has a real plan for rebuilding this franchise that you can see already. This doesn't guarantee a title, but at least we're making smart moves now.

I will have some of whatever you are drinking...


Only you and other self hating Knick fans could be so cynical in the face of the reputation Phil has with working with top scorers in this league. Melo can be better than he's been and part of that is getting the rest of the team to play ball at a higher level in a team oriented way. That will allow Melo to add his scoring ability and not have his teammates clueless as to what they should be doing. You seem to think this isn't possible, but it clearly has been possible over the course of Phil's career, so what do you have to rely on that it's not going to be the case here? Your own self hating Knick Fan negativity.
Someone is about to implode...

Nixliva your right. Some people can't get past the name on the back of the jersey, and assume if you dont hate him as they do you must ride his jock.

Melo is a nice piece, plain and simple. There is a reason teams are willing to dole out big cash for a scorer. He's an impact player. We need a lot more and I look forward to see Phil build this thing out.

It's funny. Knicks barely sniff the playoffs once in what? A dozen years? And now they post stuff like anything less than two conference finals in five years is a failure.

Eh.. To each his own. Let the tfks of the Internet spiral down and run amok. I'm looking forward to seeing this team built and coached by these guys.

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7/13/2014  4:46 PM
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mreinman wrote:
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Vmart wrote:I still think this team goes as far as Amare takes them. Its Amare's contract year and he is going to break out. Big question is will he be a Knick?

yeah - Amare is gonna kill it this year!

I vote for A.Bargnani. I think he is really going to excel under D.Fisher

I see them both making the all star team this year.

LOL.. I sense some sarcasm here, and if so, I completely understand.. last year I was told bargs was going to bring Hibbert away from the hoop. I was also told that he and beno would be one of the better pick and roll combos in the league.. so there is no surprise I am hearing more bargs resurgence talk..LOL.. I am with you..

Bargs=Allstar

Amare= Killing it

whats next?

YOu know, "melo is selfish, redue the denver years, "Shoulders", the salary we don't know yet, he taking candy from children, taking money from TKF's pocket, Bonns metrics, Jrod's sarcasm, Nalod's Nyet Preview, Tyler is God, CleMelo the next Melo, "Lin the Laker is No Vin Baker", and why Rambis is tainted!
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7/13/2014  5:15 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:Shump, Hardaway, Larkin, Thanasis, Early, Cole, and maybe Tyler on the 15 man roster. That is a lot of youth for a team that has traded away so many draft picks.

what good is a lot of youth if none of them are any good? you have to hope they are good and right now only THJ resembles a rotatation player and if shump could ever come back around, outside of that a lot of this looks like bench fodder...


You should watch the summer league games. Tyler looks like he might not make it and I think the Knicks should move on from shump. Thanasis, Early, Larkin and Cole all appear to have a bright future. Also, I watch the summer leagues and know that it doesn't translate to nba success. Just a little too early to make a judgement on guys that have looked good so far.
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7/13/2014  5:19 PM
babyKnicks wrote:Zoo, u see melo exclusively at the sf with early backing him up by mid season.

Start: Calderone, jr, melo, bargs, dalembert
Bench: amare, thjr, shump, alridge

I could go either with shump and jr starting. But thjr is making a strong push to be our starting 2 guard.

This team will allow the most point in NBA.
Probably the worst defensive team ever assembled...

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7/13/2014  5:22 PM
nixluva wrote:Melo is back... GREAT. Who the heck cares about his max contract? The guys crying about his contract are WAY off. He's a guy that teams in contention were all willing to pay as much as they could offer. He clearly was considered a difference maker. Now that we have a system that is proven to be effective, Melo will have more value to this franchise. Melo is not much different than a Kobe or Jordan in this same system. Volume scorers who excelled in this system. His game may not be a perfect match for those great players, but he's not far off.

We have our cap situation in order. We have picks now and going forward. We have young assets still in place. We have a united front office. YES the Knicks are back. If a fan can't see the difference between how we're setup now compared to the recent past they really are lost. This is better than Walsh/MDA with Dolan interfering. This is better than Grunwald/Woodson with Dolan interfering. Phil is putting things in place and has a real plan for rebuilding this franchise that you can see already. This doesn't guarantee a title, but at least we're making smart moves now.

Melo is not much different than a Kobe or Jordan in this same system

Wow... we should get 5 rings... The only problem Melo is more expensive that this 2 dudes.
But it's OK -dollars are inflated our days...
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7/13/2014  5:24 PM
I'm not projecting based solely on SL games. That games are just confirming what I felt about the talent we have to develop. Shump is still a young player who can EASILY find his game this year within a system that is designed to make things easier for role players. Who knows with Tyler. If at this point he is still a project we can surely afford to hang on to him and see how he develops. HE JUST TURNED 23!!! What the hell is wrong with people around here that they can't be even just a little patient with young players? Especially with the HORRID coaching and development we've had until now. Maybe Fish and Phil will do a much better job of developing our young players. Maybe they can do a good job like the Spurs have been doing. Can we give them a chance to actually work with the kids for more than a few weeks? GEEZ!!!
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7/13/2014  5:32 PM
fishmike wrote:
nixluva wrote:
tkf wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo is back... GREAT. Who the heck cares about his max contract? The guys crying about his contract are WAY off. He's a guy that teams in contention were all willing to pay as much as they could offer. He clearly was considered a difference maker. Now that we have a system that is proven to be effective, Melo will have more value to this franchise. Melo is not much different than a Kobe or Jordan in this same system. Volume scorers who excelled in this system. His game may not be a perfect match for those great players, but he's not far off.

We have our cap situation in order. We have picks now and going forward. We have young assets still in place. We have a united front office. YES the Knicks are back. If a fan can't see the difference between how we're setup now compared to the recent past they really are lost. This is better than Walsh/MDA with Dolan interfering. This is better than Grunwald/Woodson with Dolan interfering. Phil is putting things in place and has a real plan for rebuilding this franchise that you can see already. This doesn't guarantee a title, but at least we're making smart moves now.

I will have some of whatever you are drinking...


Only you and other self hating Knick fans could be so cynical in the face of the reputation Phil has with working with top scorers in this league. Melo can be better than he's been and part of that is getting the rest of the team to play ball at a higher level in a team oriented way. That will allow Melo to add his scoring ability and not have his teammates clueless as to what they should be doing. You seem to think this isn't possible, but it clearly has been possible over the course of Phil's career, so what do you have to rely on that it's not going to be the case here? Your own self hating Knick Fan negativity.
Someone is about to implode...

Nixliva your right. Some people can't get past the name on the back of the jersey, and assume if you dont hate him as they do you must ride his jock.

Melo is a nice piece, plain and simple. There is a reason teams are willing to dole out big cash for a scorer. He's an impact player. We need a lot more and I look forward to see Phil build this thing out.

It's funny. Knicks barely sniff the playoffs once in what? A dozen years? And now they post stuff like anything less than two conference finals in five years is a failure.

Eh.. To each his own. Let the tfks of the Internet spiral down and run amok. I'm looking forward to seeing this team built and coached by these guys.

Very true.
Zen, Fish and Co are important change, Melo is not important constant.
If they will not enable him to win in NBA he will sell tickets.
Melo is useful tool regardless. He can drop bakets!!!

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7/13/2014  6:02 PM
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:
nixluva wrote:
tkf wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo is back... GREAT. Who the heck cares about his max contract? The guys crying about his contract are WAY off. He's a guy that teams in contention were all willing to pay as much as they could offer. He clearly was considered a difference maker. Now that we have a system that is proven to be effective, Melo will have more value to this franchise. Melo is not much different than a Kobe or Jordan in this same system. Volume scorers who excelled in this system. His game may not be a perfect match for those great players, but he's not far off.

We have our cap situation in order. We have picks now and going forward. We have young assets still in place. We have a united front office. YES the Knicks are back. If a fan can't see the difference between how we're setup now compared to the recent past they really are lost. This is better than Walsh/MDA with Dolan interfering. This is better than Grunwald/Woodson with Dolan interfering. Phil is putting things in place and has a real plan for rebuilding this franchise that you can see already. This doesn't guarantee a title, but at least we're making smart moves now.

I will have some of whatever you are drinking...


Only you and other self hating Knick fans could be so cynical in the face of the reputation Phil has with working with top scorers in this league. Melo can be better than he's been and part of that is getting the rest of the team to play ball at a higher level in a team oriented way. That will allow Melo to add his scoring ability and not have his teammates clueless as to what they should be doing. You seem to think this isn't possible, but it clearly has been possible over the course of Phil's career, so what do you have to rely on that it's not going to be the case here? Your own self hating Knick Fan negativity.
Someone is about to implode...

Nixliva your right. Some people can't get past the name on the back of the jersey, and assume if you dont hate him as they do you must ride his jock.

Melo is a nice piece, plain and simple. There is a reason teams are willing to dole out big cash for a scorer. He's an impact player. We need a lot more and I look forward to see Phil build this thing out.

It's funny. Knicks barely sniff the playoffs once in what? A dozen years? And now they post stuff like anything less than two conference finals in five years is a failure.

Eh.. To each his own. Let the tfks of the Internet spiral down and run amok. I'm looking forward to seeing this team built and coached by these guys.

Very true.
Zen, Fish and Co are important change, Melo is not important constant.
If they will not enable him to win in NBA he will sell tickets.
Melo is useful tool regardless. He can drop bakets!!!

Exactly. The poor culture and management where here long before Melo got here. His talent has helped add some wins. He's a nice piece to work with. It's a still a very top heavy roster. Will be interesting to see how they avoid riding him like prior staffs
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7/13/2014  6:40 PM
My guess for this year at least is to allow the triangle to create more scoring opps for the rest of the team. We had HORRID offensive balance last year and now at least there will be ball and player movement and real spacing. It may take time for the team to really get comfortable, but it's a better start towards real team play. Melo should be able to play carrying less of the load if he trusts the system and his teammates.
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nixluva wrote:My guess for this year at least is to allow the triangle to create more scoring opps for the rest of the team. We had HORRID offensive balance last year and now at least there will be ball and player movement and real spacing. It may take time for the team to really get comfortable, but it's a better start towards real team play. Melo should be able to play carrying less of the load if he trusts the system and his teammates.
Thank God we have Bargnani gonna be a beast
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nixluva wrote:My guess for this year at least is to allow the triangle to create more scoring opps for the rest of the team. We had HORRID offensive balance last year and now at least there will be ball and player movement and real spacing. It may take time for the team to really get comfortable, but it's a better start towards real team play. Melo should be able to play carrying less of the load if he trusts the system and his teammates.
Thank God we have Bargnani gonna be a beast

It would be nice if STAT and BARGS actually played better in this system. It should be much better since the post is such an integral part of the Triangle. Bigs get to touch the ball so much more and the guards don't get in the way they cut and give the big options to pass to and after than they can go to work in the post of pass out if doubled. It's a very clear set of rules for players to follow as opposed to the crap we ran under Woody last year.
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7/13/2014  8:00 PM
We got so much better just by getting rid of the 3 cancers on the team in Woodson ( worst coach in the nba) chandler(most over rated bad player in the league) and Felton (worst starting pg in the nba) Phil turned Tyson and Felton into : Larkin(serviceable backup)Jose(legit starting pg with vet leadership)Sammy( upgrade from Tyson and a nice back up)early(nice future and jumper)the Greek (great defense and future)and replacing Woodson with fisher is a huge upgrade !

C- cole(will be the talk of the town),Sammy,brags
Pf- amare(healthy),brags
Sf- melo,shump,early
Sg- jr,thjr,Ellington
Pg- Jose(will be way better then fatty), Larkin, Pablo

We also have some nice trade chips in shump,amare(expiring),brags( expiring),Larkin (nice young player), Jose ( team looking for vet pg), jr ( a very talented sg),thjr ( young and upcoming all star should be untouchable unless for the right piece), early ( nice extra piece)

Not only have we improved our roster big time (thank god we got rid of over rated Tyson flu and fatty)we've also created flexibility!

I'd say the Knicks are back in a big way! Wouldn't be shocked if we are top 4 in the east with around 50 wins! True New Yorkers bleed orange and blue and we've improved big time!
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