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7/12/2014  1:29 PM
How is it Phil's fault that he's coming into a messed up situation and is trying to fix it? He's trying to rehabilitate our reputation as a franchise of turmoil and failure. That is the only thing holding him back. If he had cap space and a successful franchise, there's no way he'd be having any issues getting his men. We have him at a disadvantage because of Dolan and the last 14 years.
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7/12/2014  1:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/12/2014  1:37 PM
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smackeddog wrote:If your expectations of Phil are to get every person he wants for every job he wants them to do, and for all players he wants to have on the roster to come here regardless of money, then I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed.

Uh, he's barely gotten any of the people for any of the jobs that he wants them to do aside from Derek Fisher....who was his 2nd choice. That was with him offering the same or comparable money. Hell, we still have our star dangling in the wind who Phil wants to keep. That's why I'm disappointed.

And he's hardly lucked out on many either- just Kerr. It will happen again- Phil is not a god, he doesn't control peoples minds- sometimes he will target someone for a job and they won't accept it, it doesn't mean he's a disaster, it happens to ever single GM. Lebron didn't return to Riley, Lowry wouldn't sign with the Heat for far less than the Raptors- does that mean Riley is crap?

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7/12/2014  1:36 PM
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NardDogNation wrote:It seems that everyone is all gravy and sunshine about the guy but the unfolding of events this offseason have been alarming to me. We've all talked about the lure of playing for Phil Jackson, myself included, but the hype has yet to intersect reality. How well did it work out in our pursuit of Steve Kerr?

Now, I'm starting to hear confirmations that Pau Gasol, an offseason target of ours, is taking a MLE offer from a Bulls team that can't offer him much more than we can. To add insult to injury, they'll still have Taj Gibson and are adding Nikola Mirotic, which leaves very little playing time for a player of his caliber.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't a big reason for acquiring Jose Calderon, was to serve as a lure for Pau Gasol because they were besties? So what happened to that plan exactly? Now with Pau Gasol in Chicago, who is going to lure Marc Gasol to New York in this ill-conceived, basketball rendition of Ocean's Eleven?

At this point, I'm not very impressed with the dude. If he can't get his own people that he's had years of rapport with, how the hell is he going go attract the Kevin Durant's, Anthony Davis' and the ever shrinking pool of superstars/inevitable superstars to New York? If you want to know why Carmelo hasn't re-signed yet, it probably would have something to do with that and the fact that a Jose Calderon is cause for celebration for this franchise.

They can offer 4 years 22.3 million , we can offer 3 years 10 million thats not much more?

*They can offer $22.3 over 4 at best. Best, as in "possible but not probable". I'd be highly surprised if Mirotic took the $4 million/yr to facilitate that best case scenario for Pau. After all, he just paid $3 million to buyout a contract that paid him about $7 million/yr. He wants to play for the Bulls but I don't think he's that charitable. Besides, we could give Pau Gasol a JR Smith type contract that allows him to opt out after the season. We'd have plenty of money to spend then and likely no takers. Overpay Pau in the first year of his new deal and then lower it accordingly in the 2nd.

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7/12/2014  1:47 PM
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azamatbagatov wrote:Same thing that Riley was in 2010.....without the huge amounts of cap space.

Oh noes!!!! Phil didn't fix one of the worst situations in the league in 4 1/2 months. I have my doubts!!

Reading comprehension is fundamental. I never suggested that Phil should've fixed this mess in 4.5 months. What I explicitly stated is that I'm concerned with his abilities and types of moves he has made thus far. You can go on your cute little rants to fit in with the "cool" kids but answer me this: if Phil can't get people he's had rapport with while offering them a deal no better or worse than competitors, what makes you think he'll be able to convince an all-star or superstar to come here who he has no rapport with and who will have a better offer from the hometeam? Bet you can't find a rationale explanation.

Dude, you do know that the Bulls have more cap space than we do to sign Gasol and that the actual rumor is about him being signed-and-traded for Boozer, which would be way, way more than the MLE. Wherever you got the idea he was signing with Chicago for the MLE, isn't really what the main media is reporting.

And your other argument about Kerr, its funny how you use him but don't mention how it was reported a difficult decision for Kerr and that his family triumphed Phil. Want to argue family vs. a past co-worker? Really? And what about Fisher? Forgot him already?

KC Johnson of the Chicago Tribune has suggested that it's a do-or-die situation with Pau Gasol to the Bulls. Yes, they are working sign and trade options but by no means is that guaranteed. He was specifically stated that Gasol is willing to sign for the MLE, in which case, that wouldn't be much more than what we can offer him. On top of that, even if he were sign and traded, he'd still be earning about the same because the Bulls intend to sign Nikola Mirotic. Let's presume they hypothetically move Carlos Boozer...that only opens up $11 million in cap space. Mirotic is going to get at least $4 million considering he just had to splurge $3 million on a buyout and passed up about $7 million per in Europe. That leaves about $7 million per for Gasol as a best case scenario. You don't think we can best that in 2015 with the amount of money we'll have at our disposal?

As for Kerr, the family excuse is tired. You don't think he knew the distance between the coasts during the 3 weeks of negotiates he had with Phil? A better team is ultimately what made his decision an easy one.

Dude, you pick up the story that best fits your argument and run away with it like they were facts just to accommodate your rant about a guy that is just starting his project of making the Knicks relevant again? Why don't you wait until Gasol signs for the MLE before jumping bridges? Right now most media report that Chicago is working a sign and trade. Even if they didn't, they still have enough cap to sign him straight to a 10mill+ deal, especially if they have moved on from Melo. So a reporter speculates on him signing for the MLE and you take that as gospel? Please

And then we move from "media speculation" to your opinion as a fact. A tired excuse? How old are you? Do you have a family? Do you know how important that is to someone? If you could do the work you love and closer to your home and family versus making your family move to the other coast of the nation for the job, what would you do? Kerr himself has said he was intrigued to work with Phil but his family won over when the GSW job surfaced. Believe whatever you want, but dont use your as fact to back up a bad argument.

Once again, if the Bulls offer Gasol the full $11 million/yr, they would only have the mini-MLE to offer Mirotic $3.3 per. I don't think the guy paid $3 million to buyout a $7 million/yr contract for the privilege of playing for the Bulls for free. The best thing you said so far is that we should wait for the details of the deal to be settled. We'll reconvene once that happens but I could guarantee that Pau is NOT getting $11 million/yr given the circumstances as they are.

As for Kerr, I don't buy his "family" argument. If his kids were in elementary school, junior high or even in the first few years of high school, then maybe. Two of his kids are in college and the third, from what I understand, is on his way to college. Those are adults, not children. And let's be honest, he had a professional career that had him bouncing around the league and country during their formative years and he seemed to be just fine doing it until he was 38 years old. I don't judge a man by his word, I just a man by his actions and I'm calling bull**** on that one.

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7/12/2014  1:48 PM
Nalod wrote:Not saying you agree with me, but its better than "dumbest thread ever".......

In fairness, I just said it was a candidate for worst of the year :)

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7/12/2014  1:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/12/2014  1:50 PM
smackeddog wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
smackeddog wrote:If your expectations of Phil are to get every person he wants for every job he wants them to do, and for all players he wants to have on the roster to come here regardless of money, then I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed.

Uh, he's barely gotten any of the people for any of the jobs that he wants them to do aside from Derek Fisher....who was his 2nd choice. That was with him offering the same or comparable money. Hell, we still have our star dangling in the wind who Phil wants to keep. That's why I'm disappointed.

And he's hardly lucked out on many either- just Kerr. It will happen again- Phil is not a god, he doesn't control peoples minds- sometimes he will target someone for a job and they won't accept it, it doesn't mean he's a disaster, it happens to ever single GM. Lebron didn't return to Riley, Lowry wouldn't sign with the Heat for far less than the Raptors- does that mean Riley is crap?

Dude, stop with the hyperbole. No where am I saying that Phil is an outright disaster. All I'm saying is that I'm concerned. You and the other members of the peanut gallery are acting like Phil is some kind of diety. Can no one question him?

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NardDogNation wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:Same thing that Riley was in 2010.....without the huge amounts of cap space.

Oh noes!!!! Phil didn't fix one of the worst situations in the league in 4 1/2 months. I have my doubts!!

Reading comprehension is fundamental. I never suggested that Phil should've fixed this mess in 4.5 months. What I explicitly stated is that I'm concerned with his abilities and types of moves he has made thus far. You can go on your cute little rants to fit in with the "cool" kids but answer me this: if Phil can't get people he's had rapport with while offering them a deal no better or worse than competitors, what makes you think he'll be able to convince an all-star or superstar to come here who he has no rapport with and who will have a better offer from the hometeam? Bet you can't find a rationale explanation.

Dude, you do know that the Bulls have more cap space than we do to sign Gasol and that the actual rumor is about him being signed-and-traded for Boozer, which would be way, way more than the MLE. Wherever you got the idea he was signing with Chicago for the MLE, isn't really what the main media is reporting.

And your other argument about Kerr, its funny how you use him but don't mention how it was reported a difficult decision for Kerr and that his family triumphed Phil. Want to argue family vs. a past co-worker? Really? And what about Fisher? Forgot him already?

KC Johnson of the Chicago Tribune has suggested that it's a do-or-die situation with Pau Gasol to the Bulls. Yes, they are working sign and trade options but by no means is that guaranteed. He was specifically stated that Gasol is willing to sign for the MLE, in which case, that wouldn't be much more than what we can offer him. On top of that, even if he were sign and traded, he'd still be earning about the same because the Bulls intend to sign Nikola Mirotic. Let's presume they hypothetically move Carlos Boozer...that only opens up $11 million in cap space. Mirotic is going to get at least $4 million considering he just had to splurge $3 million on a buyout and passed up about $7 million per in Europe. That leaves about $7 million per for Gasol as a best case scenario. You don't think we can best that in 2015 with the amount of money we'll have at our disposal?

As for Kerr, the family excuse is tired. You don't think he knew the distance between the coasts during the 3 weeks of negotiates he had with Phil? A better team is ultimately what made his decision an easy one.

Dude, you pick up the story that best fits your argument and run away with it like they were facts just to accommodate your rant about a guy that is just starting his project of making the Knicks relevant again? Why don't you wait until Gasol signs for the MLE before jumping bridges? Right now most media report that Chicago is working a sign and trade. Even if they didn't, they still have enough cap to sign him straight to a 10mill+ deal, especially if they have moved on from Melo. So a reporter speculates on him signing for the MLE and you take that as gospel? Please

And then we move from "media speculation" to your opinion as a fact. A tired excuse? How old are you? Do you have a family? Do you know how important that is to someone? If you could do the work you love and closer to your home and family versus making your family move to the other coast of the nation for the job, what would you do? Kerr himself has said he was intrigued to work with Phil but his family won over when the GSW job surfaced. Believe whatever you want, but dont use your as fact to back up a bad argument.

Once again, if the Bulls offer Gasol the full $11 million/yr, they would only have the mini-MLE to offer Mirotic $3.3 per. I don't think the guy paid $3 million to buyout a $7 million/yr contract for the privilege of playing for the Bulls for free. The best thing you said so far is that we should wait for the details of the deal to be settled. We'll reconvene once that happens but I could guarantee that Pau is NOT getting $11 million/yr given the circumstances as they are.

As for Kerr, I don't buy his "family" argument. If his kids were in elementary school, junior high or even in the first few years of high school, then maybe. Two of his kids are in college and the third, from what I understand, is on his way to college. Those are adults, not children. And let's be honest, he had a professional career that had him bouncing around the league and country during their formative years and he seemed to be just fine doing it until he was 38 years old. I don't judge a man by his word, I just a man by his actions and I'm calling bull**** on that one.

So what do you think of Riley not being able to get Lowry to sign with the Heat for less than the Raptors were offering? Or for failing to get Lebron to return?

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7/12/2014  1:50 PM
smackeddog wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
azamatbagatov wrote:Same thing that Riley was in 2010.....without the huge amounts of cap space.

Oh noes!!!! Phil didn't fix one of the worst situations in the league in 4 1/2 months. I have my doubts!!

Reading comprehension is fundamental. I never suggested that Phil should've fixed this mess in 4.5 months. What I explicitly stated is that I'm concerned with his abilities and types of moves he has made thus far. You can go on your cute little rants to fit in with the "cool" kids but answer me this: if Phil can't get people he's had rapport with while offering them a deal no better or worse than competitors, what makes you think he'll be able to convince an all-star or superstar to come here who he has no rapport with and who will have a better offer from the hometeam? Bet you can't find a rationale explanation.

Dude, you do know that the Bulls have more cap space than we do to sign Gasol and that the actual rumor is about him being signed-and-traded for Boozer, which would be way, way more than the MLE. Wherever you got the idea he was signing with Chicago for the MLE, isn't really what the main media is reporting.

And your other argument about Kerr, its funny how you use him but don't mention how it was reported a difficult decision for Kerr and that his family triumphed Phil. Want to argue family vs. a past co-worker? Really? And what about Fisher? Forgot him already?

KC Johnson of the Chicago Tribune has suggested that it's a do-or-die situation with Pau Gasol to the Bulls. Yes, they are working sign and trade options but by no means is that guaranteed. He was specifically stated that Gasol is willing to sign for the MLE, in which case, that wouldn't be much more than what we can offer him. On top of that, even if he were sign and traded, he'd still be earning about the same because the Bulls intend to sign Nikola Mirotic. Let's presume they hypothetically move Carlos Boozer...that only opens up $11 million in cap space. Mirotic is going to get at least $4 million considering he just had to splurge $3 million on a buyout and passed up about $7 million per in Europe. That leaves about $7 million per for Gasol as a best case scenario. You don't think we can best that in 2015 with the amount of money we'll have at our disposal?

As for Kerr, the family excuse is tired. You don't think he knew the distance between the coasts during the 3 weeks of negotiates he had with Phil? A better team is ultimately what made his decision an easy one.

Dude, you pick up the story that best fits your argument and run away with it like they were facts just to accommodate your rant about a guy that is just starting his project of making the Knicks relevant again? Why don't you wait until Gasol signs for the MLE before jumping bridges? Right now most media report that Chicago is working a sign and trade. Even if they didn't, they still have enough cap to sign him straight to a 10mill+ deal, especially if they have moved on from Melo. So a reporter speculates on him signing for the MLE and you take that as gospel? Please

And then we move from "media speculation" to your opinion as a fact. A tired excuse? How old are you? Do you have a family? Do you know how important that is to someone? If you could do the work you love and closer to your home and family versus making your family move to the other coast of the nation for the job, what would you do? Kerr himself has said he was intrigued to work with Phil but his family won over when the GSW job surfaced. Believe whatever you want, but dont use your as fact to back up a bad argument.

Once again, if the Bulls offer Gasol the full $11 million/yr, they would only have the mini-MLE to offer Mirotic $3.3 per. I don't think the guy paid $3 million to buyout a $7 million/yr contract for the privilege of playing for the Bulls for free. The best thing you said so far is that we should wait for the details of the deal to be settled. We'll reconvene once that happens but I could guarantee that Pau is NOT getting $11 million/yr given the circumstances as they are.

As for Kerr, I don't buy his "family" argument. If his kids were in elementary school, junior high or even in the first few years of high school, then maybe. Two of his kids are in college and the third, from what I understand, is on his way to college. Those are adults, not children. And let's be honest, he had a professional career that had him bouncing around the league and country during their formative years and he seemed to be just fine doing it until he was 38 years old. I don't judge a man by his word, I just a man by his actions and I'm calling bull**** on that one.

So what do you think of Riley not being able to get Lowry to sign with the Heat for less than the Raptors were offering? Or for failing to get Lebron to return?

Shit happens.

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7/12/2014  1:56 PM
Nalod wrote:nard, your digesting media rumors and all the possibilities as being legit efforts and thus failures.

Jax tried to convince Kerr to come east and coach. He got a better offer on a better team closer to his home where his daughter goes to school.

With Gasol, there would be a price to pay to clear cap space out. Maybe its a sign of strength not weakness to hold on to assets instead of giving them away at a discount. Gasol is a 34 year old guy on the way down. YOu read a reporter saying he thought Calderone is good friends and could help. Not, He was bought in to help.

Gasol is going to be paid. You really want to pay this guy and give up opportnity? Thats the old way. Thats the way of the Starphuch.
Media will feed you things to get angry about and point fingers. Its how they sell media. Don't fall for it, just let things play out and see what PHil does, and what he is NOT doing!!!! Really, winning NOW is not in our rosters Make up.

TKF and others are quick to blame Melo or others for the failures but the real failure it he fan being satisfied with the starphuch not realizing it is the very thing that that prevents us from winning more consistantly.

PHil has not been an exec but has won at everything he has ever done. Fisher and Rambis as well. Kerr has Winning DNA and was a good choice. He was available first and phil tried to convince him to come east. Does that constitute failure? He got Fish, who has winning DNA as well. Seems like Phil got what he wanted. Thats winning. Rambis got a drawer full of rings as being part of a winning culture as a player and Assistant coach.

Not saying you agree with me, but its better than "dumbest thread ever".......

All fair recommendations. I saw a bunch of sources reporting the same rumor and got ahead of myself. We'll see how it all unfolds but if Gasol ends up in Chicago for peanuts, I think my concerns would be legitimate. I love Derek Fisher as coach, even like him better than Steve Kerr. But this team needs more than just a new coach. Time will tell how the rest develops.

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7/12/2014  2:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/12/2014  2:18 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:hate to be mean but this must be one of the dumbest thread topics i have seen.

+1... Sorry but, Wtf are you talking about Nard? Phil is the greatest positive the Knicks have. Let's see how this shakes out before we start the sky falling threads.

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7/12/2014  2:45 PM
Smfh
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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7/12/2014  2:47 PM
what is there to doubt? I know the Kerr thing was somehwat of a fail, but I think he may have only focused on Kerr because Fisher was still playing at that point. I think Fisher will make for a better coach than Kerr in the long run. Fisher just as smart of a player and is more relatable.

IF he gets Melo to reduce his salary by 3.3mm in year 2 thats a big win too.

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7/12/2014  2:51 PM
Everyone was laughing at how much Phil was getting paid. Something tells me Dolans thinks he is worth every single penny right now. I doubt Melo comes back with the old front office in power.
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NardDogNation wrote:
Nalod wrote:nard, your digesting media rumors and all the possibilities as being legit efforts and thus failures.

Jax tried to convince Kerr to come east and coach. He got a better offer on a better team closer to his home where his daughter goes to school.

With Gasol, there would be a price to pay to clear cap space out. Maybe its a sign of strength not weakness to hold on to assets instead of giving them away at a discount. Gasol is a 34 year old guy on the way down. YOu read a reporter saying he thought Calderone is good friends and could help. Not, He was bought in to help.

Gasol is going to be paid. You really want to pay this guy and give up opportnity? Thats the old way. Thats the way of the Starphuch.
Media will feed you things to get angry about and point fingers. Its how they sell media. Don't fall for it, just let things play out and see what PHil does, and what he is NOT doing!!!! Really, winning NOW is not in our rosters Make up.

TKF and others are quick to blame Melo or others for the failures but the real failure it he fan being satisfied with the starphuch not realizing it is the very thing that that prevents us from winning more consistantly.

PHil has not been an exec but has won at everything he has ever done. Fisher and Rambis as well. Kerr has Winning DNA and was a good choice. He was available first and phil tried to convince him to come east. Does that constitute failure? He got Fish, who has winning DNA as well. Seems like Phil got what he wanted. Thats winning. Rambis got a drawer full of rings as being part of a winning culture as a player and Assistant coach.

Not saying you agree with me, but its better than "dumbest thread ever".......

All fair recommendations. I saw a bunch of sources reporting the same rumor and got ahead of myself. We'll see how it all unfolds but if Gasol ends up in Chicago for peanuts, I think my concerns would be legitimate. I love Derek Fisher as coach, even like him better than Steve Kerr. But this team needs more than just a new coach. Time will tell how the rest develops.


BUt if you know he is not a god, not the second comming, then you should well understand he needs more than a new coach, he also needs time to make it happen.

Maybe your upset with homer fans who have put him on the pulpit with Mooby? Granted, he is HOF greatest coach who ever lived based on his gaudy title count and while just an executive in a new role, it brings expectations! He won't make every deal, he will make mistakes, and he will need time to reset the culture.

This will take 3-5 years to see. The media will get you riled up.

Nard, are you the Media's bytch? No? Then why you let them phuch you?
Your much smarter than that!

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7/12/2014  3:10 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:hate to be mean but this must be one of the dumbest thread topics i have seen.

+1... Sorry but, Wtf are you talking about Nard? Phil is the greatest positive the Knicks have. Let's see how this shakes out before we start the sky falling threads.

Dude, whatever. My apologies for questioning the great and all-powerful Phil Jackson.

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7/12/2014  3:30 PM
Nalod wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Nalod wrote:nard, your digesting media rumors and all the possibilities as being legit efforts and thus failures.

Jax tried to convince Kerr to come east and coach. He got a better offer on a better team closer to his home where his daughter goes to school.

With Gasol, there would be a price to pay to clear cap space out. Maybe its a sign of strength not weakness to hold on to assets instead of giving them away at a discount. Gasol is a 34 year old guy on the way down. YOu read a reporter saying he thought Calderone is good friends and could help. Not, He was bought in to help.

Gasol is going to be paid. You really want to pay this guy and give up opportnity? Thats the old way. Thats the way of the Starphuch.
Media will feed you things to get angry about and point fingers. Its how they sell media. Don't fall for it, just let things play out and see what PHil does, and what he is NOT doing!!!! Really, winning NOW is not in our rosters Make up.

TKF and others are quick to blame Melo or others for the failures but the real failure it he fan being satisfied with the starphuch not realizing it is the very thing that that prevents us from winning more consistantly.

PHil has not been an exec but has won at everything he has ever done. Fisher and Rambis as well. Kerr has Winning DNA and was a good choice. He was available first and phil tried to convince him to come east. Does that constitute failure? He got Fish, who has winning DNA as well. Seems like Phil got what he wanted. Thats winning. Rambis got a drawer full of rings as being part of a winning culture as a player and Assistant coach.

Not saying you agree with me, but its better than "dumbest thread ever".......

All fair recommendations. I saw a bunch of sources reporting the same rumor and got ahead of myself. We'll see how it all unfolds but if Gasol ends up in Chicago for peanuts, I think my concerns would be legitimate. I love Derek Fisher as coach, even like him better than Steve Kerr. But this team needs more than just a new coach. Time will tell how the rest develops.


BUt if you know he is not a god, not the second comming, then you should well understand he needs more than a new coach, he also needs time to make it happen.

Maybe your upset with homer fans who have put him on the pulpit with Mooby? Granted, he is HOF greatest coach who ever lived based on his gaudy title count and while just an executive in a new role, it brings expectations! He won't make every deal, he will make mistakes, and he will need time to reset the culture.

This will take 3-5 years to see. The media will get you riled up.

Nard, are you the Media's bytch? No? Then why you let them phuch you?
Your much smarter than that!

I think the frustration for me comes from being emotionally invested in the team. I know that's stupid, considering what we all go through on a day to day but they have become one of the last things I can identify with from the NY experience, now that I no longer live there. I think that's why I'm so vocal with my frustrations with the team and how poorly they've done. Every offseason is suppose the season we take the next pivotal step, and more often than not it's a dud. And this offseason hasn't really seemed to be any different. We watch all these teams make lobsided trades (e.g. Jarrett Jack, Tyler Zeller, the Russian shooter and a pick) and we're stuck being us. It's incredibly frustrating.

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7/12/2014  3:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/12/2014  3:39 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:hate to be mean but this must be one of the dumbest thread topics i have seen.

+1... Sorry but, Wtf are you talking about Nard? Phil is the greatest positive the Knicks have. Let's see how this shakes out before we start the sky falling threads.

Dude, whatever. My apologies for questioning the great and all-powerful Phil Jackson.

Dude that wasnt the point. Criticism is fine in fact its good. However give the man a least a year before saying he sucks. Steve Kerr wasnt exactly a big loss since he didnt have a track record. The Mavs trade was a steal. We got rid of FluTyson and Fat Felton and upgraded the pg position, got larkin(first round pick) ellington,dalembert, and draft picks which turned out to be Early(first round talent) and the greek freak 2( raw but nba ready defender/athlete)
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7/12/2014  8:57 PM
I don't have doubts about him, even though strongly opposed to the signing - at max - of the least team-oriented star player in NYK history.

Crazy league - Riley - the greatest exec of this generation - extends a max contract to Bosh - a nice player, hardly elite - and Phil forced to do same.

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7/13/2014  12:03 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:hate to be mean but this must be one of the dumbest thread topics i have seen.

Hey ActionJ, Don't be an azz - if you don't have something nice to say then move on.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/13/2014  4:20 AM
Ha!:

I've Got My Doubts About Phil Jackson.

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