Panos wrote:

nychamp wrote:I tend to agree with Briggs that this is part of the ploy to wait out Bosh to Houston and have Melo go to Miami.

That doesn't make any sense. Why does Miami need Bosh to sign somewhere before signing Carmelo? He is not under contract.

Because they look better if Bosh chooses to leave first, they can react to his move as opposed to coldly pushing him out. They can't just summarily jettison the whole big 3 best buds thing coldly without major backlash to their image (talking LBJ and Riley here).

But now the clock is ticking for Bosh with Parsons offer sheet signed. LBJ and Melo need to just hem and haw long enough for Bosh to ultimately take the very enticing max offer being extended to him, especially in the face of apparent radio silence from his friend lebron about his intentions. The passive agressive middle school thing alluded to in other threads.

Even Melo's questionable interest earlier in LA could have been stall #1 to buy time and let things play out.

fitzfarm wrote:

VDesai wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Also we don't need butler or want him Phil knows this as well like I said mcd,euro,Gibson,next years fist and the 2016 first pick or no deal.. We finally have a man who knows what he's doing ... Phil would never settle for butler,boozer and a 1st,2nd... The days of nyk getting raped are over

McDermott, Mirotic and a no.1 is the bare minimum here.

Absolutely agreed Phil should be firm about this! Also throw in another 1st

Yup.

This is exactly the kind of thing other teams used to do to us- make us give up the extra pick or player.

Don't need Butler, he is redundant, given the players we already have.

They would never give up Gibson and the Euro, and Anthony is friends with Gibson, I think. I think Gibson is right for a team trying to win now... if we give up Anthony, we are better off with Mirotic if it comes down to a choice between him and Gibson.

If Phil truly believes, as he said, that we are OK with or without Anthony on the team, then we should be dealing from strength. If we take Boozer we should also get the package mentioned above- McDermott, Mirotic, and at least one no.1.

NardDogNation wrote:If this is a ploy for Melo to go to MIA, LeBron should be careful what he wishes for. Melo is a better player than Bosh BUT games are not won based on who has more talent. IMO, Bosh is a much better fit for the Heat because of his length and ability to stretch the floor with that length. That has created the driving lanes and spacing that has allowed LeBron to be a champion. If Bosh leaves, they lose that spacing and are stuck trying to win games with Chris Andersen being their only true big man. That's not even factoring in the impact of losing Bosh on the defensive end, where he was one of the best defenders of guarding the pick and roll.

y2zipper wrote:I don't even want Mcdermott because I don't like him as a prospect. I'd probably ask for Mirotic and the 2 #1's in exchange for taking on Boozer or negotiate something where Chicago takes JR Smith with him.

Jmpasq wrote:

y2zipper wrote:I don't even want Mcdermott because I don't like him as a prospect. I'd probably ask for Mirotic and the 2 #1's in exchange for taking on Boozer or negotiate something where Chicago takes JR Smith with him.

I dont want him either as far as im concerned he is useless

If we can send JR as well that would be ridiculous! !

y2zipper wrote:I don't even want Mcdermott because I don't like him as a prospect. I'd probably ask for Mirotic and the 2 #1's in exchange for taking on Boozer or negotiate something where Chicago takes JR Smith with him.

What exactly do you think Chicago's #1's are going to look like? Just a bit less talented than lottery picks? Or are you just GMing yourself with future chess moves?

jrodmc wrote:

y2zipper wrote:I don't even want Mcdermott because I don't like him as a prospect. I'd probably ask for Mirotic and the 2 #1's in exchange for taking on Boozer or negotiate something where Chicago takes JR Smith with him.

What exactly do you think Chicago's #1's are going to look like? Just a bit less talented than lottery picks? Or are you just GMing yourself with future chess moves?

I can't check this on RealGM because Anthony is a free agent, but something like this is the minimum return...

Knicks Trade

Carmelo Anthony
JR Smith

Bulls Trade

Carlos Boozer
Louis Amundson
Mike James
Ronnie Brewer
Nikola Mirotic
Sacramento's 2015 #1 Pick (owned by Chicago)
Chicago's 2015 #1 Pick

The Knicks have to take Boozer, but get the best European prospect out there right now plus a chance to unload J.R. Smith in exchange for a lot of non-guaranteed money. Moving JR Smith in this manner basically off-sets taking on Calderon and gives the Knicks tons of cap space.

Sacramento's pick is top-ten protected, so that pick would be somewhere at the end of the lottery (assuming Sacramento actually doesn't win the #1 overall pick). It's like pick 11-15.

Chicago's pick obviously depends on Rose's health. If he gets injured again, the pick is in the teens and if not, the pick is probably in the 20's.

This is less than ideal return obviously, but the Knicks would have a top 3 pick after tanking next year, have another lottery pick in the same draft and something towards the end of the first round. Then they'd have free agency.

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