Anji wrote:I'm just being sarcastic, I agree about the Dallas model personally, continue adding to a system and building the team up.

I really would like to see the computations that Bonn and DK7 run, we need to get those to Phil before he signs Melo to 1 dollar more then he should......and if we have enough time, we should go fix moreys computer. It obviously needs an upgrade.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Same as Anji you guys expect a team to be an immediate championship calibre team first yr assembled or its a failure. Again unrealistic, you seem to believe either you rebuild or you are a championship team but it doesn't work that way.

I kind of figured you were being sarcastic but wasn't sure, because that Jason Terry comment was off the wall lol.

IMO I would look to buy low on an Eric Gordon and depending on the Gasol situation David Lee as well only if we are able to bring Melo back. Sure they don't make us a championship team but they are productive players with flexible 2 yr contracts. We would be a playoff team and we could possibly use there value as productive expirings at the deadline in 2015-16 to contenders for future assets or look to resign them to cap friendly deals giving the team productive value role players on cap friendly deals.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Anji wrote:I'm just being sarcastic, I agree about the Dallas model personally, continue adding to a system and building the team up.

I really would like to see the computations that Bonn and DK7 run, we need to get those to Phil before he signs Melo to 1 dollar more then he should......and if we have enough time, we should go fix moreys computer. It obviously needs an upgrade.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Same as Anji you guys expect a team to be an immediate championship calibre team first yr assembled or its a failure. Again unrealistic, you seem to believe either you rebuild or you are a championship team but it doesn't work that way.

I kind of figured you were being sarcastic but wasn't sure, because that Jason Terry comment was off the wall lol.

IMO I would look to buy low on an Eric Gordon and depending on the Gasol situation David Lee as well only if we are able to bring Melo back. Sure they don't make us a championship team but they are productive players with flexible 2 yr contracts. We would be a playoff team and we could possibly use there value as productive expirings at the deadline in 2015-16 to contenders for future assets or look to resign them to cap friendly deals giving the team productive value role players on cap friendly deals.

I'd rather look into trying to obtain Jeff Teague. I've read that there is a decent chance the Hawks move him. Teague has his faults, but he does a decent job of defending his position.

We just trade for Calderon and Teague's value will be to high. We should be looking to buy low right now.

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

If you 2 guys have nothing to add to thread, please don't post. Thanks

martin I did add to this thread.... i offered a suggestion, but where is this modding when DK and I are getting chased down in threads by the usual suspects who never seem to post relevant basketball comments in other threads? can I count on you now to mod them the same way? it would be much appreciated..

stop trolling threads. It's best to listen to everyone else who is also asking the same. I think perhaps you are the top and perhaps only poster who repeatedly gets asked by me and others to stop it with all of the Melo crap in every thread. Take a hint.

Oooooo He TOLD you. Well Said Martin.

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

If you 2 guys have nothing to add to thread, please don't post. Thanks

martin I did add to this thread.... i offered a suggestion, but where is this modding when DK and I are getting chased down in threads by the usual suspects who never seem to post relevant basketball comments in other threads? can I count on you now to mod them the same way? it would be much appreciated..

stop trolling threads. It's best to listen to everyone else who is also asking the same. I think perhaps you are the top and perhaps only poster who repeatedly gets asked by me and others to stop it with all of the Melo crap in every thread. Take a hint.

martin I say this to you as a former mod who made similar mistakes.. It seems to me that you have a personal issue with myself and a few other posters, I have seen you go at me, dk,bonn and honestly martin,as a mod is it correct to mod opinion? I am not trolling martin, now at times have I walked a fine line with my views.. maybe but so has many others martin and some continue to do worse, yet you don't mod them. It seems as if the opinion is of popular view, it is ok. And I can tell you as a former mod martin I used to make the same mistakes, I used to chin check posters using my mod power who I didn't agree with and it was absolutely the wrong thing to do.Funny thing martin it was a poster I didn't agree with much who really helped me become a better mod. and we didn't agree on a player at all. I tried to mod his opinion, it wasn't popular and I was wrong.

I am not starting threads on here martin, I am responding to threads and I keep it basketball and not personal. what I have found is that those who you say have asked me to stop with the melo crap are the very ones who have trolled people like myself and dk and have done so without any modding. Also a few of us have asked you martin to mod the board more fairly, this is a prime example..

I will say this, I don't have a problem with you coming at me martin, I just ask you mod the board and not just a few posters. I know modding is a time consuming job, I know marting I have been a mod and a poster, I know both sides. I am not here to troll, make your job hard, I just want to talk basketball, and I am willing to make any adjustments martin I just ask that you do the same with the board.. you are a mod you have the power to do whatever you want around here. I just ask you do so fairly..

but I will move on. I have no problem with how you come at me martin, I just ask for it to be across the board and I guarantee you , this forum will be much better...

in the end we are all fans and we want the knicks to win, but never should others try to change the opinions of posters and institute the mob mentality just because they don't agree..

thanks for your time

Andrew wrote:Tkf, let me be brief and to the point. It is not your opinion that is getting a response from Martin, myself now and others. It is how you choose to express it.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Andrew wrote:Tkf, let me be brief and to the point. It is not your opinion that is getting a response from Martin, myself now and others. It is how you choose to express it.

Are you sure it's not both? I don't mean this as an attack on you and Martin. It's probably just human nature. There have been times though where others attacked me (and were also attacking TKF and DK) and I selected portions of their posts and pasted the forum etiquette requirements right below as a reminder, but nothing happened. They were pretty blatant attacks that clearly violated the statement "While healthy debate and discussion is fine, please refrain from rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts." I realize TKF has deserved an occasional reminder of this requirement but it surprises me when the people throwing insults at him never get warnings. I think posters here are given a lot of latitude with what they say to Melo critics. I do love the forum and I'll continue posting here even if it continues the same way (and as long as I'm allowed to!) but I do think it could be a little fairer in this regard.

This is true but I think people get frustrated when threads get hijacked like this 1 just did.

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

If you 2 guys have nothing to add to thread, please don't post. Thanks

martin I did add to this thread.... i offered a suggestion, but where is this modding when DK and I are getting chased down in threads by the usual suspects who never seem to post relevant basketball comments in other threads? can I count on you now to mod them the same way? it would be much appreciated..

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

If you 2 guys have nothing to add to thread, please don't post. Thanks

martin I did add to this thread.... i offered a suggestion, but where is this modding when DK and I are getting chased down in threads by the usual suspects who never seem to post relevant basketball comments in other threads? can I count on you now to mod them the same way? it would be much appreciated..

So your not only a troll but your a crybaby too. Incredible indeed. Impact players like Melo are the ultimate commodity in the NBA. Spurs model is great. Let's see that model after one of best players to ever play in the NBA retires. What pisses you guys off and what you simply can't wrap your heads around is that Melo is getting this attention because it's warranted. Denial indeed.

I don't think anyone has ever denied that Melo warrants a lot of attention as a #3 and possibly #2 man, which is what he's getting now.

Yep I dont have a problem with Melo , right now my problem is he doesnt make sense for the Knicks as they are constructed. By the time they find the guy they need to play with Melo will be 33 or 34 and we will be looking for another #2 or #3. In the meantime are chances of finding that guy through the draft which would give us the most financial flexibility will be hampered. I think its best for both the Knicks and Melos career if this partnership ends. I just hope we get something in return

On the topic of this thread I would hold onto JR for the time being, If Melo indeed leaves JR SMith could possibly put up some very good scoring numbers which may make him attractive for a team looking for a 6th man at the deadline. Right now he has no value , even Shump has little value, it would be great if the Knicks can turn these players into trade chips. Then give the 2nd half of the season to the younger players to develop

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

honestly have you ever witnessed so much denial? incredible!

it really is...

If you 2 guys have nothing to add to thread, please don't post. Thanks

martin I did add to this thread.... i offered a suggestion, but where is this modding when DK and I are getting chased down in threads by the usual suspects who never seem to post relevant basketball comments in other threads? can I count on you now to mod them the same way? it would be much appreciated..

So your not only a troll but your a crybaby too. Incredible indeed. Impact players like Melo are the ultimate commodity in the NBA. Spurs model is great. Let's see that model after one of best players to ever play in the NBA retires. What pisses you guys off and what you simply can't wrap your heads around is that Melo is getting this attention because it's warranted. Denial indeed.

I don't think anyone has ever denied that Melo warrants a lot of attention as a #3 and possibly #2 man, which is what he's getting now.

post like this one fishmike just made are typical of what is allowed to go on here... I have no problem being modded as long as it is fair and across the board..

but that is cool. Unless I agree with the board, I won't post..