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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
6/25/2014 11:31 PM
tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow Their deals are different. They are owed almost the same amount but asik counts 6 million less on the cap. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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martin
Posts: 76489 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
6/25/2014 11:33 PM
tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow I don't follow Dallas at all but I am pretty sure Larkin had a broken ankle to begin the season... as a rookie. Not the best way to start an NBA career. Also, Dallas was fighting for playoff contention, I don't see a rookie who is behind the learning curve getting time in that situation, do you? Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Knixkik
Posts: 35476 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
6/25/2014 11:33 PM
tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow Yes but we got an easier contract to move. We gave up junk in Felton, saved money this summer, and got back many assets. When you get rid of the most difficult contract to move, and get back the value of 1 first round pick and 2 second round picks that's great. I would rather get all that plus get rid of Felton than just get back 1 future pick for Tyson. |
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Knixkik
Posts: 35476 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
6/25/2014 11:35 PM
martin wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow Exactly. His lack of playing time as a rookie means nothing. |
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
6/25/2014 11:36 PM
CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow I understand that, but when we saying back in the day when morey signed lin and asik to those poison pill deals, people were saying they were bad deals, they ket saying lin and asik were overpaid at 15 mil a year and I kept saying the salaries only count 8.3 mil to the cap and I remember you and 3g4g getting into that discussion and you kept saying morey would have a hard time moving that contract and 3g was trying to explain the cap implications.. morey could have moved asik last year to boston if he wasn't asking for two first round picks.... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
6/25/2014 11:43 PM
martin wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow considering that they were thin at guard, why not? I mean he is a pick right outside the lottery you would think he could give you something... really that is not a good reason, larkin was healed before harris and still got less minutes.. and now he is a throw into this trade.. the 18 pick in a draft is a throw in one year later? now I am not saying that I won't take a wait and see approach with this kid. I hope he does well, i will be rooting for him, I hope he becomes a better player than DJ augustine, but right now he isn't.. not close... with that said, he was drafted 18, didn't we have many discussions on here with draft value and how many were saying that mid to later picks had little value, and i was asking people, well where is the cut off.... well it seems the cut off for players being good is whatever pick that comes after a player the knicks get.... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
6/25/2014 11:46 PM
Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow I would have been happy with chandler for a later first or multiple second round picks and taking no salary, then taking on more future salary... we are taking on more than 5 mil in salary in 2015.. I mean wasn't that war cry around here... 2015 free agency? what I find funny about this kind of reasoning now is that people justified throwing away picks to get rid of novaks 4 million dollars per year... do you now see where I am coming from? and guess what also.. the 2016 pick is higher than any pick we have gotten back so far... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
6/25/2014 11:49 PM
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow ok thats fine, so if we can't talk about his lack of playing time he is a throw in.. we have more intel on ellington than this kid... and I don't hear anyone talking big about ellington.. except guns with a few hopeful words... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
6/25/2014 11:56 PM LAST EDITED: 6/25/2014 11:57 PM
tkf wrote:martin wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow Like many coaches, many ROOKIES will not get the luxury of playing time unless they are part of the future of the franchise, they were competing for a SPOT in the WEST and Devin Harris is a veteran that understood his role, had experience the Mav's team/roster and system Was he be better? We don't know but you cannot judge his STATS when he didn't even get an opportunity to play under those cicrumstances above You understood Lin didn't get ANY PT prior to "Linsanity" Tony Douglas were all ranked before Lin now Lin also is playing behind Beverly for FIT/CHEMISTRY reasons, it necessarily make Beverly the better PG/PLAYER by any means, yet you understand this too but fail to understand Larkin's as a rookie Bibby/Hinrich played before the developing Jeff Teague for many years, did that make them the better player EVEN AT THE TIME All I am saying is, you cannot judge Larkin's STATs because he didn't play not saying he is or isn't better |
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Knixkik
Posts: 35476 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
6/26/2014 12:00 AM
tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow No difference is the players. Novak and Felton are tough to trade. You have to include assets to get rid of those types of players when needed. Calderon can be flipped easy if needed. That is the component you are missing. |
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martin
Posts: 76489 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
6/26/2014 12:11 AM
tkf wrote:martin wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow yeah you don't much about the Mavs. Larkin, Jose, Monta, Mekel, Vince. They are not thin at the guard spot. You expect a rookie who misses the whole summer (and I have no idea if he missed training camp or not either) to come in a fill minutes at the beginning of season on a vet team who needs to make playoffs. Good luck with that Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Solace
Posts: 30002 Alba Posts: 20 Joined: 10/30/2003 Member: #479 USA |
6/26/2014 1:08 AM
Actually, IIRC, Fred Jones wasn't even projected to be a first rounder. The fact he went #14 was a shock.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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STATMELO
Posts: 20199 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/10/2011 Member: #3637 |
6/26/2014 2:07 AM
NardDogNation wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Phoenix is desperate for a Center. Netting Dalembert is pretty good. Hell of a lot cheaper and more productive than Tyson. Clearly you haven't seen many Mavericks games, Dalembert is a productive player at this point he's better than Tyson Chandler on both ends. Only reason Mavericks traded him is because they are so hell-bent on getting Tyson back. Tyson still has the reputation of an elite defensive anchor when he hasn't been that in years. In fact Josh Smith, Kevin Garnett, LeBron James among others had cases for DPoY in '12 over Tyson. |
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39943 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
6/26/2014 2:28 AM
STATMELO wrote:NardDogNation wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Phoenix is desperate for a Center. Netting Dalembert is pretty good. Hell of a lot cheaper and more productive than Tyson. I've seen enough of Samuel Dalembert to know that he isn't better than Tyson. Bad hands, foul prone, lack of defensive awareness etc. Tyson's court awareness alone makes him an upgrade over Dalembert. Phoenix isn't desperate enough to get rid of Bledsoe for Dalembert/Larkin pavkage when they already plumlee and len. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
6/26/2014 5:18 AM LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014 8:49 AM
tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow Haha I know what you mean. I'm allowed to enjoy the 2 picks because I also predicted the same thing about how quickly the tune will change lol |
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30167 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
6/26/2014 5:48 AM
gunsnewing wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow Not many people like the fact that Calderon's contract runs into 2015 free agency. But at the same time Phil Jackson is running the ship now. A lot of people view Jose Calderon as absolutely perfect for the triangle offense. Calderon might have been a player Jackson wanted regardless of the 2015 cap space which Raymond Felton was going to eat 4.2 mil out of anyway. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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StarksEwing1
Posts: 32671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/28/2012 Member: #4451 |
6/26/2014 8:47 AM LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014 8:47 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I think everybody that is upset about calderon's contract is going overboard. Yes I dont love teh contract but its not like he makes amare/bargs money. We will still have plenty of cap spacetkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow |