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Vmart
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6/26/2014  9:13 AM
Shump the Chump is next. All saboteurs from last year need to go. Chandler, Felton check. Next two are Shump and JR.
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6/26/2014  9:47 AM
Let's take into account that rose missed the last two seasons after suffering the same injuries.

I wouldn't be so quick to give up on him. Definitely let a coach support him and work with Phil and then see what the value holds
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6/26/2014  9:55 AM
MS wrote:Let's take into account that rose missed the last two seasons after suffering the same injuries.

I wouldn't be so quick to give up on him. Definitely let a coach support him and work with Phil and then see what the value holds

we are not going to win coddling guys that will only amount to being a role player.

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6/26/2014  10:00 AM
EnySpree wrote:
MS wrote:Let's take into account that rose missed the last two seasons after suffering the same injuries.

I wouldn't be so quick to give up on him. Definitely let a coach support him and work with Phil and then see what the value holds

we are not going to win coddling guys that will only amount to being a role player.

its a tough one.. he's shown flashes of being a real impact player on the defensive end, and since we now have a PG who can shoot the lights out but cant guard the lamppost he just lit Shump has some enticing aspects about him. I dont like his contract sitatution though and the fact that he could have a great year and look to get paid then who knows.

I would gauge his trade value and if I like something bite on it. Otherwise I think we can get something from him next year.

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6/26/2014  10:08 AM
Exactly my initial point but people are too quick to throw away guys for unknown picks. We need Shumperts lockdown defense next to Calderon and the diminutive Larkin

Think JR will be traded with Bargnani eventually
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6/26/2014  10:20 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly my initial point but people are too quick to throw away guys for unknown picks. We need Shumperts lockdown defense next to Calderon and the diminutive Larkin

Think JR will be traded with Bargnani eventually

Thats a much more sensible approach. You have Calderon and THjr. You need a legit defender with those guys and Shump can guard all three wing spots. Remember Shump is an RFA end of season so there is risk in paying him.
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6/26/2014  10:27 AM
fishmike wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly my initial point but people are too quick to throw away guys for unknown picks. We need Shumperts lockdown defense next to Calderon and the diminutive Larkin

Think JR will be traded with Bargnani eventually

Thats a much more sensible approach. You have Calderon and THjr. You need a legit defender with those guys and Shump can guard all three wing spots. Remember Shump is an RFA end of season so there is risk in paying him.

On the ball yes, off the ball no. Also, can someone get him in the layup line?
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6/26/2014  10:31 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly my initial point but people are too quick to throw away guys for unknown picks. We need Shumperts lockdown defense next to Calderon and the diminutive Larkin

Think JR will be traded with Bargnani eventually

Who has Shumpert locked down though? He's never locked down anyone

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6/26/2014  10:37 AM
EnySpree wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly my initial point but people are too quick to throw away guys for unknown picks. We need Shumperts lockdown defense next to Calderon and the diminutive Larkin

Think JR will be traded with Bargnani eventually

Who has Shumpert locked down though? He's never locked down anyone

cmon... thats not fair. He's had an impact on that side of the ball for sure. Can he do it consistantly and can he bring his offense to a point where he's reliable enough to be a rotation guy?

http://www.82games.com/1314/13NYK6.HTM

Knicks were better defensively with Shump on the floor. I dont really care if Shump comes or goes, but he's got some potential for a good rotation player if he stays.

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6/26/2014  10:59 AM
EnySpree wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly my initial point but people are too quick to throw away guys for unknown picks. We need Shumperts lockdown defense next to Calderon and the diminutive Larkin

Think JR will be traded with Bargnani eventually

Who has Shumpert locked down though? He's never locked down anyone

U watch the games?
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6/26/2014  11:01 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly my initial point but people are too quick to throw away guys for unknown picks. We need Shumperts lockdown defense next to Calderon and the diminutive Larkin

Think JR will be traded with Bargnani eventually

Thats a much more sensible approach. You have Calderon and THjr. You need a legit defender with those guys and Shump can guard all three wing spots. Remember Shump is an RFA end of season so there is risk in paying him.

On the ball yes, off the ball no. Also, can someone get him in the layup line?

At least he does something defensively. You can count on 1 hand the number of guys who take pride in defense in today's game
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6/26/2014  11:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014  11:08 AM
Shump needs a change in scenery. Both 1st Rounders from OKC would be great but probably not going to happen. More like Shump for the 21st pick. Shump is a very good defender but his shooting abilities does not match the triangle offense.
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6/26/2014  12:03 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:Im a big shumpert fan BUT i think he might need a change of scenery mostly thanks to dolan who had it in for rhis kid since teh summer league thing. If OKC offers that than it it hard to say no. With JR still here and the emergence of tim hardaway im nto sure shumpert will have the minutes

I'm pretty confident that he's gone. I hope we get two decent second round picks or, at least OKC's 21st. The 29th pick would be a bit of a letdown.

Maybe we trade 1 of are 2nds with Shumpert for the 21st pick

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6/26/2014  12:04 PM
nyk4ever wrote:wow we are calling a shumpert a young star? how many young "stars" shoot under 40% their first 3 seasons and have had 2 acl surgeries? if we are building around shumpert we are in trouble.. he'd be a nice piece to a contending level team, but theres no way we should be building around him. none.

Seriously he is nowhere near as good as Leonard

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6/26/2014  12:30 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Shump needs a change in scenery. Both 1st Rounders from OKC would be great but probably not going to happen. More like Shump for the 21st pick. Shump is a very good defender but his shooting abilities does not match the triangle offense.

I think people are to quick to judge his offensive game on last year - he has had stretches where he shot well.

I'd rather throw out last year's performance as Melo-itis and Woodsonitis as well as a touch of recovering from an injury.

I'd be inclined to see what he can do with a new group here before completely abandoning him.
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franco12 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Shump needs a change in scenery. Both 1st Rounders from OKC would be great but probably not going to happen. More like Shump for the 21st pick. Shump is a very good defender but his shooting abilities does not match the triangle offense.

I think people are to quick to judge his offensive game on last year - he has had stretches where he shot well.

I'd rather throw out last year's performance as Melo-itis and Woodsonitis as well as a touch of recovering from an injury.

I'd be inclined to see what he can do with a new group here before completely abandoning him.

Do u think he will ever develop a legit offensive game

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6/26/2014  12:52 PM
I read a rumor that he is working out 2x/day, learning the triangle and reading all of Phils books. Just saying...
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6/26/2014  1:17 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
franco12 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Shump needs a change in scenery. Both 1st Rounders from OKC would be great but probably not going to happen. More like Shump for the 21st pick. Shump is a very good defender but his shooting abilities does not match the triangle offense.

I think people are to quick to judge his offensive game on last year - he has had stretches where he shot well.

I'd rather throw out last year's performance as Melo-itis and Woodsonitis as well as a touch of recovering from an injury.

I'd be inclined to see what he can do with a new group here before completely abandoning him.

Do u think he will ever develop a legit offensive game

Did Bruce Bowen have a legit offensive game?

I am by no means suggesting he will ever be that good - but I do think he could find a role to contribute on both sides of the ball.

He has at times been aggressive running a fast break attack- and if his mind is fixed by Phil Jackson and Fisher, I could see him hitting a high % of 3pt shots from the corner, set up, waiting for the pass out from good ball movement.
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6/26/2014  1:24 PM
I think too many are giving up on Shump too soon. The guys does have the ability and just hasn't been able to put it all together, but you can see he's not far off. I think this is going to be the year he puts it all together. He doesn't have to be a huge offensive player to be an impact player for us.
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6/26/2014  1:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014  1:29 PM
BigRedDog wrote:I read a rumor that he is working out 2x/day, learning the triangle and reading all of Phils books. Just saying...

That's what phil told him in the exit interview. Phil wants him here. I trust Phil on this one.

And remember Shump is a 90s bulls can sure he has a ton of respect for Phil
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