yellowboy90 wrote:I laugh at this because this is what happens when teams point to a certain year when the big FAs become available. We will have cap space in year xxxx so we can attract anyone. Well who will there be out there and who will come to NY when there is not infrastructure to peak their interest. Will players want to come to a team in rebuild mode to join Timmy and the big 2015 mystery pick?

Maybe that's not the thought maybe its the long hustle. The 10 year plan?

We don't need Josh Smith

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I laugh at this because this is what happens when teams point to a certain year when the big FAs become available. We will have cap space in year xxxx so we can attract anyone. Well who will there be out there and who will come to NY when there is not infrastructure to peak their interest. Will players want to come to a team in rebuild mode to join Timmy and the big 2015 mystery pick?

Maybe that's not the thought maybe its the long hustle. The 10 year plan?

Yeah, I'm hopeful that we don't spend just for the sake of spending next summer. Most of the top guys, with the possible exception of Kevin Love, will be around 30. It's one thing if we're talking Kevin Garnett, but we're talking Al Jefferson, LaMarcus Aldrdge etc. The team needs to go full rebuild and not waste time with the fools good that will be littering free agency next year.

The guys in their 30's are winning championships, the guys in their 20's are losing playoff games.

Understand the make up of a championship teams and why the same guys you draft and groom will bounce to a winning team, while your team repeats the cycle.

or

The unlikely, due to weather, pressure of NYK media, contract, and our inability to COMPETE vs pretty much ANY TEAM that has the ability to sign both CA and Lebron like

1- Suns, they have 29.44m with Channing Frye opting out but would fit greatly with both CA and Lebron James to spread the floor and has improved much since leaving NYK from REBOUNDING/DEFENSE and improved shooting, most importantly staying HEALTHY for the most part with Sun's Medical staff

That number reflects Bledsoes's $3,726,965 qualifying offer, who is expected to make upwards of 10m per year but may take less if it meant both Lebron James and CA going to The Sun's and Dragic being shipped out, making him the #1 option at PG where he has the advantage of size/length in addition to his athleticism, speed/quickness, and much improved shooting
He is basically a combination of a mini YOUNG Dwayne Wade, Norris Cole/Beverely/Darren Collison, most importantly complimenting LBJ's priority of DEF, which also makes Philly a #2 target with MCW, both being able to defend PG/SG's while doing it in a different way and Bledsoe has more speed/quickness complimenting both Lebron James and CA on both ends and on the FAST BREAK especially with many under rated players like Gereld Green *ability to play SG/SF, which was a complete steal* , Morris brothers $3,153,860 *abilities to play both F's and even some stretch 5 but also be shipped out to clear cap space as well, Frye *if resigned of his contract that was north of 6.4m*, and Alex Len $3,649,920, who is unlikely to be traded due to his size, ability to continue to improve/development,

Picks owned include

18
27

2014 first round draft pick from Washington *pick 18*
Washington's 2014 1st round pick to Phoenix [Phoenix-Washington, 10/25/2013]

2014 first round draft pick from Indiana *pick 27*
Indiana's 2014 1st round pick to Phoenix [Indiana-Phoenix, 7/28/2013]

2015 first round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-12 in 2015 or 1-12 in 2016; if Minnesota has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Phoenix by 2016, then Minnesota will instead convey its 2016 2nd round pick and 2017 2nd round pick to Phoenix [Minnesota-New Orleans-Phoenix, 7/27/2012]

2015 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-5 in 2015, 1-3 in 2016 or 1-3 in 2017 or unprotected in 2018 [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012]

With NO OUTGOING draft picks outside of this summer for their future, which could be used to fill out their roster THIS SUMMER, mortgaging their FUTURE with a WIN NOW philosophy if they add both Lebron James and CA, likely to trade for either CA or LBJ which would allow them to resign Channing Frye and still have the 5m MLE to sign either ONE impact player like Gasol and Ariza (possibly Lowry) or 2 good role players like Darren Collison/Livingston/Sessions and another player like

and if they can purchase 1 or more 2nd rounders, they have teams in the East like Philly/Cleveland, along with many future draft picks

They have both Dragic and Bledsoe, with the ability to trade either one and net back great value, though I feel with Lebron James ability to facilitate at Point/Forward, having Bledsoe's physical abilities/advantage at the PG spot with supreme speed/quickness/length/athleticism/strength/ability to penetrate/finish with contact, most importantly his DEFENSIVE abilities *one of things that LEBRON values very much*

They also have players that can either be moved *to get even more cap space to give them both a more lucrative deal or continue to develop Alex Len *3.5m*, Markieff Morris *$3,153,860*, Marcus Morris at $2,096,760, and even Gereld Green *which was a negative contract when The Pacer's packaged him along with Plumlee WITH this years pick *pick 27* for Scola which was a pickup from the amnesty which greatly speeded up the rebuilding process

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Philly - Currently their have 27m committed to their contracts BUT have 7 picks this summer, some of which can be moved especially the 3rd pick of the draft that has value and also a decent salary, They have some nice players and a DEFENSIVE STUD in the development of MCW and Noel, players that are still developing include Tony Wroten/Arnett Moultie, with Thad Young being expendable with a player option for 2015 (making $9,160,870 and player option of $9,721,740) They likely would have to give up assets to UNLOAD $6,601,125 of Jason Richarson's expiring and they have the draft picks to do it, while in this DEEP DRAFT can add many role players at the later rounds especially the 2nd round picks, even pick 10 doesn't make too much money in their first year as a rookie

Picks

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10
32
39
47
52
54

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Orlando *after trading Affalo 7.562m* and some players like Moe Harkless, Andrew Nicholson, and have TEAM OPTIONS on Jameer Nelson, Kyle O'Quinn, Doran Lamb, and Jason Maxiell, also the bird rights to Tobias Harris, Vucevic, and Victor Oladipo

2- then teams like Cleveland and Mavs

3- the unlikely like Lakers/Utah, with the the cap space but without the ability to improve nearly as much as the teams above can, especially Suns/Philly

4- There are plenty of teams that can SIGN either James or Melo, like Spurs and Houston (they have to make some moves), Pistons, Celtics, Bobcats, Atlanta (have to make moves), Clippers (will have to make many moves but it isn't that unrealistic to trade players/contracts like DeAndre Jordan/Jamal Crawford/Redick, Matt Barnes

1- 5m + MLE with player option for next season

Unless he signs for the 5m MLE (we need to make moves from either Tyson Chandler and/or Iman Shumpert, JR Smith, Tim Hardaway JR, may net us back positives)
Negating assets or LONGER term deals but possibly LOWER cap space for this summer include Felton, AB, Pablo, and maybe Tyler

4- basically same as above with about 27m commited to salaries, but with Mark Cuban, NO STATE TAX, Dirk, Monta Ellis, some solid role players, and Carlisle

too many teams except a select few *including Knicks being HIGHLY UNLIKELY* can become instant contenders and possibly favorites by landing LBJ via signings him or with limited assets like Heat/Cleveland did
Even teams that don't currently have to cap space, can trade to GET THEMSELVES in position to do so....

Some quick ones include Portland *all they need to do is shed themselves of SOME salaries of either Wesley Mathews (moving Battum/Lebron to SG)
Detroit
Spurs

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I laugh at this because this is what happens when teams point to a certain year when the big FAs become available. We will have cap space in year xxxx so we can attract anyone. Well who will there be out there and who will come to NY when there is not infrastructure to peak their interest. Will players want to come to a team in rebuild mode to join Timmy and the big 2015 mystery pick?

Maybe that's not the thought maybe its the long hustle. The 10 year plan?

Yeah, I'm hopeful that we don't spend just for the sake of spending next summer. Most of the top guys, with the possible exception of Kevin Love, will be around 30. It's one thing if we're talking Kevin Garnett, but we're talking Al Jefferson, LaMarcus Aldrdge etc. The team needs to go full rebuild and not waste time with the fools good that will be littering free agency next year.

The guys in their 30's are winning championships, the guys in their 20's are losing playoff games

I'm not against signing guys in their 30s. I just don't want to sign free agents for big money who are deeper into their prime and aren't good enough to take us where we need to be. Al Jefferson and LaMarcus Adlridge are nice, but they ain't good enough to guarantee a a playoff series win, let alone a title.

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I laugh at this because this is what happens when teams point to a certain year when the big FAs become available. We will have cap space in year xxxx so we can attract anyone. Well who will there be out there and who will come to NY when there is not infrastructure to peak their interest. Will players want to come to a team in rebuild mode to join Timmy and the big 2015 mystery pick?

Maybe that's not the thought maybe its the long hustle. The 10 year plan?

Maybe if the Knicks don't try to sign someone just as their plan b or c and they keep the cap space they could use it to their advantage in future moves.

Of Course that is possible but just don't give the media the narrative of a certain year is "the year"

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Please take a moment to admire the great LeBron for the special talent he is. It never gets old looking at the King's history. So many accomplishments Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan will never achieve:

1. Bronze 2006
2. Bronze 2004
3. NBA finals sweep 2007
4. Go entire Finals scoring 20 pts only one time
5. Quit on his team the year after he promises a championship
6. Dunked on by a highschool kid and then confiscate tape
7. Bail on the dunk contest 9 times
8. Only able to win a ring with 2 superstars
9. 7th best player in NBA finals series.
10. Average 1.8 pts in the 4th quarter of NBA finals.
11. Lose not 1, not 2, but 3 times in the Finals.
12. Host a national televised TV show to leave his team
13. Play on the same team as his moms boyfriend
14. Go 2 for 18 in an NBA playoff game.
15. Get stuffed by a player under 6 feet (Nate Robinson)
16. Flop every single game in the playoffs
17. Choke 4 out of 5 finals games by dropping FG% by 18
18. Vow revenge for 2007 sweep, then proceed to choke again

Queen bitch

His biggest crime is he is not Jordan. Second is the Decison.

Fans so intent on pointing out the negative and never the positive.
He is compared to players who never left because they never had to. Barkley left PHilly. Didn't work out. Maybe we should ask great player stat never had the chance to leave if they regretted or blame Lebron for bolting.

We the public watched Lebrons high school games. We teh public put him up there on the pedestal and now fans love to try to tear him down. A guy so good we hate him because he made it look easy and didn't win until he matured and stopped clowning. If he killed someone and came back to the league we'd cheer his return. We love JR Smith if he is good on the court but his vehicular manslaughter event is forgotten?

If Jordan did not get 30-35 mil might he have left? If the second three peat team was never put together would he have left?

we don't know.

Mercenary. So basically some of you would rather not win a chip then have lebron come for a few years and perhaps won one or two because its "Tainted"? Because its not the 70's team? BUt one with melo is "Organic"? A chip with JR, who killed his best friend in the car for clowning is keeping it "real"?????

Just checking.

There are a few SF/PF's, PF/C's and SG/SF's to target in 2015 that we could get at discounts
Also look to develop our own talents in this draft buy purchasing, trading for picks/draft rights with Chandler/Iman and Tim Hardaway JR and JR Smith at the deadline assuming their value growing with expanded roles and playing in a SYSTEM with higher TEAM EFFICIENCY with CA possibly leaving, possibly sign and trade CA, and continued development with vet min and MLE's that are younger

A few players include

Kevin Love

Rudy Gay *5-8m, if much more, not worth it for risk reward*

Jeff Green, Thad Young, with a SF that is similar to a YOUNG MARION

Asik, DeAndre Jordan, Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert

PGs: love the idea of adding Dragic however, only at the right price, possibly Lin returning at a Felton like contract but prefer to go with YOUNGER PG's in this summers draft with continued development players like Darren Collison, Kendall Marshall, Vasquez with vets being Livingston/Sessions/ Bayless

Again, prefer 2-3 PG's in this draft, same for PF/C's
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DeAndre Kane
Delon Wright
Kendall Williams

Deonte Burton
Xavier Thomas
Bryce Cotton
Semaji Christian

SOME WILL DROP FOR SURE to LATE 2nd ROUNDERS to UNDRAFTED

Along with PF/C
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Jordan Backnaski

Alec Brown

Dwight Powell
Corey Jefferson
Patrick Young

For SG/SF's if they drop
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PJ Hairston
Jordan Clarkson
Jordan Adams

KC McDaniels
DeAndre Daniels
Greek Freek's older brother

The above, more than likely 2-3 players here will fall to the late 2nd rounder to undrafted

IF we can trade CA,

Tyler Ennis, Elfrid Payton, with Jordan Clarkson, Zack Lavine, Aaron Gordon, Adrieyne Payne, TJ Warren if they drop
Now if we are able to get a top 5 pick somehow with Cleveland, Philly, Orlando, etc, there are a variety of talents from Wiggins/Parker/Randle/EMBID to Dante Exum/Smart, Noah Vonleh and Nick Staukus *probably best pure shooter* with Bogdan Bogdanvic a steal as a early 2nd rounder along with PJ Hairston being comparable to JR Smith/Lance Stephenson though he must gain SPEED/QUICKNESS and HANDLE in addition to BB IQ/TEAM GAME/CONSISTENT DEF

1.) Trade JR Smith, Pablo Prigioni and Raymond Felton to the Nets, who send Marcus Thornton to the Jazz, who in turn provide us with a $12 million trade exception. Our payroll would then be at $78 million.

2.) Trade Amare Stoudemire to the Celtics for Gerald Wallace, Keith Bogan's non-guaranteed deal and a $6 million trade exception. We could then waive Bogan's contract set at $5 million, resulting in an $11 million purge, overall. Our payroll would then be at $67 million.

3.) Melo opts out, taking us down to $47 million.

4.) Trade Tyson Chandler and Gerald Wallace to the Mavericks for a $25 million trade exception. Our payroll now stands at $22 million.

5.) Trade Andrea Bargnani and $2 million to the Pistons for Jonas Jerebko and a $6 million trade exception. Our payroll now stands at $16 million.

6.) Trade Iman Shumpert and $1 million to the Thunder for the 21st and 29th picks. Our payroll would then stand at $15 million (factoring in a $2 million cap hold for the draft picks).

With a payroll at only $15 million, we'd have a cap hold for 8 vacant roster spots totaling $4 million, which would bump our payroll to $19 million. In spite of that adjustment, we would have $44 million to work with, which should be enough to sign LeBron and Anthony albeit not much else. We'd still have a $3 million to work with after reaching the cap and about $10 million to work with in 2015. I think that we could expect a reasonable upgrade, especially with a draft pick to work with.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Please take a moment to admire the great LeBron for the special talent he is. It never gets old looking at the King's history. So many accomplishments Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan will never achieve:

1. Bronze 2006
2. Bronze 2004
3. NBA finals sweep 2007
4. Go entire Finals scoring 20 pts only one time
5. Quit on his team the year after he promises a championship
6. Dunked on by a highschool kid and then confiscate tape
7. Bail on the dunk contest 9 times
8. Only able to win a ring with 2 superstars
9. 7th best player in NBA finals series.
10. Average 1.8 pts in the 4th quarter of NBA finals.
11. Lose not 1, not 2, but 3 times in the Finals.
12. Host a national televised TV show to leave his team
13. Play on the same team as his moms boyfriend
14. Go 2 for 18 in an NBA playoff game.
15. Get stuffed by a player under 6 feet (Nate Robinson)
16. Flop every single game in the playoffs
17. Choke 4 out of 5 finals games by dropping FG% by 18
18. Vow revenge for 2007 sweep, then proceed to choke again

Queen bitch

His biggest crime is he is not Jordan. Second is the Decison.

Fans so intent on pointing out the negative and never the positive.
He is compared to players who never left because they never had to. Barkley left PHilly. Didn't work out. Maybe we should ask great player stat never had the chance to leave if they regretted or blame Lebron for bolting.

We the public watched Lebrons high school games. We teh public put him up there on the pedestal and now fans love to try to tear him down. A guy so good we hate him because he made it look easy and didn't win until he matured and stopped clowning. If he killed someone and came back to the league we'd cheer his return. We love JR Smith if he is good on the court but his vehicular manslaughter event is forgotten?

If Jordan did not get 30-35 mil might he have left? If the second three peat team was never put together would he have left?

we don't know.

Mercenary. So basically some of you would rather not win a chip then have lebron come for a few years and perhaps won one or two because its "Tainted"? Because its not the 70's team? BUt one with melo is "Organic"? A chip with JR, who killed his best friend in the car for clowning is keeping it "real"?????

Just checking.

Tainted is your description. I would call the best player on the planet winning a ring, bailing at the first sign of trouble, to win a ring for 2-3 more teams in his career, boring.