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StarksEwing1
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6/22/2014  8:47 PM
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Jmpasq wrote:
tkf wrote:Now that the good news of carmelo no longer being a knick at this point is official... It sucks that bargs and amare opted in. And you knew those two clowns would opt in for the free money.

I want them gone as well!!!


what I also find funny is how carmelo kept quiet and let denver rape us in this deal... he helped denver gain leverage they should have never had, while we may get completely shafted... The bulls don't need us, they can make a deal with orlando to clear cap space and sign carmelo while acquiring a player like aflalo....

Yet TKF is the villain.... LOL!!!

Well at least the Knicks are not giving him a max deal that was the most important thing

Thats what probably scares Phil most of all. He probably doesnt want to pay a monster deal to someone in his 30's.
I don't think this is about what Phil wants. I think if Anthony wanted a max deal push comes to shove he gets it. Phil may want to clean house but I think Melo could get a max deal from the Knicks is that was what he wanted.
I just cant wait for this mess to be over. If melo opted in i would have been fine but now that he opted out im hoping we get some picks and start bringin in some young talent and have plenty of cap space for next summer
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6/22/2014  8:50 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
tkf wrote:Now that the good news of carmelo no longer being a knick at this point is official... It sucks that bargs and amare opted in. And you knew those two clowns would opt in for the free money.

I want them gone as well!!!


what I also find funny is how carmelo kept quiet and let denver rape us in this deal... he helped denver gain leverage they should have never had, while we may get completely shafted... The bulls don't need us, they can make a deal with orlando to clear cap space and sign carmelo while acquiring a player like aflalo....

Yet TKF is the villain.... LOL!!!

Well at least the Knicks are not giving him a max deal that was the most important thing

Thats what probably scares Phil most of all. He probably doesnt want to pay a monster deal to someone in his 30's.
I don't think this is about what Phil wants. I think if Anthony wanted a max deal push comes to shove he gets it. Phil may want to clean house but I think Melo could get a max deal from the Knicks is that was what he wanted.

Dolan did say that Melo was Phil's call but if he gets the max I'm betting it won't be his idea. I don't know if Dolan wants to step in again and embarrass, and hamstring Jackson like he has other GMs in the past. Might be enough for Jackson to hit the road, big paycheck or not.

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6/22/2014  10:05 PM
This won't end with Dolan interference. This is about Melo or Assets acquired. If Phil can manage to get assets out of this then GREAT!!! I think keeping Melo is a very low % possibility. Melo's people are seeing a way for him to get his money and a better team and i'm positive he'll take that option.
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6/22/2014  10:49 PM
mase14 wrote:I wonder if Clipper fans acted like this when Cp3 opted out...smh @ Knicks fans we have the worst fan base

why would they? CP3 is actually the kind of guy you want to keep

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/22/2014  11:02 PM
It is nothing new. Carmelo said he will opt from before the 2013-2014 seasons began and now it is just confirmed what he said officially. I think if Carmelo kept this secret in our last season, the Knicks will have a better record.

OK now, Carmelo officially makes his statement. He wants to win now. He wants to win a chip in 2014-2015, not with the Knicks. I just can wish Carmelo could find his next sweetie home and see how well he can do. If his new team's record worse than the Knicks.............LOL.

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6/23/2014  12:01 AM
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nixluva wrote:Nothing against Melo. I like him but the situation here is not right for him. It's better if he moves on and we go into rebuild mode. If he stays we can't rebuild and he is late in his career for a rebuild so it's just no longer a good fit for him to stay here. A trade is best for all parties involved. It just makes the most sense. He can go to a playoff ready team and we can get to clean house and start with a new core over the next couple of seasons.

I'm extremely curious to see what kind of players Phil drafts and signs. Just going off what he treasures most in players you can get a general idea, but not completely. The only way we'll know for sure is for him to have picks he can use to redo this franchise. If he is able to land a few picks in this draft i'd be ecstatic!!! Trade Tyson for a pick and Melo for maybe a couple...

please stop with this "situation was not right for him" as if this just happened to be the case now.. It was never right for him from day one.. denver was always the better situation for him than NY... he forced his way here for selfish reasons for both he and his horrible wannabe actress of a wife..

we never needed carmelo!!!! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Papabear Says

So you think that not having Melo we will be contenders? well think again. these youn dudes coming into the game could care less about the Zen Master. Get real with Melo gone it will take 5 years to get good real good. We will be waiting along long time.

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6/23/2014  12:08 AM
Papabear, your statement is simply ridiculous. Without Anthony, they still can construct a really good to championship caliber team in 2015 with all the cap space they will have. 2 to 3 years at worse with the new team leadership.

It takes the heart of a champion to stay here and win it all. Ewing had it, Starks/Riley ruined his ring in 94. But he never gave up or wanted to be traded. Melo doesn't have the heart, so good riddance.

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6/23/2014  12:21 AM
NYStateOfMind wrote:Papabear, your statement is simply ridiculous. Without Anthony, they still can construct a really good to championship caliber team in 2015 with all the cap space they will have. 2 to 3 years at worse with the new team leadership.

It takes the heart of a champion to stay here and win it all. Ewing had it, Starks/Riley ruined his ring in 94. But he never gave up or wanted to be traded. Melo doesn't have the heart, so good riddance.

Dave Checketts ran things during the Ewing glory years. Melo is on his fourth gm in 4 years. The moves made since he got to ny for the most part have been ridiculously bad. If there was stability and a championship caliber coach like a riles in place last years team wins 8-10 more games. Imagine if the defensive presence/vet leader was Oak instead of Flu.

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6/23/2014  12:35 AM
NYStateOfMind wrote:Papabear, your statement is simply ridiculous. Without Anthony, they still can construct a really good to championship caliber team in 2015 with all the cap space they will have. 2 to 3 years at worse with the new team leadership.

It takes the heart of a champion to stay here and win it all. Ewing had it, Starks/Riley ruined his ring in 94. But he never gave up or wanted to be traded. Melo doesn't have the heart, so good riddance.

Right, I miss the Ewing's state of mind, never give up. He was a warrior. Melo is a celebrity with brilliant basketball skills.

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6/23/2014  1:20 AM
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tkf wrote:
nixluva wrote:Nothing against Melo. I like him but the situation here is not right for him. It's better if he moves on and we go into rebuild mode. If he stays we can't rebuild and he is late in his career for a rebuild so it's just no longer a good fit for him to stay here. A trade is best for all parties involved. It just makes the most sense. He can go to a playoff ready team and we can get to clean house and start with a new core over the next couple of seasons.

I'm extremely curious to see what kind of players Phil drafts and signs. Just going off what he treasures most in players you can get a general idea, but not completely. The only way we'll know for sure is for him to have picks he can use to redo this franchise. If he is able to land a few picks in this draft i'd be ecstatic!!! Trade Tyson for a pick and Melo for maybe a couple...

please stop with this "situation was not right for him" as if this just happened to be the case now.. It was never right for him from day one.. denver was always the better situation for him than NY... he forced his way here for selfish reasons for both he and his horrible wannabe actress of a wife..

we never needed carmelo!!!! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Papabear Says

So you think that not having Melo we will be contenders? well think again. these youn dudes coming into the game could care less about the Zen Master. Get real with Melo gone it will take 5 years to get good real good. We will be waiting along long time.

not having bargnani we will be contenders, not having felton we will be contenders.. not having carmelo we will be contenders.. and having them all we still won't be contenders, so what is your point?

Get real with Melo gone it will take 5 years to get good real good. We will be waiting along long time.

5 years as opposed to never? I will take 5 years.. but again you expose yourself as a fanboy of carmelo and less of a fan of the knicks... as I said you don't have to be bad for long... teams in the east are getting better fast.. we don't need carmelo, his game is a dinosaur. I am not saying phil is a guarantee to make the knicks good, he is a rookie at this, but I have more faith in anything phil does than carmelo.. and if he fails, he fails.. we sucked anyway.. at least lets do so with guys who want to be here.. no agendas..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/23/2014  1:21 AM
NYStateOfMind wrote:Papabear, your statement is simply ridiculous. Without Anthony, they still can construct a really good to championship caliber team in 2015 with all the cap space they will have. 2 to 3 years at worse with the new team leadership.

It takes the heart of a champion to stay here and win it all. Ewing had it, Starks/Riley ruined his ring in 94. But he never gave up or wanted to be traded. Melo doesn't have the heart, so good riddance.

carmelo withdrawl.. get used to it, you may see a lot of other post like this.. whats odd about it is, we were a lottery team with carmelo.. you would think we just came off a finals appearance.. lol

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/23/2014  1:23 AM
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NYStateOfMind wrote:Papabear, your statement is simply ridiculous. Without Anthony, they still can construct a really good to championship caliber team in 2015 with all the cap space they will have. 2 to 3 years at worse with the new team leadership.

It takes the heart of a champion to stay here and win it all. Ewing had it, Starks/Riley ruined his ring in 94. But he never gave up or wanted to be traded. Melo doesn't have the heart, so good riddance.

Right, I miss the Ewing's state of mind, never give up. He was a warrior. Melo is a celebrity with brilliant basketball skills.

overly generous there..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/23/2014  1:24 AM
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NYStateOfMind wrote:Papabear, your statement is simply ridiculous. Without Anthony, they still can construct a really good to championship caliber team in 2015 with all the cap space they will have. 2 to 3 years at worse with the new team leadership.

It takes the heart of a champion to stay here and win it all. Ewing had it, Starks/Riley ruined his ring in 94. But he never gave up or wanted to be traded. Melo doesn't have the heart, so good riddance.

Dave Checketts ran things during the Ewing glory years. Melo is on his fourth gm in 4 years. The moves made since he got to ny for the most part have been ridiculously bad. If there was stability and a championship caliber coach like a riles in place last years team wins 8-10 more games. Imagine if the defensive presence/vet leader was Oak instead of Flu.

imagine all the things you want.. but also imagine had carmelo waited and signed as a free agent, the knicks would have had a lot more assets to work with.. carmelo forcing his way here was a big part of the problem, good riddance hopefully...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/23/2014  1:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2014  2:02 AM
tkf wrote:
alwaysaknick wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:Papabear, your statement is simply ridiculous. Without Anthony, they still can construct a really good to championship caliber team in 2015 with all the cap space they will have. 2 to 3 years at worse with the new team leadership.

It takes the heart of a champion to stay here and win it all. Ewing had it, Starks/Riley ruined his ring in 94. But he never gave up or wanted to be traded. Melo doesn't have the heart, so good riddance.

Right, I miss the Ewing's state of mind, never give up. He was a warrior. Melo is a celebrity with brilliant basketball skills.

overly generous there..

I admit. No need to be too harsh on him. We know what he is and history will tell.

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6/23/2014  2:05 AM
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tkf wrote:
nixluva wrote:Nothing against Melo. I like him but the situation here is not right for him. It's better if he moves on and we go into rebuild mode. If he stays we can't rebuild and he is late in his career for a rebuild so it's just no longer a good fit for him to stay here. A trade is best for all parties involved. It just makes the most sense. He can go to a playoff ready team and we can get to clean house and start with a new core over the next couple of seasons.

I'm extremely curious to see what kind of players Phil drafts and signs. Just going off what he treasures most in players you can get a general idea, but not completely. The only way we'll know for sure is for him to have picks he can use to redo this franchise. If he is able to land a few picks in this draft i'd be ecstatic!!! Trade Tyson for a pick and Melo for maybe a couple...

please stop with this "situation was not right for him" as if this just happened to be the case now.. It was never right for him from day one.. denver was always the better situation for him than NY... he forced his way here for selfish reasons for both he and his horrible wannabe actress of a wife..

we never needed carmelo!!!! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Papabear Says

So you think that not having Melo we will be contenders? well think again. these youn dudes coming into the game could care less about the Zen Master. Get real with Melo gone it will take 5 years to get good real good. We will be waiting along long time.

With Phil and his co, I don't think it will take 5 years to get back to be good. In Phil we trust. And remember the East the rather weak. I don't think it is too hard to make a few moves to be good again. Good here means a playoff team to me.

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6/23/2014  6:04 AM
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:Papabear, your statement is simply ridiculous. Without Anthony, they still can construct a really good to championship caliber team in 2015 with all the cap space they will have. 2 to 3 years at worse with the new team leadership.

It takes the heart of a champion to stay here and win it all. Ewing had it, Starks/Riley ruined his ring in 94. But he never gave up or wanted to be traded. Melo doesn't have the heart, so good riddance.

Dave Checketts ran things during the Ewing glory years. Melo is on his fourth gm in 4 years. The moves made since he got to ny for the most part have been ridiculously bad. If there was stability and a championship caliber coach like a riles in place last years team wins 8-10 more games. Imagine if the defensive presence/vet leader was Oak instead of Flu.

imagine all the things you want.. but also imagine had carmelo waited and signed as a free agent, the knicks would have had a lot more assets to work with.. carmelo forcing his way here was a big part of the problem, good riddance hopefully...

TKF i got a question for you, would the Spurs have made the Carmelo Anthony trade?

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6/23/2014  6:29 AM
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:Papabear, your statement is simply ridiculous. Without Anthony, they still can construct a really good to championship caliber team in 2015 with all the cap space they will have. 2 to 3 years at worse with the new team leadership.

It takes the heart of a champion to stay here and win it all. Ewing had it, Starks/Riley ruined his ring in 94. But he never gave up or wanted to be traded. Melo doesn't have the heart, so good riddance.

Dave Checketts ran things during the Ewing glory years. Melo is on his fourth gm in 4 years. The moves made since he got to ny for the most part have been ridiculously bad. If there was stability and a championship caliber coach like a riles in place last years team wins 8-10 more games. Imagine if the defensive presence/vet leader was Oak instead of Flu.


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imagine all the things you want.. but also imagine had carmelo waited and signed as a free agent, the knicks would have had a lot more assets to work with.. carmelo forcing his way here was a big part of the problem, good riddance hopefully...

Ujiri was not going to lose Melo for nothing so if he didn't go to the Knicks Melo would have been moved somewhere else. Melo wanted a deal under the old cba because the owners were locking out the players and threatening drastic changes to free agency after the big three colluded in Miami. Melo loses 25 mil if he just waits and goes to te knicks. It wasn't going to happen that way. Everyone involved in your scenario gets burned bad except for the Knicks.
Again you can talk about Ewing and his great heart. But the Knicks had Checketts and for five years they had a championship level hof coach. Melo is on his fourth gm in four years.
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6/23/2014  7:10 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:Papabear, your statement is simply ridiculous. Without Anthony, they still can construct a really good to championship caliber team in 2015 with all the cap space they will have. 2 to 3 years at worse with the new team leadership.

It takes the heart of a champion to stay here and win it all. Ewing had it, Starks/Riley ruined his ring in 94. But he never gave up or wanted to be traded. Melo doesn't have the heart, so good riddance.

Dave Checketts ran things during the Ewing glory years. Melo is on his fourth gm in 4 years. The moves made since he got to ny for the most part have been ridiculously bad. If there was stability and a championship caliber coach like a riles in place last years team wins 8-10 more games. Imagine if the defensive presence/vet leader was Oak instead of Flu.


a
imagine all the things you want.. but also imagine had carmelo waited and signed as a free agent, the knicks would have had a lot more assets to work with.. carmelo forcing his way here was a big part of the problem, good riddance hopefully...

Ujiri was not going to lose Melo for nothing so if he didn't go to the Knicks Melo would have been moved somewhere else. Melo wanted a deal under the old cba because the owners were locking out the players and threatening drastic changes to free agency after the big three colluded in Miami. Melo loses 25 mil if he just waits and goes to te knicks. It wasn't going to happen that way. Everyone involved in your scenario gets burned bad except for the Knicks.
Again you can talk about Ewing and his great heart. But the Knicks had Checketts and for five years they had a championship level hof coach. Melo is on his fourth gm in four years.

I understand Melo's logic for the S&T to the Knicks before the new CBA but it was selfish on his part and stupid on the Knicks too. He got overpaid, built in a player option to either get even more money or exit after only a few seasons, and the Knicks bet the franchise on him.

When you trade most of your starting lineup and several first rounders for a guy - you better make sure it's a long term deal or that the options rest with the team and not the player. Melo has never had to buy in to anything because his options are always open.

His statement at the beginning of the year that he would opt out said everything about him. He set the tone for the season by saying "I want to see what else is out there for me" instead of keeping quiet and being a team player.

Sure he is talented but he has a lot of drawbacks. If we can swing a trade to get back a talented player (maybe something similar to the Nets/Phoenix swap of Kidd and Marbury) then I will be happy. We absolutely should not overpay him to stay here because it will handicap our future.

Lebron, Wade and Bosh all took less. It's a new era in the NBA and I think the max deal will be a franchise killer as long as we have a salary cap. I also think guaranteed contracts need to go but that's another debate.

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6/23/2014  8:33 AM
Bargnani is our wild card. He is with us for one more year.

Could be longer. Why? He gets better!!! If so, rejoice. If not, say buh bye!

on the other hand, he can make decent money in Europe and play a game more suitable to his physicality.

Either way, we good.

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6/23/2014  8:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2014  8:39 AM
Nalod wrote:Bargnani is our wild card. He is with us for one more year.

Could be longer. Why? He gets better!!! If so, rejoice. If not, say buh bye!

on the other hand, he can make decent money in Europe and play a game more suitable to his physicality.

Either way, we good.

LOL. I apreciate a few people still have faith in bargs but realistically he is what he is. He has been a disappointing former number 1 pick who can score BUT is a terible defender and gets hurts quite often. The good news is that he is gone after next year the bad news is that we lost out 2016 first round pick
Melo opts out...

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