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tkf
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6/20/2014  1:27 PM
mreinman wrote:
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yellowboy90 wrote:Luol Deng is a 5m player that can't shoot and is injury prone. So why not add hum to the knicks. If I'm the Heat I would think about adding him to the bench if everyone stays.

for his career he is a 46% shooter.. so either he is getting a lot of dunks ala shaq style or he is scoring on the perimeter which means he is a pretty good shooter..

Injury prone? not sure I would call him that.. what he is tho is a heck of a small foward who can play both sides of the ball...

If he is getting a lot of dunks and only shoots 46% he is awful. Who wants a guy who shoots 46% at the rim. His efg% has only been over 50% twice in his career. His perimeter shooting sucks because he is not even an average 3pt shooter.

He is a expensive one sided player that has been pushed very hard by Thibs. If you want a defensive player that can't shoot but plays defense and rebounds well why not get Aminu for the vet minimum or Sefolosa.

you are missing my point... he obviously isn't getting most of his points on dunks... he is getting them on the perimeter.. so 46% is not that bad.. lets put it this way, for his career carmelo shoots less.. is he a bad shooter?

His perimeter shooting sucks because he is not even an average 3pt shooter.

that is not only ridiculous, but makes no sense.. it means he is not a good 3 pt shooter... doesn't mean he isn't a good shooter from the perimeter..

luol deng shot over 50% from the field one time in his career.. a lot of guys have never achieved that at all. including carmelo.. just saying..

for his career he shoots 48% from two... not bad at all.. again considering he isn't getting a ton of dunks... and layups...

He is a expensive one sided player that has been pushed very hard by Thibs. If you want a defensive player that can't shoot but plays defense and rebounds well why not get Aminu for the vet minimum or Sefolosa.

I think you should read what you type before you hit that enter button.. that is all I have to say on this...

You really need to understand efficiency. Smh. I'll leave it at that.

you can leave it at what you want.. you called him a bad shooter, he shoots 46% from the field.. you can try voodoo math all you want, but 46% is 46%.. when the spurs went 19-21 from the field the other game, i didn't need to know anything else, except that they shot 91% from the field and that is DAMN GREAT...

you can try all of the advanced stats all you want.. truth be told. luol hits 46% of the shots he takes from the floor.. that is pretty good and debunks your comment that he can't shoot!!

what I am trying to help you to do is see this.. if you line a player up.. to shoot from 10-20 feet how many shots will he hit.. the shots have no point value at all, all we are counting is makes and misses.. you do understand that if I shoot 46% and you shoot 44% I will make more shots than you.. right? you are confusing efficiency percentage with the three point shot attached with the ability to shoot the ball.... You seem to be totally confused

LOL.

i do find it funny how clueless you are.. you actually compute the EFG as one's ability to shoot the ball.. you just don't get it...

+1 LOL. You are a true Gem. Well maybe a synthetic diamond but you still shine bright. Good show good sir.

nice way to wave the white flag.. and very smart.. you were getting mopped up anyway...

ha ha. Your games are amusing and has always been. Your post has always been incredible funny because you really believe the stuff you say and can't be moved regardless of the evidence against it. It's amazing.

TKF mopped the floor with me everyone. He is the greatest.

I am really laughing out loud. White flag ... great stuff ... mopped the floors ... can't make this sh1t up if you tried.

Yellow, can you be my DK to love and to cherish etc ...?


you are a perfect candidate to join the peanut gallery.. do you make a habbit of associating yourself with ignorance?

I much rather associate myself with the likes of DK than with those who don't have a clue what they are talking about.. but then again, you should feel right at home with that.. mr. 38% highly efficient...

Thats funny :-)

DK is actually a smart guy, he just has dumb friends/cronies.

Keep up the shenanigans its very entertaining.

you have yet to present one argument about luol deng in this thread.. what you have become is another mindless follower... that is sad, because at one point you would at least present an argument.. a stupid one most of the time, but nonetheless a argument..

this is pretty much the equivalent of 38% and Highly efficient... LOL

When the mod basically calls you out for being thick headed and saying the "dumbest" things is when I realized that there is not point in conversing with you since there is no hope that you can see the light. You will always remain in the dark (and blabbing).

THE MOD was not modding, that is no different than any one of you posting. because he owns the site that makes his comments better or more concrete? this is just another one of your ridiculous observations.. what martin was doing was being a frustrated fan, and it happens, I modded a site much bigger than this and it happens.. and he is entitled to say whatever he wants.. I don't have to agree.. the fact that you are trying to piggy back on that just shows that you are lacking..

You do realize you have yet to contribute to anything about this topic... what a mod should do now is MOD YOU.. you should be told to contribute or leave.. you exhibit the traits of a shchizophernic child. and it really is getting old..

I will continue to do with you what I have in the past. If you are not going to talk basketball don't bother talking to me at all. I raised two children already and I don't have time to deal with another one.. especially one who thinks 38% is highly efficient...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/20/2014  1:34 PM
tkf wrote:
mreinman wrote:
tkf wrote:
mreinman wrote:
tkf wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
tkf wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Luol Deng is a 5m player that can't shoot and is injury prone. So why not add hum to the knicks. If I'm the Heat I would think about adding him to the bench if everyone stays.

for his career he is a 46% shooter.. so either he is getting a lot of dunks ala shaq style or he is scoring on the perimeter which means he is a pretty good shooter..

Injury prone? not sure I would call him that.. what he is tho is a heck of a small foward who can play both sides of the ball...

If he is getting a lot of dunks and only shoots 46% he is awful. Who wants a guy who shoots 46% at the rim. His efg% has only been over 50% twice in his career. His perimeter shooting sucks because he is not even an average 3pt shooter.

He is a expensive one sided player that has been pushed very hard by Thibs. If you want a defensive player that can't shoot but plays defense and rebounds well why not get Aminu for the vet minimum or Sefolosa.

you are missing my point... he obviously isn't getting most of his points on dunks... he is getting them on the perimeter.. so 46% is not that bad.. lets put it this way, for his career carmelo shoots less.. is he a bad shooter?

His perimeter shooting sucks because he is not even an average 3pt shooter.

that is not only ridiculous, but makes no sense.. it means he is not a good 3 pt shooter... doesn't mean he isn't a good shooter from the perimeter..

luol deng shot over 50% from the field one time in his career.. a lot of guys have never achieved that at all. including carmelo.. just saying..

for his career he shoots 48% from two... not bad at all.. again considering he isn't getting a ton of dunks... and layups...

He is a expensive one sided player that has been pushed very hard by Thibs. If you want a defensive player that can't shoot but plays defense and rebounds well why not get Aminu for the vet minimum or Sefolosa.

I think you should read what you type before you hit that enter button.. that is all I have to say on this...

You really need to understand efficiency. Smh. I'll leave it at that.

you can leave it at what you want.. you called him a bad shooter, he shoots 46% from the field.. you can try voodoo math all you want, but 46% is 46%.. when the spurs went 19-21 from the field the other game, i didn't need to know anything else, except that they shot 91% from the field and that is DAMN GREAT...

you can try all of the advanced stats all you want.. truth be told. luol hits 46% of the shots he takes from the floor.. that is pretty good and debunks your comment that he can't shoot!!

what I am trying to help you to do is see this.. if you line a player up.. to shoot from 10-20 feet how many shots will he hit.. the shots have no point value at all, all we are counting is makes and misses.. you do understand that if I shoot 46% and you shoot 44% I will make more shots than you.. right? you are confusing efficiency percentage with the three point shot attached with the ability to shoot the ball.... You seem to be totally confused

LOL.

i do find it funny how clueless you are.. you actually compute the EFG as one's ability to shoot the ball.. you just don't get it...

+1 LOL. You are a true Gem. Well maybe a synthetic diamond but you still shine bright. Good show good sir.

nice way to wave the white flag.. and very smart.. you were getting mopped up anyway...

ha ha. Your games are amusing and has always been. Your post has always been incredible funny because you really believe the stuff you say and can't be moved regardless of the evidence against it. It's amazing.

TKF mopped the floor with me everyone. He is the greatest.

I am really laughing out loud. White flag ... great stuff ... mopped the floors ... can't make this sh1t up if you tried.

Yellow, can you be my DK to love and to cherish etc ...?


you are a perfect candidate to join the peanut gallery.. do you make a habbit of associating yourself with ignorance?

I much rather associate myself with the likes of DK than with those who don't have a clue what they are talking about.. but then again, you should feel right at home with that.. mr. 38% highly efficient...

Thats funny :-)

DK is actually a smart guy, he just has dumb friends/cronies.

Keep up the shenanigans its very entertaining.

you have yet to present one argument about luol deng in this thread.. what you have become is another mindless follower... that is sad, because at one point you would at least present an argument.. a stupid one most of the time, but nonetheless a argument..

this is pretty much the equivalent of 38% and Highly efficient... LOL

When the mod basically calls you out for being thick headed and saying the "dumbest" things is when I realized that there is not point in conversing with you since there is no hope that you can see the light. You will always remain in the dark (and blabbing).

THE MOD was not modding, that is no different than any one of you posting. because he owns the site that makes his comments better or more concrete? this is just another one of your ridiculous observations.. what martin was doing was being a frustrated fan, and it happens, I modded a site much bigger than this and it happens.. and he is entitled to say whatever he wants.. I don't have to agree.. the fact that you are trying to piggy back on that just shows that you are lacking..

You do realize you have yet to contribute to anything about this topic... what a mod should do now is MOD YOU.. you should be told to contribute or leave.. you exhibit the traits of a shchizophernic child. and it really is getting old..

I will continue to do with you what I have in the past. If you are not going to talk basketball don't bother talking to me at all. I raised two children already and I don't have time to deal with another one.. especially one who thinks 38% is highly efficient...

TFK would know! He used to be a moderator on a Knick board. What happened?

TFK understands the traits of a shchizophernic child. He's grown up now and has moved on to building pipe bombs with Melo's name on them.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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6/20/2014  3:35 PM
why focus on his shooting alone? is this a shooting practice league or doesn't the overall game count for anything?

the dude has a great all around game. plays great defense. he shoots better from 2 than carmelo anthony yet he is a bad shooter? crazy. he doesn't shoot so many threes that he hurts his teams-- that's what anthiny is guilty of. and since he takes only 13 shots per game he doesn't shoot so much that he undermines cohesion.

in fact he shares the ball beautifully and creates cohesion, he is a workhorse to a fault-- thibs achilles heel is playing his guys too many minutes.

i agree that whoever he plays for should cut back his minutes like popovich is great at. 30 minutes a game would do wonders for him come playoff time.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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6/20/2014  4:13 PM
dk7th wrote:why focus on his shooting alone? is this a shooting practice league or doesn't the overall game count for anything?

the dude has a great all around game. plays great defense. he shoots better from 2 than carmelo anthony yet he is a bad shooter? crazy. he doesn't shoot so many threes that he hurts his teams-- that's what anthiny is guilty of. and since he takes only 13 shots per game he doesn't shoot so much that he undermines cohesion.

in fact he shares the ball beautifully and creates cohesion, he is a workhorse to a fault-- thibs achilles heel is playing his guys too many minutes.

i agree that whoever he plays for should cut back his minutes like popovich is great at. 30 minutes a game would do wonders for him come playoff time.

I pointed that out early and he went right to EFG and every other advanced stat..

which is why I asked him earlier.. If we just lined up outside and said who can make the most shots out of 10, the person that shoots 46% is going to make more than the person who shoots 44%, therefore if you consider someone who shoots 44% a good shooter, how is someone who shoots 46% bad... you know I didn't get an answer to that, instead I got insults and the peanut gallery joined in the mele.. go figure...

but Anyway as you said there is so much more than offense, Deng is pretty much a complete player, and a great team player.. as you suggested, cutting back his minutes should work wonders for him..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/20/2014  4:44 PM
tkf wrote:
dk7th wrote:why focus on his shooting alone? is this a shooting practice league or doesn't the overall game count for anything?

the dude has a great all around game. plays great defense. he shoots better from 2 than carmelo anthony yet he is a bad shooter? crazy. he doesn't shoot so many threes that he hurts his teams-- that's what anthiny is guilty of. and since he takes only 13 shots per game he doesn't shoot so much that he undermines cohesion.

in fact he shares the ball beautifully and creates cohesion, he is a workhorse to a fault-- thibs achilles heel is playing his guys too many minutes.

i agree that whoever he plays for should cut back his minutes like popovich is great at. 30 minutes a game would do wonders for him come playoff time.

I pointed that out early and he went right to EFG and every other advanced stat..

which is why I asked him earlier.. If we just lined up outside and said who can make the most shots out of 10, the person that shoots 46% is going to make more than the person who shoots 44%, therefore if you consider someone who shoots 44% a good shooter, how is someone who shoots 46% bad... you know I didn't get an answer to that, instead I got insults and the peanut gallery joined in the mele.. go figure...

but Anyway as you said there is so much more than offense, Deng is pretty much a complete player, and a great team player.. as you suggested, cutting back his minutes should work wonders for him..

i feel like it's important to look at the number of shots taken-- AND missed. what i mean is, without looking at pace, you can't say that you prefer that the opponent get x number of extra shots/possessions because you have 38% three-point shooter.

this does not mean there is not a tipping point on shooting threes where there is a benefit to shooting more threes, but i doubt that it is under 40%.

spurs shot 46.6% from 3 and DESTROYED miami.

bottom line if the knicks want to be relevant they need to start acquiring two-way, ball sharing players and make a rotation ten-deep. they can probably be found in this draft for all i know.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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6/20/2014  9:01 PM
Finestrg wrote:A little tunnel vision on my part but Devin Ebanks, DeQuan Jones and Terrence Williams are the players I'd like to see us add that can play SF.

I think we should try to get D.Granger.
tkf
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6/21/2014  1:52 PM
dk7th wrote:
tkf wrote:
dk7th wrote:why focus on his shooting alone? is this a shooting practice league or doesn't the overall game count for anything?

the dude has a great all around game. plays great defense. he shoots better from 2 than carmelo anthony yet he is a bad shooter? crazy. he doesn't shoot so many threes that he hurts his teams-- that's what anthiny is guilty of. and since he takes only 13 shots per game he doesn't shoot so much that he undermines cohesion.

in fact he shares the ball beautifully and creates cohesion, he is a workhorse to a fault-- thibs achilles heel is playing his guys too many minutes.

i agree that whoever he plays for should cut back his minutes like popovich is great at. 30 minutes a game would do wonders for him come playoff time.

I pointed that out early and he went right to EFG and every other advanced stat..

which is why I asked him earlier.. If we just lined up outside and said who can make the most shots out of 10, the person that shoots 46% is going to make more than the person who shoots 44%, therefore if you consider someone who shoots 44% a good shooter, how is someone who shoots 46% bad... you know I didn't get an answer to that, instead I got insults and the peanut gallery joined in the mele.. go figure...

but Anyway as you said there is so much more than offense, Deng is pretty much a complete player, and a great team player.. as you suggested, cutting back his minutes should work wonders for him..

i feel like it's important to look at the number of shots taken-- AND missed. what i mean is, without looking at pace, you can't say that you prefer that the opponent get x number of extra shots/possessions because you have 38% three-point shooter.

this does not mean there is not a tipping point on shooting threes where there is a benefit to shooting more threes, but i doubt that it is under 40%.

spurs shot 46.6% from 3 and DESTROYED miami.

bottom line if the knicks want to be relevant they need to start acquiring two-way, ball sharing players and make a rotation ten-deep. they can probably be found in this draft for all i know.

true, and one thing about that, you can tell a lot about whats going on in a game, just from that. For instance when the spurs shot 19-21 from the field, we knew one thing.. the heat were probably in trouble... sometimes it is just that simple. try to make most of the shots you take..

spurs shot 46.6% from 3 and DESTROYED miami.

spurs are smart when it comes to shooting threes.. usually the guys who shoot it well (ie: patty mills)usually take most of those shots... you even saw parker turn down open threes to get into the lane and take shots that he made at a high rate...

spurs pretty much did every thing they do well, GREAT....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
Luol Deng...........

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