jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

TKF and D7ths worst nightmare will be to see Melo win a championship for New York. They would call it illegal and it don't count because Melo played in the game.

I think it's safe to say - there's no way in hell that will happen.

Yeah, seriously. He didn't even say "would" - he said "will" be to see. Wow.

i will tell you what will happen: melo is going to be shown the door [hallelujah]: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/sports/basketball/knicks-are-changing-with-or-without-carmelo-anthony.html?ref=basketball&_r=0

when this happens then all the melo fluffers across all knick forums everywhere will be up in arms so they don't have to pay attention to the egg on their face. then they will predictably start hating on jackson and fisher through the next season.

See, this is where your Melohate clouds your very limited cognitive abilities.

Did we Homers give two sheets about melo in Denver? Did we? I know I could care less. We like Melo because he's on the Knicks. He plays for our team. I truly don't remember seeing a Youtube Melo Thread until he was actually on the Knicks. I don't remember PapaBear or any other of us homers wheedling our time away starting threads and talking about Melo until and around the time of the trade.

You hate Melo, and think anyone cheering for your fat, unidimensional, cancerous pariah is obviously tied to his tiny little gonads for life. This, unfortunately for you, is not the case.

Will we be sad to him go? Like our vaunted, egregiously overpaid GM/President/Franchise Saviour has said, we will be fortunate if he stays.

If Melo becomes an ex-Knick, and we suhuck (like we did before Melo got here), as opposed to making the playoffs 3 out of 4 years and winning anything at all, then you will still be happy.

It's a win/win for you, as long as Melo leaves.

For those of us who actually like the Knicks, no matter what, without all the self-entitled, GM-genius-wannabe rantings, beeyatching about what we fans deserve and we goddammit won't put up with (or support with our dollars) anymore!, we will still be here, watching and hoping for that next chip.

That would include not hating on PJax and his little protege, who, I don't believe, anyone in Homerville has anything against.

Be a hater! Be proud! Just don't project your hate to those of us who don't.

well that is the problem JROD, what kind of standards are those.. this is the very reason why this board becomes littered with unrealistic expectations and post.. because people just root for a guy because he is on the knicks.. honestly does that really make any sense? where are the standards?

I didn't like carmelo in Denver and I don't like him in NY.. when he leaves. I still won't like him.. consistency..

so let me get this straight... if there is a player in the league who plays the game and conducts himself in a manner contradictory to what you believe in as a fan... as long as he comes to NY, all is good?

Like fish said, did Melo kill puppies? Run a child slavery ring? Spread AIDS on purpose?
I wasn't a great fan of Marbury, ever. But I wanted him to excel as a Knick, because, I'm a Knick fan.

Melo doesn't play the game or conduct himself in a manner that you agree with? Did Marbury? Did Sprewell?

So the intelligent fan goes up and down the roster and sheets on the team because he doesn't approve of his game, his attitude, his headband, his face?

It's basketball, tkf. It's not life and death. Melo is not raising your children for you.
Simplify your life, tkf. You will probably live alot longer.

Yes, I root for the Knicks. Whether it's Pat Cummings or Pat Ewing.

+ 1,0000

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

TKF and D7ths worst nightmare will be to see Melo win a championship for New York. They would call it illegal and it don't count because Melo played in the game.

I think it's safe to say - there's no way in hell that will happen.

Yeah, seriously. He didn't even say "would" - he said "will" be to see. Wow.

i will tell you what will happen: melo is going to be shown the door [hallelujah]: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/sports/basketball/knicks-are-changing-with-or-without-carmelo-anthony.html?ref=basketball&_r=0

when this happens then all the melo fluffers across all knick forums everywhere will be up in arms so they don't have to pay attention to the egg on their face. then they will predictably start hating on jackson and fisher through the next season.

See, this is where your Melohate clouds your very limited cognitive abilities.

Did we Homers give two sheets about melo in Denver? Did we? I know I could care less. We like Melo because he's on the Knicks. He plays for our team. I truly don't remember seeing a Youtube Melo Thread until he was actually on the Knicks. I don't remember PapaBear or any other of us homers wheedling our time away starting threads and talking about Melo until and around the time of the trade.

You hate Melo, and think anyone cheering for your fat, unidimensional, cancerous pariah is obviously tied to his tiny little gonads for life. This, unfortunately for you, is not the case.

Will we be sad to him go? Like our vaunted, egregiously overpaid GM/President/Franchise Saviour has said, we will be fortunate if he stays.

If Melo becomes an ex-Knick, and we suhuck (like we did before Melo got here), as opposed to making the playoffs 3 out of 4 years and winning anything at all, then you will still be happy.

It's a win/win for you, as long as Melo leaves.

For those of us who actually like the Knicks, no matter what, without all the self-entitled, GM-genius-wannabe rantings, beeyatching about what we fans deserve and we goddammit won't put up with (or support with our dollars) anymore!, we will still be here, watching and hoping for that next chip.

That would include not hating on PJax and his little protege, who, I don't believe, anyone in Homerville has anything against.

Be a hater! Be proud! Just don't project your hate to those of us who don't.

well that is the problem JROD, what kind of standards are those.. this is the very reason why this board becomes littered with unrealistic expectations and post.. because people just root for a guy because he is on the knicks.. honestly does that really make any sense? where are the standards?

I didn't like carmelo in Denver and I don't like him in NY.. when he leaves. I still won't like him.. consistency..

so let me get this straight... if there is a player in the league who plays the game and conducts himself in a manner contradictory to what you believe in as a fan... as long as he comes to NY, all is good?

Read his post again. He's basically saying we were indifferent when it came to Melo before he was here in NY. When he's on our favorite team and we want our team to win, we root for him. Nowhere in the bold did he say we went from hating Melo when he was in Denver to liking him just because he's on the Knicks.

Funny enough it actually seems like you did the exact opposite.

that sounds like a cop out... because you are basically telling me he has no opinion or feeling about any player in this league not in a knick uniform? well that tells me he is not watching the game of basketball.... he handicaps himself when it comes to discussing how our team can get better..

I also find that hard to believe because oftn

Funny enough it actually seems like you did the exact opposite.

really? that is odd, I didn't like him them and didn't like when we got him.. this is the same dude that sucker punched a knick player and ran like a girl...

were you or anyone else indifferent then?

i mean obviously i hated the trade, and the heart of the matter was not that we gave up way too much and paid him way too much, but that I DO NOT LIKE HIS GAME. he is a divisive player for a very good reason.

that means that, like boozer or any other player whose game i don't like, i am not going to change my mind because he is wearing a knick uniform. that's stupid.

now, on the other hand, if we had made a trade for a player like pierce or garnett at similar points in their career-- and whose games i admire-- i think the hypocrisy of a good many posters would be exposed.

exactly.. now I hear the term "indifferent" I mean come on...

Uptown wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

TKF and D7ths worst nightmare will be to see Melo win a championship for New York. They would call it illegal and it don't count because Melo played in the game.

I think it's safe to say - there's no way in hell that will happen.

Yeah, seriously. He didn't even say "would" - he said "will" be to see. Wow.

i will tell you what will happen: melo is going to be shown the door [hallelujah]: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/sports/basketball/knicks-are-changing-with-or-without-carmelo-anthony.html?ref=basketball&_r=0

when this happens then all the melo fluffers across all knick forums everywhere will be up in arms so they don't have to pay attention to the egg on their face. then they will predictably start hating on jackson and fisher through the next season.

See, this is where your Melohate clouds your very limited cognitive abilities.

Did we Homers give two sheets about melo in Denver? Did we? I know I could care less. We like Melo because he's on the Knicks. He plays for our team. I truly don't remember seeing a Youtube Melo Thread until he was actually on the Knicks. I don't remember PapaBear or any other of us homers wheedling our time away starting threads and talking about Melo until and around the time of the trade.

You hate Melo, and think anyone cheering for your fat, unidimensional, cancerous pariah is obviously tied to his tiny little gonads for life. This, unfortunately for you, is not the case.

Will we be sad to him go? Like our vaunted, egregiously overpaid GM/President/Franchise Saviour has said, we will be fortunate if he stays.

If Melo becomes an ex-Knick, and we suhuck (like we did before Melo got here), as opposed to making the playoffs 3 out of 4 years and winning anything at all, then you will still be happy.

It's a win/win for you, as long as Melo leaves.

For those of us who actually like the Knicks, no matter what, without all the self-entitled, GM-genius-wannabe rantings, beeyatching about what we fans deserve and we goddammit won't put up with (or support with our dollars) anymore!, we will still be here, watching and hoping for that next chip.

That would include not hating on PJax and his little protege, who, I don't believe, anyone in Homerville has anything against.

Be a hater! Be proud! Just don't project your hate to those of us who don't.

Post of the Week!!!! Couldn't agree more....Most of us root for the name on the front of the jersey...dk and crew seem to have their allegiance to a team challenged when they don't like one of the names on the back of the jersey....

no when the name on the back of the jersey hurts the name on the front then we have a problem with it. You are rooting for the name on the back of the jersey... carmelo has done more damage to this franchise than good... yet you defend him? why?

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

TKF and D7ths worst nightmare will be to see Melo win a championship for New York. They would call it illegal and it don't count because Melo played in the game.

I think it's safe to say - there's no way in hell that will happen.

Yeah, seriously. He didn't even say "would" - he said "will" be to see. Wow.

i will tell you what will happen: melo is going to be shown the door [hallelujah]: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/sports/basketball/knicks-are-changing-with-or-without-carmelo-anthony.html?ref=basketball&_r=0

when this happens then all the melo fluffers across all knick forums everywhere will be up in arms so they don't have to pay attention to the egg on their face. then they will predictably start hating on jackson and fisher through the next season.

See, this is where your Melohate clouds your very limited cognitive abilities.

Did we Homers give two sheets about melo in Denver? Did we? I know I could care less. We like Melo because he's on the Knicks. He plays for our team. I truly don't remember seeing a Youtube Melo Thread until he was actually on the Knicks. I don't remember PapaBear or any other of us homers wheedling our time away starting threads and talking about Melo until and around the time of the trade.

You hate Melo, and think anyone cheering for your fat, unidimensional, cancerous pariah is obviously tied to his tiny little gonads for life. This, unfortunately for you, is not the case.

Will we be sad to him go? Like our vaunted, egregiously overpaid GM/President/Franchise Saviour has said, we will be fortunate if he stays.

If Melo becomes an ex-Knick, and we suhuck (like we did before Melo got here), as opposed to making the playoffs 3 out of 4 years and winning anything at all, then you will still be happy.

It's a win/win for you, as long as Melo leaves.

For those of us who actually like the Knicks, no matter what, without all the self-entitled, GM-genius-wannabe rantings, beeyatching about what we fans deserve and we goddammit won't put up with (or support with our dollars) anymore!, we will still be here, watching and hoping for that next chip.

That would include not hating on PJax and his little protege, who, I don't believe, anyone in Homerville has anything against.

Be a hater! Be proud! Just don't project your hate to those of us who don't.

Post of the Week!!!! Couldn't agree more....Most of us root for the name on the front of the jersey...dk and crew seem to have their allegiance to a team challenged when they don't like one of the names on the back of the jersey....

no when the name on the back of the jersey hurts the name on the front then we have a problem with it. You are rooting for the name on the back of the jersey... carmelo has done more damage to this franchise than good... yet you defend him? why?

I'm a bit confused about what the damage is that Carmelo has done to the franchise. You have to take the trade off the table, he was not responsible for trading himself to the Knicks, acquiring him and giving up assets was the responsibility of Dolan/Walsh.

The Knicks were not a playoff caliber team until he arrival of Amare....and they continued to be a playoff caliber team after the Arrival of Melo - and despite Amare's injuries.

The Knicks were not a Championship contender prior to the Melo arrival, and they were not a ship contender after the Melo arrival.

The Knicks traded away assets at an alarming rate before the Melo trade/arrival and they continued to trade away assets after his arrival.

The Knicks turned over coaches at a fairly frequent rate and continue to do so....before and after the Melo arrival.

The Knicks did not develop and stick with young talent before the Melo trade and have yet to show they can do this after the Melo trade.

You may not like the way Melo plays, enough so that you despise him personally...that is certainly your prerogative. However when you start making subjective statements about his damage to a franchise it calls in to question the credibility of your assessment.

I'm a bit confused about what the damage is that Carmelo has done to the franchise. You have to take the trade off the table, he was not responsible for trading himself to the Knicks, acquiring him and giving up assets was the responsibility of Dolan/Walsh.

He forced his way here.. could have spared the knicks all of their assets and signed as a free agent. he went over head and forced his way here by going to dolan. That has hurt this franchise, unless you feel being a lottery team with no picks in two of the next three drafts is being in good shape..

The Knicks were not a Championship contender prior to the Melo arrival, and they were not a ship contender after the Melo arrival.

well ok, so what you are saying is that we are no better off yet we gave up all of our assets and added more salary in carmelo.. do you think that is good or bad?The Knicks traded away assets at an alarming rate before the Melo trade/arrival and they continued to trade away assets after his arrival.

The Knicks traded away assets at an alarming rate before the Melo trade/arrival and they continued to trade away assets after his arrival.

Ok, and I didn't like it then either.... so what is the point of defending bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior...

The Knicks turned over coaches at a fairly frequent rate and continue to do so....before and after the Melo arrival.

and guess what is a constant in all of that.. malcontent so called franchise players sabotaging the franchise..

The Knicks did not develop and stick with young talent before the Melo trade and have yet to show they can do this after the Melo trade.

actually that is what walsh was doing until carmelo and dolan put their tiny brains together.. to hell with both of them...

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

TKF and D7ths worst nightmare will be to see Melo win a championship for New York. They would call it illegal and it don't count because Melo played in the game.

I think it's safe to say - there's no way in hell that will happen.

Yeah, seriously. He didn't even say "would" - he said "will" be to see. Wow.

i will tell you what will happen: melo is going to be shown the door [hallelujah]: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/sports/basketball/knicks-are-changing-with-or-without-carmelo-anthony.html?ref=basketball&_r=0

when this happens then all the melo fluffers across all knick forums everywhere will be up in arms so they don't have to pay attention to the egg on their face. then they will predictably start hating on jackson and fisher through the next season.

See, this is where your Melohate clouds your very limited cognitive abilities.

Did we Homers give two sheets about melo in Denver? Did we? I know I could care less. We like Melo because he's on the Knicks. He plays for our team. I truly don't remember seeing a Youtube Melo Thread until he was actually on the Knicks. I don't remember PapaBear or any other of us homers wheedling our time away starting threads and talking about Melo until and around the time of the trade.

You hate Melo, and think anyone cheering for your fat, unidimensional, cancerous pariah is obviously tied to his tiny little gonads for life. This, unfortunately for you, is not the case.

Will we be sad to him go? Like our vaunted, egregiously overpaid GM/President/Franchise Saviour has said, we will be fortunate if he stays.

If Melo becomes an ex-Knick, and we suhuck (like we did before Melo got here), as opposed to making the playoffs 3 out of 4 years and winning anything at all, then you will still be happy.

It's a win/win for you, as long as Melo leaves.

For those of us who actually like the Knicks, no matter what, without all the self-entitled, GM-genius-wannabe rantings, beeyatching about what we fans deserve and we goddammit won't put up with (or support with our dollars) anymore!, we will still be here, watching and hoping for that next chip.

That would include not hating on PJax and his little protege, who, I don't believe, anyone in Homerville has anything against.

Be a hater! Be proud! Just don't project your hate to those of us who don't.

Post of the Week!!!! Couldn't agree more....Most of us root for the name on the front of the jersey...dk and crew seem to have their allegiance to a team challenged when they don't like one of the names on the back of the jersey....

no when the name on the back of the jersey hurts the name on the front then we have a problem with it. You are rooting for the name on the back of the jersey... carmelo has done more damage to this franchise than good... yet you defend him? why?

I'm a bit confused about what the damage is that Carmelo has done to the franchise. You have to take the trade off the table, he was not responsible for trading himself to the Knicks, acquiring him and giving up assets was the responsibility of Dolan/Walsh.

The Knicks were not a playoff caliber team until he arrival of Amare....and they continued to be a playoff caliber team after the Arrival of Melo - and despite Amare's injuries.

The Knicks were not a Championship contender prior to the Melo arrival, and they were not a ship contender after the Melo arrival.

The Knicks traded away assets at an alarming rate before the Melo trade/arrival and they continued to trade away assets after his arrival.

The Knicks turned over coaches at a fairly frequent rate and continue to do so....before and after the Melo arrival.

The Knicks did not develop and stick with young talent before the Melo trade and have yet to show they can do this after the Melo trade.

You may not like the way Melo plays, enough so that you despise him personally...that is certainly your prerogative. However when you start making subjective statements about his damage to a franchise it calls in to question the credibility of your assessment.

nyk4ever wrote:why do you guys bother responding to him? he hasn't had a valid point on this forum in years.

1) It's the offseason. We're all bored.
2) If we do well this upcoming season and Melo's still here, he won't be around much.
3) tkf provides us with constant validation of why we actually are Knick fans.
4) Responding to tkf is sort of like rubbernecking at an accident on the way to work. You wouldn't spend much time doing it on the ride home, however.

jrodmc wrote:

foosballnick wrote:TKF,

I'm sorry but the argument you are presenting does not appear to be logical.

You made a claim in this thread that Melo has Damaged the Knicks by being here. And backed that claim up by stating that he was responsible for essentially being the Knicks GM by forcing himself here and trading himself to the Knicks for assets. o

Here's the problem with this argument. The Knicks (Dolan/Walsh) were not forced to trade for Melo, they were the ones who agreed to the trade with Denver. If Melo did not want to wait for Free Agency....they could have went in a different direction. You can not assign blame to Melo for a decision that was made by Dolan. If you want to assign blame to Dolan for where the team is with regards to roster, cap space and picks, then you have a point.

Secondly - the Knicks are essentially the same franchise they were prior to Melo arriving. One could even argue that they had better in season results and achieved the playoffs more often with Melo then without him. So I am hard pressed to understand how he has damaged the Knicks.

+1, however your second point has been pointed out 14 billion times to tkf, and it makes no difference.

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:TKF,

I'm sorry but the argument you are presenting does not appear to be logical.

You made a claim in this thread that Melo has Damaged the Knicks by being here. And backed that claim up by stating that he was responsible for essentially being the Knicks GM by forcing himself here and trading himself to the Knicks for assets. o

Here's the problem with this argument. The Knicks (Dolan/Walsh) were not forced to trade for Melo, they were the ones who agreed to the trade with Denver. If Melo did not want to wait for Free Agency....they could have went in a different direction. You can not assign blame to Melo for a decision that was made by Dolan. If you want to assign blame to Dolan for where the team is with regards to roster, cap space and picks, then you have a point.

Secondly - the Knicks are essentially the same franchise they were prior to Melo arriving. One could even argue that they had better in season results and achieved the playoffs more often with Melo then without him. So I am hard pressed to understand how he has damaged the Knicks.

I explained that.. he was a co conspirator with dolan. If you just see him as some innocent bystander then really I can't help you.

let me ask you this. did carmelo have nanything to do with how he got here? answer that first...

no melo is an innocent victim who was pulled into the evil dolan vortex and now he is being martyred because the franchise he so badly wanted to play for has betrayed him by not properly building around him.

honestly the degree of infantilizing around here of this douche is disturbing

it is very disturbing. No one around here gets that kind of rope.. yet we hear the excuse now. "well I root for whoever is on this team"... I will keep that in mind the next time the felton and tyson chandler bashing starts...

No one will accept that carmelo helped Denver get a better deal than they probably should have, and he allowed the nets to drive the price up on the knicks. I think that was just cowardly and disloyal to a team that you were trying to come to.... yes he is a douche...

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:TKF,

I'm sorry but the argument you are presenting does not appear to be logical.

You made a claim in this thread that Melo has Damaged the Knicks by being here. And backed that claim up by stating that he was responsible for essentially being the Knicks GM by forcing himself here and trading himself to the Knicks for assets. o

Here's the problem with this argument. The Knicks (Dolan/Walsh) were not forced to trade for Melo, they were the ones who agreed to the trade with Denver. If Melo did not want to wait for Free Agency....they could have went in a different direction. You can not assign blame to Melo for a decision that was made by Dolan. If you want to assign blame to Dolan for where the team is with regards to roster, cap space and picks, then you have a point.

Secondly - the Knicks are essentially the same franchise they were prior to Melo arriving. One could even argue that they had better in season results and achieved the playoffs more often with Melo then without him. So I am hard pressed to understand how he has damaged the Knicks.

I explained that.. he was a co conspirator with dolan. If you just see him as some innocent bystander then really I can't help you.

let me ask you this. did carmelo have nanything to do with how he got here? answer that first...

no melo is an innocent victim who was pulled into the evil dolan vortex and now he is being martyred because the franchise he so badly wanted to play for has betrayed him by not properly building around him.

honestly the degree of infantilizing around here of this douche is disturbing

it is very disturbing. No one around here gets that kind of rope.. yet we hear the excuse now. "well I root for whoever is on this team"... I will keep that in mind the next time the felton and tyson chandler bashing starts...

No one will accept that carmelo helped Denver get a better deal than they probably should have, and he allowed the nets to drive the price up on the knicks. I think that was just cowardly and disloyal to a team that you were trying to come to.... yes he is a douche...

So essentially when your argument is weak, you guys resort to name calling.

Melo wanted to come to the Knicks and also wanted to avoid Free Agency. So what. That still does not make him culpable for any of the assets that the Knicks sent in order to obtain him. Dolan coveted Melo and was willing to part with a bunch of players and picks to obtain him. If Dolan did not want Melo on the Knicks, it would not have mattered in any way what Melo did or said during that period of time. You can continue to manufacture subjective opinions of why everyone should despise a player. You can also continue to say ugly things about another person that you don't even know.....that just makes you appear to be ugly inside as well. If t, ithat's how you want to be thought of on this board.....great.

I'm done with this thread. If you want to claim victory in how much damage Melo has done to the Knicks.....go for it.

don't even try that, we called carmlo a douche, which is true and seperate from our argument which is very strong..

You don't get it... carmelo had every bit to do with how this went down..

If Dolan did not want Melo on the Knicks, it would not have mattered in any way what Melo did or said during that period of time.

and that is why I hold dolan responsible too.. but on the flipside, had carmelo done these things, not only does a trade not go down, denver and the nets lose any leverage.

1) sign as a free agent..
2) make the statement that I will not sign with the nets if traded there.
3) make the statement i will not sign with any other team than the knicks if traded..

you see any of these things could have spared the knicks a ton of assets..

instead he went over walsh head and called a meeting with dolan.. why? he wanted to have everything his way and he didn't care what it cost the knicks..

Are you going to deny that he had nothing to do with this process? is that what you are saying? that he was some poor guy who was shipped here by denver because they no longer wanted carmelo and didn't have any other trade partner other than the knicks? He manipulated that ugly trade and dolan facilitated it!!!

If you want to claim victory in how much damage Melo has done to the Knicks.....go for it.

claim victory? really? how dare you try to spin this as to me wanting to claim victory ... I don't need to.. it is evident!!!

Look at our team. league high payroll
Lottery team without a pick at all in this draft
one pick next year and no pick the year after
no real blue chip assets or players
and a malcontent douche again trying to hold a team hostage with his opt out..

Claiming victory? what is there to claim... this picture is painted clearly, I am just trying to help you see it since you seemed so confused..

Hopefully soon things can get better, but we have to be realistic about how this process works and where we truly are!!