dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

RonRon wrote:Paul George is the best SF with the ability and skills of playing G/PF after both

Lebron
Durant

NO ONE comes close after George in terms of their all round games and abilities, especially with Durant and George's age and success in the NBA thus far

Melo could do it too.

Rudy Gay was that guy too until he went to Toronto and stopped playing team ball.

Paul George is overrated. He's still a really good defender, and Good offensive player, but the kid s no killer instinct or feel for the moment. He disappeared when Indiana needed him. He's like James Harden in that way.

I agree he is very overrated. Good player but people were saying he was top 5 in December, which is just crazy. He's not someone you can build around just yet, maybe down the road. This pacers team got exposed this year. No guarantee that they haven't already peaked and will look a lot different before they can compete for a title.

"people" werent saying he was top 5. Only a couple MElo-haters on this site were. He's really good. Great defense and a good passer. He's a good offensive player but if you compare him to other star players his offensive game is a couple tier below the bigtime scorers in the league, its not even close. People see what they want to see. Pacers made it to the conf finals but are clearly below the other 3 teams that did the same. Way below.

But since PG plays same position as Melo the wanking will go on....

Agreed. Analysts(ESPN) also did their share of propping up George and trying to propel him to something he hasn't reached yet.

Im not even sure the Pacers make the playoffs out west, and if they do its a low seed, but the east is terrible and the Pacers have been very stable and consistent, they are good. They are not great. If Paul George is your go to scorer your going to lose. He's not a lead scorer by any stretch. That is one area not up for debate. Maybe he gets better but he's a very low % guy right now and has games that make Melo's shot selection look picky. I guess if you get some assists and play great D (which he does) your allowed to chuck? Funny isnt it? What the Pacers need is a great scorer.

really fish? and why wouldn't they? what are you basing this off fish? sure not numbers.. because the numbers would tell a different story.

the pacers vs the western conference went 18-12 so that is pretty much winning 60% of their games.. so lets switch the 52 games played in the east to west games and guess what... you get close to 32 wins... they win at a 73% clip vs east teams, so take the 30 games vs east and you get close to 22 wins.. so don't you think 54 wins makes the playoffs in the west? well that would be good enough for the 4th seed.... and a home court slot..

go figure...

What the Pacers need is a great scorer.

Durant isn't leaving OKC anytime soon, so maybe the pacers will have to deal with a very young and vastly improving young stud who is an elite defender and more than competent scorer with a good all around game..

I think they will be just fine...

of course you think they will be fine. Any team without the Melo looooser will be fine in your opinion. Knicks would be better off if he walked for nooooothing in your opinion. You have stated it daily in many ways. We get it. How's Gallo's rehab? Any player not on the Knicks is your hero and wonderful. DK is calling... he just got his Paul George poster laminated so now you can get all oiled up and play with it and still wash it when your done for next time. So you have that going for you.

I would actually be happy to talk hoops with you but every thread you post in turns into an anti-Knicks, anti-Melo wank-a-thon so Ill pass.

can you formulate any argumetn without bring up carmelo or Gallo.. I mean here you go again.. this is such a losers mentality you have... so let this go on the record... the next time I want to bring up carmelo in a thread that has nothing to do with him, I don't want to hear you complain.. because I will refrence this thread and any other you have done the same thing..

can you fishmike, have a discussion without referencing gallo? I am calling you out here in front of everyone to see.. Typical fish mike..... when he can't defend his boy.. he will pivot elsewhere....

I would actually be happy to talk hoops with you but every thread you post in turns into an anti-Knicks, anti-Melo wank-a-thon so Ill pass.

no you aren't, you are still but hurt I called you out as a flip flopper, and you continue the trend...

I made a simple comment about agreeing with Phil Jacksons comment.. YOUR BOY PHIL.. as you said and I quote you fishmike "IN PHIL WE TRUST".

But you and the peanut gallery took offense to me agreeing with Phil.. YOUR BOY.. this has nothing to do with hoops. but everything to do with trying to prove that the knicks have been making the right moves.. JUST UNLUCKY!!! rolf.. nah bro.. you cosigned just about every move and you will go to great lengths to protect your views instead of just admitting they were bad moves.... simple and plain, and you continue to do it by now attacking Paul george.. a guy who I know you and every knick fan would cut off your left nut to get... a guy who has more talent than every single player on the Knick, and that goes especially for carmelo, and oh yea, I will throw gallo in there as well....

heck lance stephenson would be the most talented player on the knicks hands down...

I don't get this mentality..... attack good players to make us feel good about the junk we have... I guess that's what actual "haters" do, huh fish?

If you really want to talk sports.. do some research before you post stuff like the pacers not making the playoffs in the west.. Don't attack people because their views don't agree with yours, realize that we probably made a horrible mistake getting carmelo here, and realize every knick fan does not have to like this pile of steaming shyt we currently call the knicks...

do that, and we can talk...

phil jackson has weighed in on the melo trade and there's no two ways about it-- he basically and essentially said it sucked. can't wait to see how the carmelo anthony "negotiations" pan out.

Yep in zen talk, he basically said we got fleeced.. haha

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

RonRon wrote:Paul George is the best SF with the ability and skills of playing G/PF after both

Lebron
Durant

NO ONE comes close after George in terms of their all round games and abilities, especially with Durant and George's age and success in the NBA thus far

Melo could do it too.

Rudy Gay was that guy too until he went to Toronto and stopped playing team ball.

Paul George is overrated. He's still a really good defender, and Good offensive player, but the kid s no killer instinct or feel for the moment. He disappeared when Indiana needed him. He's like James Harden in that way.

I agree he is very overrated. Good player but people were saying he was top 5 in December, which is just crazy. He's not someone you can build around just yet, maybe down the road. This pacers team got exposed this year. No guarantee that they haven't already peaked and will look a lot different before they can compete for a title.

"people" werent saying he was top 5. Only a couple MElo-haters on this site were. He's really good. Great defense and a good passer. He's a good offensive player but if you compare him to other star players his offensive game is a couple tier below the bigtime scorers in the league, its not even close. People see what they want to see. Pacers made it to the conf finals but are clearly below the other 3 teams that did the same. Way below.

But since PG plays same position as Melo the wanking will go on....

Agreed. Analysts(ESPN) also did their share of propping up George and trying to propel him to something he hasn't reached yet.

Im not even sure the Pacers make the playoffs out west, and if they do its a low seed, but the east is terrible and the Pacers have been very stable and consistent, they are good. They are not great. If Paul George is your go to scorer your going to lose. He's not a lead scorer by any stretch. That is one area not up for debate. Maybe he gets better but he's a very low % guy right now and has games that make Melo's shot selection look picky. I guess if you get some assists and play great D (which he does) your allowed to chuck? Funny isnt it? What the Pacers need is a great scorer.

really fish? and why wouldn't they? what are you basing this off fish? sure not numbers.. because the numbers would tell a different story.

the pacers vs the western conference went 18-12 so that is pretty much winning 60% of their games.. so lets switch the 52 games played in the east to west games and guess what... you get close to 32 wins... they win at a 73% clip vs east teams, so take the 30 games vs east and you get close to 22 wins.. so don't you think 54 wins makes the playoffs in the west? well that would be good enough for the 4th seed.... and a home court slot..

go figure...

What the Pacers need is a great scorer.

Durant isn't leaving OKC anytime soon, so maybe the pacers will have to deal with a very young and vastly improving young stud who is an elite defender and more than competent scorer with a good all around game..

I think they will be just fine...

of course you think they will be fine. Any team without the Melo looooser will be fine in your opinion. Knicks would be better off if he walked for nooooothing in your opinion. You have stated it daily in many ways. We get it. How's Gallo's rehab? Any player not on the Knicks is your hero and wonderful. DK is calling... he just got his Paul George poster laminated so now you can get all oiled up and play with it and still wash it when your done for next time. So you have that going for you.

I would actually be happy to talk hoops with you but every thread you post in turns into an anti-Knicks, anti-Melo wank-a-thon so Ill pass.

can you formulate any argumetn without bring up carmelo or Gallo.. I mean here you go again.. this is such a losers mentality you have... so let this go on the record... the next time I want to bring up carmelo in a thread that has nothing to do with him, I don't want to hear you complain.. because I will refrence this thread and any other you have done the same thing..

can you fishmike, have a discussion without referencing gallo? I am calling you out here in front of everyone to see.. Typical fish mike..... when he can't defend his boy.. he will pivot elsewhere....

I would actually be happy to talk hoops with you but every thread you post in turns into an anti-Knicks, anti-Melo wank-a-thon so Ill pass.

no you aren't, you are still but hurt I called you out as a flip flopper, and you continue the trend...

I made a simple comment about agreeing with Phil Jacksons comment.. YOUR BOY PHIL.. as you said and I quote you fishmike "IN PHIL WE TRUST".

But you and the peanut gallery took offense to me agreeing with Phil.. YOUR BOY.. this has nothing to do with hoops. but everything to do with trying to prove that the knicks have been making the right moves.. JUST UNLUCKY!!! rolf.. nah bro.. you cosigned just about every move and you will go to great lengths to protect your views instead of just admitting they were bad moves.... simple and plain, and you continue to do it by now attacking Paul george.. a guy who I know you and every knick fan would cut off your left nut to get... a guy who has more talent than every single player on the Knick, and that goes especially for carmelo, and oh yea, I will throw gallo in there as well....

heck lance stephenson would be the most talented player on the knicks hands down...

I don't get this mentality..... attack good players to make us feel good about the junk we have... I guess that's what actual "haters" do, huh fish?

If you really want to talk sports.. do some research before you post stuff like the pacers not making the playoffs in the west.. Don't attack people because their views don't agree with yours, realize that we probably made a horrible mistake getting carmelo here, and realize every knick fan does not have to like this pile of steaming shyt we currently call the knicks...

do that, and we can talk...

phil jackson has weighed in on the melo trade and there's no two ways about it-- he basically and essentially said it sucked. can't wait to see how the carmelo anthony "negotiations" pan out.

Yep in zen talk, he basically said we got fleeced.. haha

tkf wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

tkf wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:PG is a very good basketball player..But I think folks get caught up in the flashy dunks and his affinity to hit 4 out of 5 three pointers when he is on..Unfortunately he is more off than on...There are lots to basketball to be played between the three pt shot and the dunks...DWade is the picture of that...He is young though and he has time to polish his game...I think media and fans gets ahead of themselves and anoint players as the next one off a playoff series...True stars show up year after year and they challenge you to stop what has made them stars on a nightly basis...

or maybe we get caught up in the fact that he is one of the best two way players in the league and that he plays an all around game.. and that he is one of the best defenders in the league... could it be that?

Well when the game is on the line can you need some one to carry you in stretches, maybe he can draw on his "all around game abilities/best defenders status" to take them over the top...

Agreed. I believe George is close to Kawhi Leonard at thid point in their careers. Leonard and George are two young wings who play good D, but are probably better suited as second or third offensive options on a championship team. I wish both were Knicks.

I like leonard a lot, but you have to be kidding me.. really?

Leonard is really good. Check out his shooting percentages. Part of that is due to the fact that he's the fourth or fifth option, but he's really efficient. Pops tendency to limit minutes also hurts Leonard's overall numbers and he's not as flashy as George. Plus, the Spurs run an actual offense, while George can just jack up contested jumpers to his heart's content. I think PG is better, but it's close.

well george takes roughly 17 shots per game, that is a career high, up from his 14per game last year.. would you really call that jacking up shots to his hearts content? and do you have a stat that shows how many contested jumpers George is taking to back that statement up?

gunsnewing wrote:Any other team would've traded Gallo, Wilson and a pick and it would've been enough. We were forced to include Mozgov and multiple draft picks because we are the Knicks and trading with Dolan elevates your status as GM. Ujiri is a basketball God now thanks to us

Just look at the CP3 trade, Dwight trade and Harden trade. Definitely not true.

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Any other team would've traded Gallo, Wilson and a pick and it would've been enough. We were forced to include Mozgov and multiple draft picks because we are the Knicks and trading with Dolan elevates your status as GM. Ujiri is a basketball God now thanks to us

Just look at the CP3 trade, Dwight trade, and Harden trade. Definitely not true.

I would argue all of those guys are not only younger but better than carmelo..so, maybe justified...

Melo was 26 at the time of the trade. Same age range with everyone except Harden, who was far less proven. Toss in the DWill trade too. We traded what the market value for a player of Melo's caliber was. And most of those players we traded all became injury-prone did not improve.

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Any other team would've traded Gallo, Wilson and a pick and it would've been enough. We were forced to include Mozgov and multiple draft picks because we are the Knicks and trading with Dolan elevates your status as GM. Ujiri is a basketball God now thanks to us

Just look at the CP3 trade, Dwight trade, and Harden trade. Definitely not true.

I would argue all of those guys are not only younger but better than carmelo..so, maybe justified...

Melo was 26 at the time of the trade. Same age range with everyone except Harden, who was far less proven. Toss in the DWill trade too. We traded what the market value for a player of Melo's caliber was. And most of those players we traded all became injury-prone did not improve.

wait moz didn't improve? gallo didn't improve. I think that team won a franchise record 57 wins.. sorry, I don't buy that... also have to count in the 2 first round picks, two second round picks, eddy curry's expiring and we gave up a lot more.. sorry using the did not improve argument doesn't work? did carmelo improve? better yet, did the knicks improve? looking at our situation now, I would say a big HELL NO... Here is what we do know, those guys best years are still ahead of them. same can't be said of carmelo and on top of that, they are under contract... while we have a guy trying to hold the knicks hostage after leading them to the lottery...

And it also goes back to this... Paul, Harden and Dwight are better players...

We did improve. Then took a step back. Now we have cap space coming up. A natural cycle. We didn't reach our goals, but still improved over the short term. Denver is stuck right now with a lot of long-term contracts for players who can't stay healthy. Many ways to look at this. I see it much different from you.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Any other team would've traded Gallo, Wilson and a pick and it would've been enough. We were forced to include Mozgov and multiple draft picks because we are the Knicks and trading with Dolan elevates your status as GM. Ujiri is a basketball God now thanks to us

Just look at the CP3 trade, Dwight trade, and Harden trade. Definitely not true.

I would argue all of those guys are not only younger but better than carmelo..so, maybe justified...

Melo was 26 at the time of the trade. Same age range with everyone except Harden, who was far less proven. Toss in the DWill trade too. We traded what the market value for a player of Melo's caliber was. And most of those players we traded all became injury-prone did not improve.

wait moz didn't improve? gallo didn't improve. I think that team won a franchise record 57 wins.. sorry, I don't buy that... also have to count in the 2 first round picks, two second round picks, eddy curry's expiring and we gave up a lot more.. sorry using the did not improve argument doesn't work? did carmelo improve? better yet, did the knicks improve? looking at our situation now, I would say a big HELL NO... Here is what we do know, those guys best years are still ahead of them. same can't be said of carmelo and on top of that, they are under contract... while we have a guy trying to hold the knicks hostage after leading them to the lottery...

And it also goes back to this... Paul, Harden and Dwight are better players...

We did improve. Then took a step back. Now we have cap space coming up. A natural cycle. We didn't reach our goals, but still improved over the short term. Denver is stuck right now with a lot of long-term contracts for players who can't stay healthy. Many ways to look at this. I see it much different from you.

what we did was not a natural cycle.. far from natural.. what happened to us is a result of bad move after bad move...

Denver is stuck right now with a lot of long-term contracts for players who can't stay healthy

nah, I would not call it stuck, they actually want gallo, and chandler, and lawson, as would a lot of teams with what they get paid.. plus they have a lottery pick this year to add to the fold.. and all of their deals expire in 15/16, how is that being stuck.. heck knick fans were whacking off trying to trade shumpert for guys like faried.. come onman.. there aren't many ways to look at it.. there is one way.. the right way.. Denver is in much better shape than we are... if they wanted to, they could package a number of their contracts and picks if they want.. can we do the same.. the difference is, the guys on their teams with multi year deals are young with their best ball ahead of them. while we are paying Bargnani.. go figure..

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Any other team would've traded Gallo, Wilson and a pick and it would've been enough. We were forced to include Mozgov and multiple draft picks because we are the Knicks and trading with Dolan elevates your status as GM. Ujiri is a basketball God now thanks to us

Just look at the CP3 trade, Dwight trade, and Harden trade. Definitely not true.

I would argue all of those guys are not only younger but better than carmelo..so, maybe justified...

Melo was 26 at the time of the trade. Same age range with everyone except Harden, who was far less proven. Toss in the DWill trade too. We traded what the market value for a player of Melo's caliber was. And most of those players we traded all became injury-prone did not improve.

"market value" do you understand that dolan came in and closed the deal, that dolan does not care about market value, and that dolan finally admitted he does not know what he is doing?

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Any other team would've traded Gallo, Wilson and a pick and it would've been enough. We were forced to include Mozgov and multiple draft picks because we are the Knicks and trading with Dolan elevates your status as GM. Ujiri is a basketball God now thanks to us

Just look at the CP3 trade, Dwight trade, and Harden trade. Definitely not true.

I would argue all of those guys are not only younger but better than carmelo..so, maybe justified...

Melo was 26 at the time of the trade. Same age range with everyone except Harden, who was far less proven. Toss in the DWill trade too. We traded what the market value for a player of Melo's caliber was. And most of those players we traded all became injury-prone did not improve.

wait moz didn't improve? gallo didn't improve. I think that team won a franchise record 57 wins.. sorry, I don't buy that... also have to count in the 2 first round picks, two second round picks, eddy curry's expiring and we gave up a lot more.. sorry using the did not improve argument doesn't work? did carmelo improve? better yet, did the knicks improve? looking at our situation now, I would say a big HELL NO... Here is what we do know, those guys best years are still ahead of them. same can't be said of carmelo and on top of that, they are under contract... while we have a guy trying to hold the knicks hostage after leading them to the lottery...

And it also goes back to this... Paul, Harden and Dwight are better players...

We did improve. Then took a step back. Now we have cap space coming up. A natural cycle. We didn't reach our goals, but still improved over the short term. Denver is stuck right now with a lot of long-term contracts for players who can't stay healthy. Many ways to look at this. I see it much different from you.

trading for this idiot yanked us into win-now mode, and the smoldering ashes that this idiot came to was what he had to work with. natural cycles occur when you have a plan and you stick with a plan, upgrading by positions of need and not simply acquiring talent for its own sake, especially iverrated and redundant talent.

Same old tag team non-sense here. No point in arguing.