holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?

what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?

You are acting like the Denver trade killed us and not MDA's need for Amare at all cost...Amare gave us half a season on a 100 mil deal.."Trade or no trade", Amare's contract and health destroyed us...

what I act like has nothing to do with what is being discussed!!! focus on the issues!!! what did your saviour phil touch on? that is what I am addressing.. THATS ALL!!

And if you think this mess we are in had to do with MDA and amare, it just prove me correct.. before the dreadful trade MDA and amare were above .500... not sure how that killed the knicks.. just stop it... we didn't trade picks, we didn't trade young players to get them.. this is what Phil is touching on.. I know it hurts but suck it up..

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?

what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?

You are acting like the Denver trade killed us and not MDA's need for Amare at all cost...Amare gave us half a season on a 100 mil deal.."Trade or no trade", Amare's contract and health destroyed us...

what I act like has nothing to do with what is being discussed!!! focus on the issues!!! what did your saviour phil touch on? that is what I am addressing.. THATS ALL!!

And if you think this mess we are in had to do with MDA and amare, it just prove me correct.. before the dreadful trade MDA and amare were above .500... not sure how that killed the knicks.. just stop it... we didn't trade picks, we didn't trade young players to get them.. this is what Phil is touching on.. I know it hurts but suck it up..

You put your "spin" on an issue and cry foul when your spin is addressed...ok...

Amare is irrelevant to Phil though Carmelo is in play so he will be discussing a lot of Melo.

meloshouldgo wrote:Did D'antoni demand that the Knicks get Amare? I want aware of it. He may have endorsed it bit I doubt he had anything to do with the decision. Coaches don't hire players GMs do. This board seems oddly split between those who worship Melo and those who don't.

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to me

Also Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas

Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:

- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.

Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade

those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...

So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??

was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?

what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?

You are acting like the Denver trade killed us and not MDA's need for Amare at all cost...Amare gave us half a season on a 100 mil deal.."Trade or no trade", Amare's contract and health destroyed us...

what I act like has nothing to do with what is being discussed!!! focus on the issues!!! what did your saviour phil touch on? that is what I am addressing.. THATS ALL!!

And if you think this mess we are in had to do with MDA and amare, it just prove me correct.. before the dreadful trade MDA and amare were above .500... not sure how that killed the knicks.. just stop it... we didn't trade picks, we didn't trade young players to get them.. this is what Phil is touching on.. I know it hurts but suck it up..

You put your "spin" on an issue and cry foul when your spin is addressed...ok...

tell me holfresh what spin did I put on it.. I said I agree with your savior.. PHil.. now do you have a problem with that Phil said?

Where did Phil say the trade killed the franchise?? That's your spin...Phil is my savior??...Ha..I have been called a Phil hater by many already because I dare to ask questions, like too much to ask to interview an experienced coach??...You aren't supposed to question the "Grand Poobah" or "Big Chief Triangle"...I'll make that trade tomorrow again...

mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.

Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.

Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.

What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?

I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.

Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.

Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.

What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?

I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).

Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.

How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).

Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.

Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.

Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.

Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.

Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.

What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?

I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).

Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.

How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).

Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.

Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.

Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow

Well if you can't insure a guys contract because of past surgeries and the team that he wants to play for won't sign him to a long term deal because their medical staff says there is a time limit on his knees I guess you ignore that and sign him anyway? Making knucklehead mistakes like throwing down so hard in warm ups that you hurt your back or punching out a fire extinguisher were just extras. Three knee surgeries in 12 months when you are owed 66 mil over three years is a mistake in my opinion. Especially if everyone else was aware that there was a pretty good chance that that was how things would eventually work out.

But he only miss 4 total months because of knee issues. Even is he was insured, he didn't miss enough time for the franchise to take out a claim on him..

If you have a $500 deductible and the damage to your car is $300 would you put in a claim. Tyson chandler miss close to the same amount of games amare miss, K love has miss twice the amount of games amare miss, and what about rose and rondo.

Even if Amare was making 5 mill less per, were still over the cap..

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.

Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.

Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.

What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?

I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).

Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.

How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).

Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.

Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.

Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow

Well if you can't insure a guys contract because of past surgeries and the team that he wants to play for won't sign him to a long term deal because their medical staff says there is a time limit on his knees I guess you ignore that and sign him anyway? Making knucklehead mistakes like throwing down so hard in warm ups that you hurt your back or punching out a fire extinguisher were just extras. Three knee surgeries in 12 months when you are owed 66 mil over three years is a mistake in my opinion. Especially if everyone else was aware that there was a pretty good chance that that was how things would eventually work out.

But he only miss 4 total months because of knee issues. Even is he was insured, he didn't miss enough time for the franchise to take out a claim on him..

If you have a $500 deductible and the damage to your car is $300 would you put in a claim. Tyson chandler miss close to the same amount of games amare miss, K love has miss twice the amount of games amare miss, and what about rose and rondo.

Even if Amare was making 5 mill less per, were still over the cap..