mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:Wow TKF and Fishmike!

You guys really deserve each other.

Can't believe the mods actually let this stoop to this childish level.

are you kidding me? he is doing pretty much the same thing you did...personal non basketball attacks.. most of the time I ignore them, like I did with yours, but at some point I can't let it pass.. especially when it is someone like fish mike who post some of the most inaccurate stuff I have ever read....

I will always approach fish mike on a basketball level. go back and look at how many times he mentions my name, with personal attacks in threads or post I haven't even commented on..

I don't think you are in position to judge me this way...

Well ... got on my nerves too at the beginning but I have tried to be more tolerant.

Do you really have to "check" every Melo comment? And, get so mad about it? You pretty much do this in every thread and its not just you, its both extremist parties.

Would be nice to just talk basketball sometimes that does not degrade into a childish Melo session.

as you said, I will check it if it is untrue.. if you like melo, that is your right.. but when you start making comments like " best pure scorer" and " top 10 talent" I am going to check that, because the more you let that slide without having any kind of proof, it will continue to be used to defend arguments..

If people want to have a melo love fest then fine, who am I to crap on that parade, but when they address my post or point with quotes like that, then I have to speak up...

Would be nice to just talk basketball sometimes that does not degrade into a childish Melo session.

would be great to just talk basketball.. but look at the post around here, talking about the knicks without carmelo in their future is like heresy around here...

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:Wow TKF and Fishmike!

You guys really deserve each other.

Can't believe the mods actually let this stoop to this childish level.

are you kidding me? he is doing pretty much the same thing you did...personal non basketball attacks.. most of the time I ignore them, like I did with yours, but at some point I can't let it pass.. especially when it is someone like fish mike who post some of the most inaccurate stuff I have ever read....

I will always approach fish mike on a basketball level. go back and look at how many times he mentions my name, with personal attacks in threads or post I haven't even commented on..

I don't think you are in position to judge me this way...

Well ... got on my nerves too at the beginning but I have tried to be more tolerant.

Do you really have to "check" every Melo comment? And, get so mad about it? You pretty much do this in every thread and its not just you, its both extremist parties.

Would be nice to just talk basketball sometimes that does not degrade into a childish Melo session.

as you said, I will check it if it is untrue.. if you like melo, that is your right.. but when you start making comments like " best pure scorer" and " top 10 talent" I am going to check that, because the more you let that slide without having any kind of proof, it will continue to be used to defend arguments..

If people want to have a melo love fest then fine, who am I to crap on that parade, but when they address my post or point with quotes like that, then I have to speak up...

Would be nice to just talk basketball sometimes that does not degrade into a childish Melo session.

would be great to just talk basketball.. but look at the post around here, talking about the knicks without carmelo in their future is like heresy around here...

And your right... Phil Jackson just took Melo out for dinner to talk about his coaching choice, so yea... pretty sure Melo is going to be around. Keep it up TFK... your doing a great job reaching the hearts and minds of the UK posters

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:Wow TKF and Fishmike!

You guys really deserve each other.

Can't believe the mods actually let this stoop to this childish level.

are you kidding me? he is doing pretty much the same thing you did...personal non basketball attacks.. most of the time I ignore them, like I did with yours, but at some point I can't let it pass.. especially when it is someone like fish mike who post some of the most inaccurate stuff I have ever read....

I will always approach fish mike on a basketball level. go back and look at how many times he mentions my name, with personal attacks in threads or post I haven't even commented on..

I don't think you are in position to judge me this way...

Well ... got on my nerves too at the beginning but I have tried to be more tolerant.

Do you really have to "check" every Melo comment? And, get so mad about it? You pretty much do this in every thread and its not just you, its both extremist parties.

Would be nice to just talk basketball sometimes that does not degrade into a childish Melo session.

as you said, I will check it if it is untrue.. if you like melo, that is your right.. but when you start making comments like " best pure scorer" and " top 10 talent" I am going to check that, because the more you let that slide without having any kind of proof, it will continue to be used to defend arguments..

If people want to have a melo love fest then fine, who am I to crap on that parade, but when they address my post or point with quotes like that, then I have to speak up...

Would be nice to just talk basketball sometimes that does not degrade into a childish Melo session.

would be great to just talk basketball.. but look at the post around here, talking about the knicks without carmelo in their future is like heresy around here...

He's the best player the knicks have had in a long long time, it's the best stretch we have had in a long long time, it's the most recognition we have gotten in a long long time, countless teams would love to have melo.

I think soon as you stop acting like melo is an avg player you will come to grips with reality.

I'm not saying break the bank to keep him, but dont act like he's not an elite scorer or like these type of players are a dime a dozen

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:Wow TKF and Fishmike!

You guys really deserve each other.

Can't believe the mods actually let this stoop to this childish level.

are you kidding me? he is doing pretty much the same thing you did...personal non basketball attacks.. most of the time I ignore them, like I did with yours, but at some point I can't let it pass.. especially when it is someone like fish mike who post some of the most inaccurate stuff I have ever read....

I will always approach fish mike on a basketball level. go back and look at how many times he mentions my name, with personal attacks in threads or post I haven't even commented on..

I don't think you are in position to judge me this way...

Well ... got on my nerves too at the beginning but I have tried to be more tolerant.

Do you really have to "check" every Melo comment? And, get so mad about it? You pretty much do this in every thread and its not just you, its both extremist parties.

Would be nice to just talk basketball sometimes that does not degrade into a childish Melo session.

as you said, I will check it if it is untrue.. if you like melo, that is your right.. but when you start making comments like " best pure scorer" and " top 10 talent" I am going to check that, because the more you let that slide without having any kind of proof, it will continue to be used to defend arguments..

If people want to have a melo love fest then fine, who am I to crap on that parade, but when they address my post or point with quotes like that, then I have to speak up...

Would be nice to just talk basketball sometimes that does not degrade into a childish Melo session.

would be great to just talk basketball.. but look at the post around here, talking about the knicks without carmelo in their future is like heresy around here...

He's the best player the knicks have had in a long long time, it's the best stretch we have had in a long long time, it's the most recognition we have gotten in a long long time, countless teams would love to have melo.

I think soon as you stop acting like melo is an avg player you will come to grips with reality.

I'm not saying break the bank to keep him, but dont act like he's not an elite scorer or like these type of players are a dime a dozen

let me ask you this... best player the knicks have had in a long, long time? who cares, even if that were true, which I don't agree with... but that depends on what you consider a long, long time..

The most recognition we have gotten in a long long time? for what? what are we recognized for?

I think the best stretch we had in a long time was linsanity... would you call this year great? other than last year which was good in the regular season, what other great stretches have we had with carmelo? honestly?

I think soon as you stop acting like melo is an avg player you will come to grips with reality.

I think when you stop acting like he is a great player you will come to grips with reality.. reality is we are a lottery team with no lottery pick...

but dont act like he's not an elite scorer or like these type of players are a dime a dozen

no, he is a volume shooter... there are a lot of guys in this league who can score... I don't want to pay top dollar for a volume shooter, I want to play top dollar for an elite player...

let me ask you this...even if I agreed he was an elite scorer.. what has that done for the knicks?

I can easily point to Noah from the bulls as an elite defender and show you how much he impacts his team.. and he did so losing rose, who is better than every single player on the knicks..

in the end, this is a results oriented business... every defense you guys use for carmelo I can use for every player in the league..

"get him a superstar and he would win"

" get him help and the knicks would be better"

" he can get better and change"

all of these things apply to every single player in the game.. why should we pay carmelo 20+ mil or anything close for that?

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:From Kobe... a guy I believe TFK described as light years better than Melo and a true winner and champ
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/13/kobe-says-carmelo-is-hardest-player-for-him-to-guard/

We could do this all day... which is exactly what TFK wants. He loves google and has his own set of critea for Melo that doesnt apply to anyone else.

My all time TFK fav is still the Cano comments. Melo is nothing like Cano who is a winner and a champ. When I said he batted like .190 when the Yanks won the one title with Cano TFK said he's a gold glover and plays defense so he still helps the team. Ironicly a day later Mariano Rivera said the guy loafs. So we can add Kobe, Mariano and Phil to the list of guys TFK is smarter than.

is that not true? why not point out that he was an elite defensive player at second base? you see again you fail.. the facts remain.. cano is a winner and a champion, is that not true?

Ironicly a day later Mariano Rivera said the guy loafs. So we can add Kobe, Mariano and Phil to the list of guys TFK is smarter than.

what is ironic about it. .rivera never said he didn't help the team win.. fish you are terrible at trying to form an argument, because your emotions have gotten the best of you.. even with that said, I agreed, I didn't want to keep cano at 240 mil.. he does take plays off..

but the fact remains, he is a champion!!!!! carmelo isn't.. doesn't that seperate the two?

the facts is something you can't escape fish..

fish kobe making that comment means what? how does that help the knicks? I mean can anyone not see the flaws in your argument fish.. kobe saying that did not turn the knicks into a playoff team this year.. if kobe thinks that of carmelo then fine.. how does that translate into wins for the knicks fish.. can you please form an argument with facts that are relevant to the knicks being better? please? can you?

If you want to put so much weight on the kobe comment then I don't want to hear you say "carmelo didn't have help", " he hasn't played with a superstar" because obviously he doesn't need to.. kobe said he was the hardest person for him to guard, therefore fish, that should solve all of our problems!!

whats true? Cano literally did nothing to earn that title. That chip was delivered by ARod. Cano was a passenger on that ship. Yet you tout that as a great accomplishment, something Melo hasnt accomplished. I guess in your mind Robert Horry is 6x better than Ewing?

Kobe making that comment means what? I means one of the best defenders in the NBA says Melo is the toughest guy for him to guard. Remember the "best pure scorer" comments you desperatly need to dispell?

I get it TFK...

Melo's a hall of fame player but he sucks and has always sucked. When you get tired of trying to twist logic or reason there is always fat loooser to fall back on.

Is the Gallo poster still on the wall or did you take it down?

Melo's a hall of fame player but he sucks and has always sucked.

that is your argument fish.. I don't know what he is, his career is not over yet.. but again that is irrelevant.. it doesn't matter if he sucks or not.. he is not the player the knicks need to win... and certainly not for anything close to 20 mil.. pretty simple. i like cano, but at 240 mil I didnt' any more.. it is just that simple fish... just that simple... but one thing for cano he is a more complete player.. does he not push it hard every time.. sure, but still a complete player.. yet I had no problem parting with him.. and he won a ring with the yankees.. carmelo has won squat. .why are you so vested in carmelo?

Cano literally did nothing to earn that title.

fish is cano a champion or not? you are pointing to one side of the game.. what about his defense? defense does win championships right?

had carmelo been a much better defensive player, maybe that would have made up for his playoff shooting stinkers because lord knows he has been stink

MJ had some pedestrian shooting playoff numbers, but you would never know.. and why? he made big shots and defended like there was no tomorrow... but this is why he is a winner.. winning players make winning plays.. winning players can bat .190 and go out and snatch up everything that comes their way in the field.. winning players can shoot 38% yet hit every big shot and make the big defensive plays..

I think this completely escapes you when it comes to defending carmelo... either you can't see it or refuse to.. I think since you fish flopped you are going extra hard to defend your position, no matter how much closer it pushes you to the brink of complete lunacy and ridiculousness... save yourself fish mike.. save yourself now!!!

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:and TFK.. I dont "defend" Melo. I simply acknowledge his status, talent, accomplishments and value to the Knicks which has shown itself in the win column. I have never ever said Melo is the only guy. Never. Ive started threads on his flaws. Im fine with him leaving if the Knicks get similar value back. Your the psycho who cant deal with any positive comments on Melo or his game. It seems to hit you right on your Gallo-nerve and sends you into a tail spin... and as I enjoy mentioning it takes place on other forums, or did take place until you were kicked out.

I think you are over acknowledging his status and overestating his talent because you backed yourself in a corner..

The carmelo era with the knicks has been a failure. we are officially worse off now than when he came here.. is this what you envisioned? You can try to absolve him of this mess, but he played a bit part, had it not been for jeremy lin, carmelo would have had two seasons with the knicks of not making the playoffs... even the first year he got here the team was 28-26 and with him finished just 14-14.

I am sorry fish. Some of us are not impressed with guys who don't defend, pass and need to take 22 shots to get 26-28 ppg.. I don't see the value in that..

Im fine with him leaving if the Knicks get similar value back.

and that is the problem.. we dont' need similar value, we need greater value.. and since that isn't happening, I rather let him walk and build a team of players that will play the level of winning basketball that we are asking of as fans...

It seems to hit you right on your Gallo-nerve and sends you into a tail spin... and as I enjoy mentioning it takes place on other forums, or did take place until you were kicked out.

it is funny and sad and I know others around here see it.. but you seem to mention gallo more than I do.. I don't even talk about him here.. I do that on the denver forum.. you seem more hung up on gallo than anyone..

you can have all of the positve comments on carmelo you want.. as long as they are true...and that is the problem...you guys go overboard... the same would apply if the comments were made about chandler, amare or anyone else on the knicks...

I think it is clear you are not getting the desired reaction you want out of me.. so why keep mentioning gallo.. it only makes you look silly.. not me fish.. I mean the gallo comments, the realgm comments.. I could care less. I actually find it funny and a sign of weakness because when you know you have no point, you run right to that... it is truly a sign of weakness and honestly I smile inside when you do it.....

The Gallo/RealGM stuff is spot on, and its fun to mention. Gallo was your favorite player. He was your avatar on RealGM where you were once a moderator and contributor. You got soooooo emotional about losing Gallo and you hate Melo soooooo much that you couldnt stop yourself from spamming every thread with Melo hate until you got kicked off. Perpective... you hate a guy enough to get exiled from a realGM board on the freakin internet. Thats about as epic loooooser as it gets. What gets even better is you cling to your hate like some badge of honor, and call me a flip flopper for not doing the same.

But yea... keep jumping on every thread because you "cant tolerate" false overboard any praise of Melo or his game or his career. I dont smile on the inside when I type about you getting kicked off RealGM for anti-Melo hate, I smile on the outside. Its funny dude. The only thing I wonder is what drives you. I mean even DK takes a break every now and then. Your hate is at a religious level. The mere mention of MElo and you just cant help yourself. Yikes. Maybe take a break from hoops and follow golf? You seem to really struggle with team sports. Just friendly suggestion

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:and TFK.. I dont "defend" Melo. I simply acknowledge his status, talent, accomplishments and value to the Knicks which has shown itself in the win column. I have never ever said Melo is the only guy. Never. Ive started threads on his flaws. Im fine with him leaving if the Knicks get similar value back. Your the psycho who cant deal with any positive comments on Melo or his game. It seems to hit you right on your Gallo-nerve and sends you into a tail spin... and as I enjoy mentioning it takes place on other forums, or did take place until you were kicked out.

I think you are over acknowledging his status and overestating his talent because you backed yourself in a corner..

The carmelo era with the knicks has been a failure. we are officially worse off now than when he came here.. is this what you envisioned? You can try to absolve him of this mess, but he played a bit part, had it not been for jeremy lin, carmelo would have had two seasons with the knicks of not making the playoffs... even the first year he got here the team was 28-26 and with him finished just 14-14.

I am sorry fish. Some of us are not impressed with guys who don't defend, pass and need to take 22 shots to get 26-28 ppg.. I don't see the value in that..

Im fine with him leaving if the Knicks get similar value back.

and that is the problem.. we dont' need similar value, we need greater value.. and since that isn't happening, I rather let him walk and build a team of players that will play the level of winning basketball that we are asking of as fans...

It seems to hit you right on your Gallo-nerve and sends you into a tail spin... and as I enjoy mentioning it takes place on other forums, or did take place until you were kicked out.

it is funny and sad and I know others around here see it.. but you seem to mention gallo more than I do.. I don't even talk about him here.. I do that on the denver forum.. you seem more hung up on gallo than anyone..

you can have all of the positve comments on carmelo you want.. as long as they are true...and that is the problem...you guys go overboard... the same would apply if the comments were made about chandler, amare or anyone else on the knicks...

I think it is clear you are not getting the desired reaction you want out of me.. so why keep mentioning gallo.. it only makes you look silly.. not me fish.. I mean the gallo comments, the realgm comments.. I could care less. I actually find it funny and a sign of weakness because when you know you have no point, you run right to that... it is truly a sign of weakness and honestly I smile inside when you do it.....

good! You will need the smiles watching Phil Jackson captain a Melo headed team for the next couple of years. But you said it all in your reply to me.

The Gallo/RealGM stuff is spot on, and its fun to mention. Gallo was your favorite player. He was your avatar on RealGM where you were once a moderator and contributor. You got soooooo emotional about losing Gallo and you hate Melo soooooo much that you couldnt stop yourself from spamming every thread with Melo hate until you got kicked off. Perpective... you hate a guy enough to get exiled from a realGM board on the freakin internet. Thats about as epic loooooser as it gets. What gets even better is you cling to your hate like some badge of honor, and call me a flip flopper for not doing the same.

But yea... keep jumping on every thread because you "cant tolerate" false overboard any praise of Melo or his game or his career. I dont smile on the inside when I type about you getting kicked off RealGM for anti-Melo hate, I smile on the outside. Its funny dude. The only thing I wonder is what drives you. I mean even DK takes a break every now and then. Your hate is at a religious level. The mere mention of MElo and you just cant help yourself. Yikes. Maybe take a break from hoops and follow golf? You seem to really struggle with team sports. Just friendly suggestion

as I said, you are more fascinated with gallo than me....

The mere mention of MElo and you just cant help yourself. Yikes. Maybe take a break from hoops and follow golf? You seem to really struggle with team sports. Just friendly suggestion

why does it matter if people pick on carmelo.. people here pick on chandler, felton, etc.. yet you have dug in when it comes to defending carmelo... I guess that is the price you pay for fish flopping and having to defend your actions.. I know it sucks.. it has to...