Vmart wrote:Cleveland is where he will end up.

with Lebron?

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:Cleveland is where he will end up.

with Lebron?

LeBron can't stand the cold.

knicks1248 wrote:To say that a coach should adapt to his roster and maximize there talents, is about as dumb as it gets. Thats like saying Phil should keep this talented roster in place and somehow teach them the triangle even though certain players just don't fit.

That goes for MDA, you give him a banged up howard and NASH a dis gruntal Gasol, and essential had Duhon again, and you think he suppose to get that bunch to play well beyond there talents.

It seems ridiculous to say that a coach should get his players to play above and beyond, then in the next breath say he doesnt have the players to play his style.

If every one on MDA's suns roster was able to knock down a 3 and thats what made him successful, should he force howard and gasol to shoot 3's or even intergrate them in his system with no training camp.

I'll give DOC RIVERS his props when he guides a team (without an elite PG )to the finals.

A coach can only be considered a bad coach if his roster is really good and there losing like crazy. You can't give a coach a bad roster with no chemistry (only played a few months with each other), no talent, and when he loses label him a bad coach because he didn't over achieve

It's not dumb, it's called coaching. It's what Tom Thibadeau did in Chicago and it's what Woody did after Stache left. It's what Stu Jackson did when he upset the Celtics by by dumping a halfcourt styke and allowing his roster to run. Phil adopted the triangle for a slew a different rosters featuring players of varying degrees of talent and skillsets. He made adjustments to maximize those rosters. No one is labeling him a bad coach. But I am labeling him an inflexible one.

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:To say that a coach should adapt to his roster and maximize there talents, is about as dumb as it gets. Thats like saying Phil should keep this talented roster in place and somehow teach them the triangle even though certain players just don't fit.

That goes for MDA, you give him a banged up howard and NASH a dis gruntal Gasol, and essential had Duhon again, and you think he suppose to get that bunch to play well beyond there talents.

It seems ridiculous to say that a coach should get his players to play above and beyond, then in the next breath say he doesnt have the players to play his style.

If every one on MDA's suns roster was able to knock down a 3 and thats what made him successful, should he force howard and gasol to shoot 3's or even intergrate them in his system with no training camp.

I'll give DOC RIVERS his props when he guides a team (without an elite PG )to the finals.

A coach can only be considered a bad coach if his roster is really good and there losing like crazy. You can't give a coach a bad roster with no chemistry (only played a few months with each other), no talent, and when he loses label him a bad coach because he didn't over achieve

It's not dumb, it's called coaching. It's what Tom Thibadeau did in Chicago and it's what Woody did after Stache left. It's what Stu Jackson did when he upset the Celtics by by dumping a halfcourt styke and allowing his roster to run. Phil adopted the triangle for a slew a different rosters featuring players of varying degrees of talent and skillsets. He made adjustments to maximize those rosters. No one is labeling him a bad coach. But I am labeling him an inflexible one.

I agree. Look at Riley, he went from Showtime in LA to a tough, physical style in NY and he came within one game of winning it all. Not adapting to the roster you have is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

He did not have much to adapt with here. Adapt to Tony Douglass? Jared Jeffries? Go ISO?

He was a stubborn mule don't get me wrong. He allowed Tony phuckin Douglass to lead the knicks in 3's shooting a whopping 25%. "Keep shooting Tony"

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:To say that a coach should adapt to his roster and maximize there talents, is about as dumb as it gets. Thats like saying Phil should keep this talented roster in place and somehow teach them the triangle even though certain players just don't fit.

That goes for MDA, you give him a banged up howard and NASH a dis gruntal Gasol, and essential had Duhon again, and you think he suppose to get that bunch to play well beyond there talents.

It seems ridiculous to say that a coach should get his players to play above and beyond, then in the next breath say he doesnt have the players to play his style.

If every one on MDA's suns roster was able to knock down a 3 and thats what made him successful, should he force howard and gasol to shoot 3's or even intergrate them in his system with no training camp.

I'll give DOC RIVERS his props when he guides a team (without an elite PG )to the finals.

A coach can only be considered a bad coach if his roster is really good and there losing like crazy. You can't give a coach a bad roster with no chemistry (only played a few months with each other), no talent, and when he loses label him a bad coach because he didn't over achieve

It's not dumb, it's called coaching. It's what Tom Thibadeau did in Chicago and it's what Woody did after Stache left. It's what Stu Jackson did when he upset the Celtics by by dumping a halfcourt styke and allowing his roster to run. Phil adopted the triangle for a slew a different rosters featuring players of varying degrees of talent and skillsets. He made adjustments to maximize those rosters. No one is labeling him a bad coach. But I am labeling him an inflexible one.

I agree. Look at Riley, he went from Showtime in LA to a tough, physical style in NY and he came within one game of winning it all. Not adapting to the roster you have is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

He did not have much to adapt with here. Adapt to Tony Douglass? Jared Jeffries? Go ISO?

He was a stubborn mule don't get me wrong. He allowed Tony phuckin Douglass to lead the knicks in 3's shooting a whopping 25%. "Keep shooting Tony"

When you have one of the top two scorers in the league and you stick him in the corner, behind the arc and tell him to stay there like just another role player, you are asking for trouble, and not making the most of the talents of your best player.

Not sure if we had the right PG to do that but Coach K did it with him in the olympics and he shined.

That is actually the best place for Melo to shine. He should not be initiating the offense on top of the key or over forcing post position.

He is a phenomenal shooter and if he played spread as per what MDA wanted and what Coach K did, he would be/was unstoppable.

If he played in Houston, that is how they would utilize him, and it would be very smart.

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:To say that a coach should adapt to his roster and maximize there talents, is about as dumb as it gets. Thats like saying Phil should keep this talented roster in place and somehow teach them the triangle even though certain players just don't fit.

That goes for MDA, you give him a banged up howard and NASH a dis gruntal Gasol, and essential had Duhon again, and you think he suppose to get that bunch to play well beyond there talents.

It seems ridiculous to say that a coach should get his players to play above and beyond, then in the next breath say he doesnt have the players to play his style.

If every one on MDA's suns roster was able to knock down a 3 and thats what made him successful, should he force howard and gasol to shoot 3's or even intergrate them in his system with no training camp.

I'll give DOC RIVERS his props when he guides a team (without an elite PG )to the finals.

A coach can only be considered a bad coach if his roster is really good and there losing like crazy. You can't give a coach a bad roster with no chemistry (only played a few months with each other), no talent, and when he loses label him a bad coach because he didn't over achieve

It's not dumb, it's called coaching. It's what Tom Thibadeau did in Chicago and it's what Woody did after Stache left. It's what Stu Jackson did when he upset the Celtics by by dumping a halfcourt styke and allowing his roster to run. Phil adopted the triangle for a slew a different rosters featuring players of varying degrees of talent and skillsets. He made adjustments to maximize those rosters. No one is labeling him a bad coach. But I am labeling him an inflexible one.

I agree. Look at Riley, he went from Showtime in LA to a tough, physical style in NY and he came within one game of winning it all. Not adapting to the roster you have is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

He did not have much to adapt with here. Adapt to Tony Douglass? Jared Jeffries? Go ISO?

He was a stubborn mule don't get me wrong. He allowed Tony phuckin Douglass to lead the knicks in 3's shooting a whopping 25%. "Keep shooting Tony"

When you have one of the top two scorers in the league and you stick him in the corner, behind the arc and tell him to stay there like just another role player, you are asking for trouble, and not making the most of the talents of your best player.

Not sure if we had the right PG to do that but Coach K did it with him in the olympics and he shined.

That is actually the best place for Melo to shine. He should not be initiating the offense on top of the key or over forcing post position.

He is a phenomenal shooter and if he played spread as per what MDA wanted and what Coach K did, he would be/was unstoppable.

If he played in Houston, that is how they would utilize him, and it would be very smart.

That was a team comprised of the best players in the world, dont believe its the same situation. Don't believe trying to turn Melo into Ray Allen is the way to go when he is one of the best post up players in the league. At least not until he's closer to being out of the league and cant do the things he does now.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:To say that a coach should adapt to his roster and maximize there talents, is about as dumb as it gets. Thats like saying Phil should keep this talented roster in place and somehow teach them the triangle even though certain players just don't fit.

That goes for MDA, you give him a banged up howard and NASH a dis gruntal Gasol, and essential had Duhon again, and you think he suppose to get that bunch to play well beyond there talents.

It seems ridiculous to say that a coach should get his players to play above and beyond, then in the next breath say he doesnt have the players to play his style.

If every one on MDA's suns roster was able to knock down a 3 and thats what made him successful, should he force howard and gasol to shoot 3's or even intergrate them in his system with no training camp.

I'll give DOC RIVERS his props when he guides a team (without an elite PG )to the finals.

A coach can only be considered a bad coach if his roster is really good and there losing like crazy. You can't give a coach a bad roster with no chemistry (only played a few months with each other), no talent, and when he loses label him a bad coach because he didn't over achieve

It's not dumb, it's called coaching. It's what Tom Thibadeau did in Chicago and it's what Woody did after Stache left. It's what Stu Jackson did when he upset the Celtics by by dumping a halfcourt styke and allowing his roster to run. Phil adopted the triangle for a slew a different rosters featuring players of varying degrees of talent and skillsets. He made adjustments to maximize those rosters. No one is labeling him a bad coach. But I am labeling him an inflexible one.

I agree. Look at Riley, he went from Showtime in LA to a tough, physical style in NY and he came within one game of winning it all. Not adapting to the roster you have is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

He did not have much to adapt with here. Adapt to Tony Douglass? Jared Jeffries? Go ISO?

He was a stubborn mule don't get me wrong. He allowed Tony phuckin Douglass to lead the knicks in 3's shooting a whopping 25%. "Keep shooting Tony"

When you have one of the top two scorers in the league and you stick him in the corner, behind the arc and tell him to stay there like just another role player, you are asking for trouble, and not making the most of the talents of your best player.

Not sure if we had the right PG to do that but Coach K did it with him in the olympics and he shined.

That is actually the best place for Melo to shine. He should not be initiating the offense on top of the key or over forcing post position.

He is a phenomenal shooter and if he played spread as per what MDA wanted and what Coach K did, he would be/was unstoppable.

If he played in Houston, that is how they would utilize him, and it would be very smart.

That was a team comprised of the best players in the world, dont believe its the same situation. Don't believe trying to turn Melo into Ray Allen is the way to go when he is one of the best post up players in the league. At least not until he's closer to being out of the league and cant do the things he does now.

You don't need the olympic team to use him that way. You just need a good PG. Its not just parking and shooting it would open up the lane and cause him to have many wide open 3's (which is his the strongest part of his game) and uncontested drives and creates.

Its still ok to occasionally go ISO / Posts but that is not his strength, its very grueling and he is not a great passer out of the post hence the low number of hockey assists compared to double teams.

If Melo goes to Houston and is used in that capacity, I can see him getting 24 per game on 50% FG and close to a 60% TS. Maybe even get a couple of more assists a game.

Using him the way Woodson used him was just plain dumb.

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:To say that a coach should adapt to his roster and maximize there talents, is about as dumb as it gets. Thats like saying Phil should keep this talented roster in place and somehow teach them the triangle even though certain players just don't fit.

That goes for MDA, you give him a banged up howard and NASH a dis gruntal Gasol, and essential had Duhon again, and you think he suppose to get that bunch to play well beyond there talents.

It seems ridiculous to say that a coach should get his players to play above and beyond, then in the next breath say he doesnt have the players to play his style.

If every one on MDA's suns roster was able to knock down a 3 and thats what made him successful, should he force howard and gasol to shoot 3's or even intergrate them in his system with no training camp.

I'll give DOC RIVERS his props when he guides a team (without an elite PG )to the finals.

A coach can only be considered a bad coach if his roster is really good and there losing like crazy. You can't give a coach a bad roster with no chemistry (only played a few months with each other), no talent, and when he loses label him a bad coach because he didn't over achieve

It's not dumb, it's called coaching. It's what Tom Thibadeau did in Chicago and it's what Woody did after Stache left. It's what Stu Jackson did when he upset the Celtics by by dumping a halfcourt styke and allowing his roster to run. Phil adopted the triangle for a slew a different rosters featuring players of varying degrees of talent and skillsets. He made adjustments to maximize those rosters. No one is labeling him a bad coach. But I am labeling him an inflexible one.

I agree. Look at Riley, he went from Showtime in LA to a tough, physical style in NY and he came within one game of winning it all. Not adapting to the roster you have is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

He did not have much to adapt with here. Adapt to Tony Douglass? Jared Jeffries? Go ISO?

He was a stubborn mule don't get me wrong. He allowed Tony phuckin Douglass to lead the knicks in 3's shooting a whopping 25%. "Keep shooting Tony"

When you have one of the top two scorers in the league and you stick him in the corner, behind the arc and tell him to stay there like just another role player, you are asking for trouble, and not making the most of the talents of your best player.

Or better yet, take Pau Gasol, one of the most skilled post players in the game, and have him camp out in the perimeter like he's Dirk Nowitzki. And you wonder why Pau was disgruntled?

I agree, just posted the same thing about Melo.

melo is one of the best post up players ever, but when woody went that rout all that did was boost melo's numbers and sank the rest of the team

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:To say that a coach should adapt to his roster and maximize there talents, is about as dumb as it gets. Thats like saying Phil should keep this talented roster in place and somehow teach them the triangle even though certain players just don't fit.

That goes for MDA, you give him a banged up howard and NASH a dis gruntal Gasol, and essential had Duhon again, and you think he suppose to get that bunch to play well beyond there talents.

It seems ridiculous to say that a coach should get his players to play above and beyond, then in the next breath say he doesnt have the players to play his style.

If every one on MDA's suns roster was able to knock down a 3 and thats what made him successful, should he force howard and gasol to shoot 3's or even intergrate them in his system with no training camp.

I'll give DOC RIVERS his props when he guides a team (without an elite PG )to the finals.

A coach can only be considered a bad coach if his roster is really good and there losing like crazy. You can't give a coach a bad roster with no chemistry (only played a few months with each other), no talent, and when he loses label him a bad coach because he didn't over achieve

It's not dumb, it's called coaching. It's what Tom Thibadeau did in Chicago and it's what Woody did after Stache left. It's what Stu Jackson did when he upset the Celtics by by dumping a halfcourt styke and allowing his roster to run. Phil adopted the triangle for a slew a different rosters featuring players of varying degrees of talent and skillsets. He made adjustments to maximize those rosters. No one is labeling him a bad coach. But I am labeling him an inflexible one.

I agree. Look at Riley, he went from Showtime in LA to a tough, physical style in NY and he came within one game of winning it all. Not adapting to the roster you have is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

He did not have much to adapt with here. Adapt to Tony Douglass? Jared Jeffries? Go ISO?

He was a stubborn mule don't get me wrong. He allowed Tony phuckin Douglass to lead the knicks in 3's shooting a whopping 25%. "Keep shooting Tony"

When you have one of the top two scorers in the league and you stick him in the corner, behind the arc and tell him to stay there like just another role player, you are asking for trouble, and not making the most of the talents of your best player.

Or better yet, take Pau Gasol, one of the most skilled post players in the game, and have him camp out in the perimeter like he's Dirk Nowitzki. And you wonder why Pau was disgruntled?

I agree, just posted the same thing about Melo.

melo is one of the best post up players ever, but when woody went that rout all that did was boost melo's numbers and sank the rest of the team

Both coaches went to the opposite extreme and it hurt us, and Melo shouldnt have gone off the script with MDA alhough I agree with the reason why he did at times. No single factor was responsible for our lack of success. Well there's Dolan.

they came back to make the playoffs.

Not exactly a great team he took over.

I love the comparisons of "Well Riley took show time (Not his inventino btw)and changed his approach to lead the knicks"......Well MDA is not Riley is he? Riley used to run the heat into the ground for years until he got Shaq with Wade, then he was a genious again. Maybe MDA will get it right as Riley needed to. KNicks had a good team in place and Riley did a great job with them. He left and JVG continued to do a good job, in fact he freaking owned Riley in the playoffs!

So have we learned, that MDA is not riley!! Great!

The laker team MDA took over was a wreck when he got them and thru Dwights bad back, Pau not playiong worth a damn, Kobe carrying the team until he blew out his heel, and Nash never doing a thing I thought he did a credible job. THis year, no Kobe, no Nash, No Immature on the brink of one and done Dwight, and a mish mash of players the lakers sucked. Any coach not fired should ask for his year guaranteed because he just endured a throw out year. Phuch Kobe and his whiney ego anyway.