OasisBU wrote:1) why wasn't he banned/removed from the NBA hall of fame? And how did he actually get inducted considering his track record as an owner?

I don't see him listed in the Hall, am I missing something?

OasisBU wrote:Nice work by Silver - I didn't think the NBA would go this far but it's impressive to see he has a brass set and will confront this type of controversy head on.

The questions I have are:
1) why wasn't he banned/removed from the NBA hall of fame? And how did he actually get inducted considering his track record as an owner?

2) Sterling admitted the recording was his voice - why isn't he trying to fight it? Seems a little out there to me that a guy who loves to litigate would admit to something that would be so damaging (even if it would eventually be proved it was him)

3) Will Sterling appeal/litigate? I find it doubtful given his admission of guilt but who knows, the punishment is severe so he might.

4) Will the owners support Silver on this and push Sterling out? Most likely but Nalod brought up some things about these guys (Countrywide, Fracking, etc) that may not be a big deal now but once you set a precedent it cannot be undone

5) what about the precedent that has been set here? We have all said things in private that could be misconstrued or offensive to others - now an illegally taped conversation has been released to the public and persecution has followed. Whether you think he is scum of the earth or not is not the issue - speech is no longer free and privacy no longer exists. Sure there are consequences for what you say in public but now we are going after what happens behind closed doors. That is something I find deeply troubling because of it's implications for the future of this country.

All in all I think this was the only outcome that would work in this situation. I do believe that everyone here has lost a little - the players and coaches of the Clippers have had their trust betrayed, the league has suffered a massive racial scandal when it positions itself as progressive, the country is embroiled in another high profile race scandal, the Jewish community has to deal with the perception that it harbors prejudice, and the list goes on.

Good has come out of it too: I think the world has taken a step forward towards reducing the tolerance of racism, it still exists but things are changing. I believe the players are a little more unified and so is the NBA community as a whole. Silver has shown he is the real deal and will hopefully be a great commissioner for the league.

I looked him up, he is not listed in the HOF. http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers-index/

Its his voice, he can't deny it. Nothing to litigate if its you.

He has been banned for life which the constitution allows in NBA bylaws. He adheres to it as an owner. He could fight it.

Silver has the support of the owners to get his asz out..

If you watch Silver's conference he answers your questions.

Nalod wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Nice work by Silver - I didn't think the NBA would go this far but it's impressive to see he has a brass set and will confront this type of controversy head on.

The questions I have are:
1) why wasn't he banned/removed from the NBA hall of fame? And how did he actually get inducted considering his track record as an owner?

2) Sterling admitted the recording was his voice - why isn't he trying to fight it? Seems a little out there to me that a guy who loves to litigate would admit to something that would be so damaging (even if it would eventually be proved it was him)

3) Will Sterling appeal/litigate? I find it doubtful given his admission of guilt but who knows, the punishment is severe so he might.

4) Will the owners support Silver on this and push Sterling out? Most likely but Nalod brought up some things about these guys (Countrywide, Fracking, etc) that may not be a big deal now but once you set a precedent it cannot be undone

5) what about the precedent that has been set here? We have all said things in private that could be misconstrued or offensive to others - now an illegally taped conversation has been released to the public and persecution has followed. Whether you think he is scum of the earth or not is not the issue - speech is no longer free and privacy no longer exists. Sure there are consequences for what you say in public but now we are going after what happens behind closed doors. That is something I find deeply troubling because of it's implications for the future of this country.

All in all I think this was the only outcome that would work in this situation. I do believe that everyone here has lost a little - the players and coaches of the Clippers have had their trust betrayed, the league has suffered a massive racial scandal when it positions itself as progressive, the country is embroiled in another high profile race scandal, the Jewish community has to deal with the perception that it harbors prejudice, and the list goes on.

Good has come out of it too: I think the world has taken a step forward towards reducing the tolerance of racism, it still exists but things are changing. I believe the players are a little more unified and so is the NBA community as a whole. Silver has shown he is the real deal and will hopefully be a great commissioner for the league.

I looked him up, he is not listed in the HOF. http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers-index/

Its his voice, he can't deny it. Nothing to litigate if its you.

He has been banned for life which the constitution allows in NBA bylaws. He adheres to it as an owner. He could fight it.

Silver has the support of the owners to get his asz out..

If you watch Silver's conference he answers your questions.

Nalod - you know you can litigate anything - see Oscar Pistorious, Sandusky, bridge gate, any case involving DNA evidence. He could argue the recording is illegal (which I heard it is). He could have denied it was him and fought the recording. It's not like she was wearing a wire.

My guess is he was probably given legal advice to rip this off like a bandaid so the storm will die down quickly rather than fight it and risk further tapes and allegations from coming out. Either that or he feels so guilty over being exposed that he is just going to admit it and walk away.

mreinman wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

Nalod wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Nice work by Silver - I didn't think the NBA would go this far but it's impressive to see he has a brass set and will confront this type of controversy head on.

The questions I have are:
1) why wasn't he banned/removed from the NBA hall of fame? And how did he actually get inducted considering his track record as an owner?

2) Sterling admitted the recording was his voice - why isn't he trying to fight it? Seems a little out there to me that a guy who loves to litigate would admit to something that would be so damaging (even if it would eventually be proved it was him)

3) Will Sterling appeal/litigate? I find it doubtful given his admission of guilt but who knows, the punishment is severe so he might.

4) Will the owners support Silver on this and push Sterling out? Most likely but Nalod brought up some things about these guys (Countrywide, Fracking, etc) that may not be a big deal now but once you set a precedent it cannot be undone

5) what about the precedent that has been set here? We have all said things in private that could be misconstrued or offensive to others - now an illegally taped conversation has been released to the public and persecution has followed. Whether you think he is scum of the earth or not is not the issue - speech is no longer free and privacy no longer exists. Sure there are consequences for what you say in public but now we are going after what happens behind closed doors. That is something I find deeply troubling because of it's implications for the future of this country.

All in all I think this was the only outcome that would work in this situation. I do believe that everyone here has lost a little - the players and coaches of the Clippers have had their trust betrayed, the league has suffered a massive racial scandal when it positions itself as progressive, the country is embroiled in another high profile race scandal, the Jewish community has to deal with the perception that it harbors prejudice, and the list goes on.

Good has come out of it too: I think the world has taken a step forward towards reducing the tolerance of racism, it still exists but things are changing. I believe the players are a little more unified and so is the NBA community as a whole. Silver has shown he is the real deal and will hopefully be a great commissioner for the league.

I looked him up, he is not listed in the HOF. http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers-index/

Its his voice, he can't deny it. Nothing to litigate if its you.

He has been banned for life which the constitution allows in NBA bylaws. He adheres to it as an owner. He could fight it.

Silver has the support of the owners to get his asz out..

If you watch Silver's conference he answers your questions.

Nalod - you know you can litigate anything - see Oscar Pistorious, Sandusky, bridge gate, any case involving DNA evidence. He could argue the recording is illegal (which I heard it is). He could have denied it was him and fought the recording. It's not like she was wearing a wire.

My guess is he was probably given legal advice to rip this off like a bandaid so the storm will die down quickly rather than fight it and risk further tapes and allegations from coming out. Either that or he feels so guilty over being exposed that he is just going to admit it and walk away.

With the advancement of voice biometrics they can prove that it is definitely him.

I don't think that's the point - I think he could have fought it on legality of the recording and he could have hired any number of experts to muddy the waters.

I have no doubt they would have proven it was him but you know how the legal system works when the defendant has money....

OasisBU wrote:

mreinman wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

Nalod wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Nice work by Silver - I didn't think the NBA would go this far but it's impressive to see he has a brass set and will confront this type of controversy head on.

The questions I have are:
1) why wasn't he banned/removed from the NBA hall of fame? And how did he actually get inducted considering his track record as an owner?

2) Sterling admitted the recording was his voice - why isn't he trying to fight it? Seems a little out there to me that a guy who loves to litigate would admit to something that would be so damaging (even if it would eventually be proved it was him)

3) Will Sterling appeal/litigate? I find it doubtful given his admission of guilt but who knows, the punishment is severe so he might.

4) Will the owners support Silver on this and push Sterling out? Most likely but Nalod brought up some things about these guys (Countrywide, Fracking, etc) that may not be a big deal now but once you set a precedent it cannot be undone

5) what about the precedent that has been set here? We have all said things in private that could be misconstrued or offensive to others - now an illegally taped conversation has been released to the public and persecution has followed. Whether you think he is scum of the earth or not is not the issue - speech is no longer free and privacy no longer exists. Sure there are consequences for what you say in public but now we are going after what happens behind closed doors. That is something I find deeply troubling because of it's implications for the future of this country.

All in all I think this was the only outcome that would work in this situation. I do believe that everyone here has lost a little - the players and coaches of the Clippers have had their trust betrayed, the league has suffered a massive racial scandal when it positions itself as progressive, the country is embroiled in another high profile race scandal, the Jewish community has to deal with the perception that it harbors prejudice, and the list goes on.

Good has come out of it too: I think the world has taken a step forward towards reducing the tolerance of racism, it still exists but things are changing. I believe the players are a little more unified and so is the NBA community as a whole. Silver has shown he is the real deal and will hopefully be a great commissioner for the league.

I looked him up, he is not listed in the HOF. http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers-index/

Its his voice, he can't deny it. Nothing to litigate if its you.

He has been banned for life which the constitution allows in NBA bylaws. He adheres to it as an owner. He could fight it.

Silver has the support of the owners to get his asz out..

If you watch Silver's conference he answers your questions.

Nalod - you know you can litigate anything - see Oscar Pistorious, Sandusky, bridge gate, any case involving DNA evidence. He could argue the recording is illegal (which I heard it is). He could have denied it was him and fought the recording. It's not like she was wearing a wire.

My guess is he was probably given legal advice to rip this off like a bandaid so the storm will die down quickly rather than fight it and risk further tapes and allegations from coming out. Either that or he feels so guilty over being exposed that he is just going to admit it and walk away.

With the advancement of voice biometrics they can prove that it is definitely him.

I don't think that's the point - I think he could have fought it on legality of the recording and he could have hired any number of experts to muddy the waters.

I have no doubt they would have proven it was him but you know how the legal system works when the defendant has money....

the commish is the final voice according to the nba bylaws. most courts, based on that agreement the owners all have signed, would toss the suit out quick.

sidsanders wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

mreinman wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

Nalod wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Nice work by Silver - I didn't think the NBA would go this far but it's impressive to see he has a brass set and will confront this type of controversy head on.

The questions I have are:
1) why wasn't he banned/removed from the NBA hall of fame? And how did he actually get inducted considering his track record as an owner?

2) Sterling admitted the recording was his voice - why isn't he trying to fight it? Seems a little out there to me that a guy who loves to litigate would admit to something that would be so damaging (even if it would eventually be proved it was him)

3) Will Sterling appeal/litigate? I find it doubtful given his admission of guilt but who knows, the punishment is severe so he might.

4) Will the owners support Silver on this and push Sterling out? Most likely but Nalod brought up some things about these guys (Countrywide, Fracking, etc) that may not be a big deal now but once you set a precedent it cannot be undone

5) what about the precedent that has been set here? We have all said things in private that could be misconstrued or offensive to others - now an illegally taped conversation has been released to the public and persecution has followed. Whether you think he is scum of the earth or not is not the issue - speech is no longer free and privacy no longer exists. Sure there are consequences for what you say in public but now we are going after what happens behind closed doors. That is something I find deeply troubling because of it's implications for the future of this country.

All in all I think this was the only outcome that would work in this situation. I do believe that everyone here has lost a little - the players and coaches of the Clippers have had their trust betrayed, the league has suffered a massive racial scandal when it positions itself as progressive, the country is embroiled in another high profile race scandal, the Jewish community has to deal with the perception that it harbors prejudice, and the list goes on.

Good has come out of it too: I think the world has taken a step forward towards reducing the tolerance of racism, it still exists but things are changing. I believe the players are a little more unified and so is the NBA community as a whole. Silver has shown he is the real deal and will hopefully be a great commissioner for the league.

I looked him up, he is not listed in the HOF. http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers-index/

Its his voice, he can't deny it. Nothing to litigate if its you.

He has been banned for life which the constitution allows in NBA bylaws. He adheres to it as an owner. He could fight it.

Silver has the support of the owners to get his asz out..

If you watch Silver's conference he answers your questions.

Nalod - you know you can litigate anything - see Oscar Pistorious, Sandusky, bridge gate, any case involving DNA evidence. He could argue the recording is illegal (which I heard it is). He could have denied it was him and fought the recording. It's not like she was wearing a wire.

My guess is he was probably given legal advice to rip this off like a bandaid so the storm will die down quickly rather than fight it and risk further tapes and allegations from coming out. Either that or he feels so guilty over being exposed that he is just going to admit it and walk away.

With the advancement of voice biometrics they can prove that it is definitely him.

I don't think that's the point - I think he could have fought it on legality of the recording and he could have hired any number of experts to muddy the waters.

I have no doubt they would have proven it was him but you know how the legal system works when the defendant has money....

the commish is the final voice according to the nba bylaws. most courts, based on that agreement the owners all have signed, would toss the suit out quick.

Don't players appeal fines, seek arbitration etc? It is not a given the ban would stand if he fought it and hadn't admitted to anything.

I think him admitting it is just as powerful if not more so than the actual recording.

Phil Jax has to be cringing that they might be sold and he could have been a part of a new ownership group without having leave his bed in malibu!

details why sterlings legal options will most likely be limited in terms of his fine/suspension.

Nalod wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

Nalod wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Nice work by Silver - I didn't think the NBA would go this far but it's impressive to see he has a brass set and will confront this type of controversy head on.

The questions I have are:
1) why wasn't he banned/removed from the NBA hall of fame? And how did he actually get inducted considering his track record as an owner?

2) Sterling admitted the recording was his voice - why isn't he trying to fight it? Seems a little out there to me that a guy who loves to litigate would admit to something that would be so damaging (even if it would eventually be proved it was him)

3) Will Sterling appeal/litigate? I find it doubtful given his admission of guilt but who knows, the punishment is severe so he might.

4) Will the owners support Silver on this and push Sterling out? Most likely but Nalod brought up some things about these guys (Countrywide, Fracking, etc) that may not be a big deal now but once you set a precedent it cannot be undone

5) what about the precedent that has been set here? We have all said things in private that could be misconstrued or offensive to others - now an illegally taped conversation has been released to the public and persecution has followed. Whether you think he is scum of the earth or not is not the issue - speech is no longer free and privacy no longer exists. Sure there are consequences for what you say in public but now we are going after what happens behind closed doors. That is something I find deeply troubling because of it's implications for the future of this country.

All in all I think this was the only outcome that would work in this situation. I do believe that everyone here has lost a little - the players and coaches of the Clippers have had their trust betrayed, the league has suffered a massive racial scandal when it positions itself as progressive, the country is embroiled in another high profile race scandal, the Jewish community has to deal with the perception that it harbors prejudice, and the list goes on.

Good has come out of it too: I think the world has taken a step forward towards reducing the tolerance of racism, it still exists but things are changing. I believe the players are a little more unified and so is the NBA community as a whole. Silver has shown he is the real deal and will hopefully be a great commissioner for the league.

I looked him up, he is not listed in the HOF. http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers-index/

Its his voice, he can't deny it. Nothing to litigate if its you.

He has been banned for life which the constitution allows in NBA bylaws. He adheres to it as an owner. He could fight it.

Silver has the support of the owners to get his asz out..

If you watch Silver's conference he answers your questions.

Nalod - you know you can litigate anything - see Oscar Pistorious, Sandusky, bridge gate, any case involving DNA evidence. He could argue the recording is illegal (which I heard it is). He could have denied it was him and fought the recording. It's not like she was wearing a wire.

My guess is he was probably given legal advice to rip this off like a bandaid so the storm will die down quickly rather than fight it and risk further tapes and allegations from coming out. Either that or he feels so guilty over being exposed that he is just going to admit it and walk away.

Im sure there is more to the story of why she did what she did. Sure you can litigate but what are you litigating? The Bylaws of the NBA?

No doubt there is an arguement to your point but in the end its not the legality of the recording. IN fact, the skank girlfriend may be in a heap of trouble when all is said and done for the damage she did, but if there are hours and hours of this crap that was for him to decide further disclosure. IM sure she had some proof of him saying these things. She was seen yesterday going to the lawyers and talking to NBA investigators. That itself does not implicate but NBA and the owners would want to be very certain it was him and seems like they had the proof. Just my take.

Can he sue the NBA in the aftermath? I would think to keep things hush-hush they already adhere to private binding arbitration.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

Nalod wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Nice work by Silver - I didn't think the NBA would go this far but it's impressive to see he has a brass set and will confront this type of controversy head on.

The questions I have are:
1) why wasn't he banned/removed from the NBA hall of fame? And how did he actually get inducted considering his track record as an owner?

2) Sterling admitted the recording was his voice - why isn't he trying to fight it? Seems a little out there to me that a guy who loves to litigate would admit to something that would be so damaging (even if it would eventually be proved it was him)

3) Will Sterling appeal/litigate? I find it doubtful given his admission of guilt but who knows, the punishment is severe so he might.

4) Will the owners support Silver on this and push Sterling out? Most likely but Nalod brought up some things about these guys (Countrywide, Fracking, etc) that may not be a big deal now but once you set a precedent it cannot be undone

5) what about the precedent that has been set here? We have all said things in private that could be misconstrued or offensive to others - now an illegally taped conversation has been released to the public and persecution has followed. Whether you think he is scum of the earth or not is not the issue - speech is no longer free and privacy no longer exists. Sure there are consequences for what you say in public but now we are going after what happens behind closed doors. That is something I find deeply troubling because of it's implications for the future of this country.

All in all I think this was the only outcome that would work in this situation. I do believe that everyone here has lost a little - the players and coaches of the Clippers have had their trust betrayed, the league has suffered a massive racial scandal when it positions itself as progressive, the country is embroiled in another high profile race scandal, the Jewish community has to deal with the perception that it harbors prejudice, and the list goes on.

Good has come out of it too: I think the world has taken a step forward towards reducing the tolerance of racism, it still exists but things are changing. I believe the players are a little more unified and so is the NBA community as a whole. Silver has shown he is the real deal and will hopefully be a great commissioner for the league.

I looked him up, he is not listed in the HOF. http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers-index/

Its his voice, he can't deny it. Nothing to litigate if its you.

He has been banned for life which the constitution allows in NBA bylaws. He adheres to it as an owner. He could fight it.

Silver has the support of the owners to get his asz out..

If you watch Silver's conference he answers your questions.

Nalod - you know you can litigate anything - see Oscar Pistorious, Sandusky, bridge gate, any case involving DNA evidence. He could argue the recording is illegal (which I heard it is). He could have denied it was him and fought the recording. It's not like she was wearing a wire.

My guess is he was probably given legal advice to rip this off like a bandaid so the storm will die down quickly rather than fight it and risk further tapes and allegations from coming out. Either that or he feels so guilty over being exposed that he is just going to admit it and walk away.

Im sure there is more to the story of why she did what she did. Sure you can litigate but what are you litigating? The Bylaws of the NBA?

No doubt there is an arguement to your point but in the end its not the legality of the recording. IN fact, the skank girlfriend may be in a heap of trouble when all is said and done for the damage she did, but if there are hours and hours of this crap that was for him to decide further disclosure. IM sure she had some proof of him saying these things. She was seen yesterday going to the lawyers and talking to NBA investigators. That itself does not implicate but NBA and the owners would want to be very certain it was him and seems like they had the proof. Just my take.

Can he sue the NBA in the aftermath? I would think to keep things hush-hush they already adhere to private binding arbitration.

Yeah, I don't think you can record someone without their permission, *especially* in a situation where there's an expectation of privacy. I think he'd have a very strong lawsuit against the woman. That said, she may not have any assets for him to collect anyway, and he would look terrible going after her.

Have you seen photos of this guy? Looking terrible is not a concern of his.