Papabear wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:It's kind of funny watching and listening to some of this. As a coach no one can speak a dime to Phil J. As a GM? O Roberston--who is Phil Jackson? And he's somewhat right-the bottom line is Phil is a GM novice and will waive MUCH less of a sword as a GM than having a team built up with a Shaq or an MJ. He needs to rely on players coming here or not leavi8ng 9in Melos case. In his own tenure--he simply coached what was already delivered. This is a different beast. You don't think Melo will listen to an Oscar Robertson's type pf advice? The Lakers thought they were resigning Howard as well!

Papabear Says

I now hope that Melo leaves New York because he doesn't need the grief. Let the great Phil Jackson put it all together. Where ever he goes I will root for him to win. The man played his heart out and got no respect. Lets see what the Zin master can do.

what? Oscar says, so you having a hissy fit? No respect? We gave half our team for him, gave him max money, chant M_V_P and MELO recently said HIMSELF he'd take less than Max in NY if it made sense. Listen to PHils statement, it was totally ok and not dissing Melo at all!

codeunknown wrote:Phil's comments are poorly chosen. The motivation is correct from the Knicks perspective but it doesn't enhance the chances of it happening by leaving a mis-interpretable patronizing quasi-abrasive statement for the media/Melo to mull over prior to the start of negotiations.

Papabear Says

I agree. and for anyone who is trying to sign Melo this was a complete turnoff.

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:It's kind of funny watching and listening to some of this. As a coach no one can speak a dime to Phil J. As a GM? O Roberston--who is Phil Jackson? And he's somewhat right-the bottom line is Phil is a GM novice and will waive MUCH less of a sword as a GM than having a team built up with a Shaq or an MJ. He needs to rely on players coming here or not leavi8ng 9in Melos case. In his own tenure--he simply coached what was already delivered. This is a different beast. You don't think Melo will listen to an Oscar Robertson's type pf advice? The Lakers thought they were resigning Howard as well!

Papabear Says

I now hope that Melo leaves New York because he doesn't need the grief. Let the great Phil Jackson put it all together. Where ever he goes I will root for him to win. The man played his heart out and got no respect. Lets see what the Zin master can do.

what? Oscar says, so you having a hissy fit? No respect? We gave half our team for him, gave him max money, chant M_V_P and MELO recently said HIMSELF he'd take less than Max in NY if it made sense. Listen to PHils statement, it was totally ok and not dissing Melo at all!

Papabear Says

When Phil went to the Lakers it was other people who brought that team together for Phil to win. Phil is very egotistical and sometimes talk before he thinks. as a president and GM you can't do that. The problem With New York is we are always ready to throw someone under the bus and there is a real big bus waiting tfor Phil in 2 years if he last that long.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:It's kind of funny watching and listening to some of this. As a coach no one can speak a dime to Phil J. As a GM? O Roberston--who is Phil Jackson? And he's somewhat right-the bottom line is Phil is a GM novice and will waive MUCH less of a sword as a GM than having a team built up with a Shaq or an MJ. He needs to rely on players coming here or not leavi8ng 9in Melos case. In his own tenure--he simply coached what was already delivered. This is a different beast. You don't think Melo will listen to an Oscar Robertson's type pf advice? The Lakers thought they were resigning Howard as well!

Papabear Says

I now hope that Melo leaves New York because he doesn't need the grief. Let the great Phil Jackson put it all together. Where ever he goes I will root for him to win. The man played his heart out and got no respect. Lets see what the Zin master can do.

what? Oscar says, so you having a hissy fit? No respect? We gave half our team for him, gave him max money, chant M_V_P and MELO recently said HIMSELF he'd take less than Max in NY if it made sense. Listen to PHils statement, it was totally ok and not dissing Melo at all!

Papabear Says

When Phil went to the Lakers it was other people who brought that team together for Phil to win. Phil is very egotistical and sometimes talk before he thinks. as a president and GM you can't do that. The problem With New York is we are always ready to throw someone under the bus and there is a real big bus waiting tfor Phil in 2 years if he last that long.

Phil is doing what he should do, get Melo at the best price possible..I want Melo to stay..Phil wants Melo to stay..Phil won't last two years if he fields a .500 team and he knows that..He talks a little too much but he hasn't been in NY for a while..Lets give it some time, Phil ain't dumb..

Is this bizaro holfresh speaking?

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:It's kind of funny watching and listening to some of this. As a coach no one can speak a dime to Phil J. As a GM? O Roberston--who is Phil Jackson? And he's somewhat right-the bottom line is Phil is a GM novice and will waive MUCH less of a sword as a GM than having a team built up with a Shaq or an MJ. He needs to rely on players coming here or not leavi8ng 9in Melos case. In his own tenure--he simply coached what was already delivered. This is a different beast. You don't think Melo will listen to an Oscar Robertson's type pf advice? The Lakers thought they were resigning Howard as well!

Papabear Says

I now hope that Melo leaves New York because he doesn't need the grief. Let the great Phil Jackson put it all together. Where ever he goes I will root for him to win. The man played his heart out and got no respect. Lets see what the Zin master can do.

what? Oscar says, so you having a hissy fit? No respect? We gave half our team for him, gave him max money, chant M_V_P and MELO recently said HIMSELF he'd take less than Max in NY if it made sense. Listen to PHils statement, it was totally ok and not dissing Melo at all!

Papabear Says

When Phil went to the Lakers it was other people who brought that team together for Phil to win. Phil is very egotistical and sometimes talk before he thinks. as a president and GM you can't do that. The problem With New York is we are always ready to throw someone under the bus and there is a real big bus waiting tfor Phil in 2 years if he last that long.

Phil is doing what he should do, get Melo at the best price possible..I want Melo to stay..Phil wants Melo to stay..Phil won't last two years if he fields a .500 team and he knows that..He talks a little too much but he hasn't been in NY for a while..Lets give it some time, Phil ain't dumb..

Is this bizaro holfresh speaking?

Not used to nuances??..Don't get much of it here..Like a person wanting Phil here not liking the Odom signing and Kerr and actually saying it..Yeah..I roll that way..

Very used the Nuance. Love their voice reco technology.

You are all over the place ... I kinda like it though I don't really get it.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:It's kind of funny watching and listening to some of this. As a coach no one can speak a dime to Phil J. As a GM? O Roberston--who is Phil Jackson? And he's somewhat right-the bottom line is Phil is a GM novice and will waive MUCH less of a sword as a GM than having a team built up with a Shaq or an MJ. He needs to rely on players coming here or not leavi8ng 9in Melos case. In his own tenure--he simply coached what was already delivered. This is a different beast. You don't think Melo will listen to an Oscar Robertson's type pf advice? The Lakers thought they were resigning Howard as well!

Papabear Says

I now hope that Melo leaves New York because he doesn't need the grief. Let the great Phil Jackson put it all together. Where ever he goes I will root for him to win. The man played his heart out and got no respect. Lets see what the Zin master can do.

what? Oscar says, so you having a hissy fit? No respect? We gave half our team for him, gave him max money, chant M_V_P and MELO recently said HIMSELF he'd take less than Max in NY if it made sense. Listen to PHils statement, it was totally ok and not dissing Melo at all!

Papabear Says

When Phil went to the Lakers it was other people who brought that team together for Phil to win. Phil is very egotistical and sometimes talk before he thinks. as a president and GM you can't do that. The problem With New York is we are always ready to throw someone under the bus and there is a real big bus waiting tfor Phil in 2 years if he last that long.

Phil is doing what he should do, get Melo at the best price possible..I want Melo to stay..Phil wants Melo to stay..Phil won't last two years if he fields a .500 team and he knows that..He talks a little too much but he hasn't been in NY for a while..Lets give it some time, Phil ain't dumb..

Is this bizaro holfresh speaking?

Not used to nuances??..Don't get much of it here..Like a person wanting Phil here not liking the Odom signing and Kerr and actually saying it..Yeah..I roll that way..

Very used the Nuance. Love their voice reco technology.

You are all over the place ... I kinda like it though I don't really get it.

All over the place???..How??...Always clear and direct..

direct in your views.

views are out there. pro Woody, pro Dolan, anti sabermetrics, anti non knick compliments, pjax hesitant

Complicated fanhood

Were you not a big felton fan?

Loyalty not in question.

Its stupid. If he stays I actually give him more cred. Time will tell

rockets don't need another ball hog, they need a facilitator like Rondo.

also they need to fire coach Mchale. he's not the brightest coach.

Again, I get it, but come on. Jeter and Manning manage it. Yes, they've won chips, but that's all the more reason to want to join the pantheon of NY championship legends. Do you think Walt Clyde has to pay for a drinks or meals? Mess? LT? Bernie? Boggs?

Athletes used to cherish and rise to these types of challenges and now a legend is suggesting running away from one and find a ready made option? Why not sign for the mid level with Miami? I would expect from a professional athlete, but I guess that's me being stupid. These guys make tens of millions playing games and we get to hear whining for each other and the horrible hassle of the media and fans wanting them to win.

There was a twit that played on the Yankees and he complained after he left that all they care about their is winning. Well no crap! That's why players play and the championship is/should be the goal for every team every year. I know they all work on playing the system for draft purposes, but that's crap too. Play to win or go away.

Winning in NY is the ultimate from everything I've heard and read from athletes that have won in multiple places. I'm sure it's also awesome for the Red Sox and Boston, but they still hate Boggs, Damon, and now even Ellsbury. Wade and Johnny would get the star treatment anywhere in and around NYC. NY has long memory for its champions. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to be a part of that.

SlimChin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

SlimChin wrote:they'll win it all?!? this sounds like a statement from someone whose watched 1 rocket game. it won't work IMO because Harden like Melo needs the ball in his hands. Harden's a terrible defender and Melo's marginally better on D. and as talented as Dwight is, he's mentally weak. Harden can change his game and mature as a player since he's only 24 but that might take some time that melo doesn't have.

rockets don't need another ball hog, they need a facilitator like Rondo.

also they need to fire coach Mchale. he's not the brightest coach.

Rondo is not a fit. They need they guards to be able to hit the 3.

Dragic and/or Lowry would have been perfect. Morey screwed up big time on them.

no they don't they have Parsons whose a decent 3pt shooter as well as other chuckers like Garcia

Not sure what you are saying

SlimChin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

SlimChin wrote:they'll win it all?!? this sounds like a statement from someone whose watched 1 rocket game. it won't work IMO because Harden like Melo needs the ball in his hands. Harden's a terrible defender and Melo's marginally better on D. and as talented as Dwight is, he's mentally weak. Harden can change his game and mature as a player since he's only 24 but that might take some time that melo doesn't have.

rockets don't need another ball hog, they need a facilitator like Rondo.

also they need to fire coach Mchale. he's not the brightest coach.

Rondo is not a fit. They need they guards to be able to hit the 3.

Dragic and/or Lowry would have been perfect. Morey screwed up big time on them.

no they don't they have Parsons whose a decent 3pt shooter as well as other chuckers like Garcia

Not sure what you are saying

they don't need a guard that's able to hit 3s because...
Parsons can hit the 3. Harden can hit the 3. they have guys coming off the bench that hit 3s.

Houstons style is short range 2's and 3's. No long 2's.

They also spread the floor aka mda style. I don't think that a severely challenge shooter like rondo fits.

Unless, they change their offense to a Rondo Howard PnR dominent game and have the other 3 spread .... don't know, don't think this would be Moreys MO