holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:the biggest issue was the leadership vacuum and when there is a leadership vacuum you have underachievement and worse, implosion. the knicks franchise had no leadership. melo is no leader. woodson is no leader. mills and houston are no leaders. dolan is no leader.

hence implosion. a collective like a ball club needs health and order coming from the top down or from the bottom up. last year the health and order was from the bottom up and represented in the person of jason kidd. that leadership has now been verified by the success he has had as a coach of a very synergistic brooklyn team, who we should be proud to have represent the city in the playoffs. my hat's off to them. they are a very good team.

Is this a joke??..Synergy in Brooklyn??? they underachieved this year as well..Projection had them as a top seed in the east..Experts said they would challenge the Heat...They are 43-36 and you are laying all sort if praise on them..You were killing a 54 win team last season...

the brooklyn team is better suited to playoff basketball than the knicks were last year. they just needed time to gel and work out their health issues. i believe i read that they have the best record in the nba since january 1st or something to that effect. their vets are rested and ready for a playoff push. the wheels fell off the knick bus by the time the playoffs came around last because they were chasing wins while exhausting their old timers, especially kidd. he gave everything he had-- don't you remember articles written about him covered in ice and unable to move for a day after playing so many minutes in so many games? the knicks were not winning the right way for a majority of the regular season-- woodson should have sacrificed wins for the sake of honing a deep squad and benching players who did not give their all on defense.

if kidd had played his seasoned vets too many minutes the nets might have won a couple more regular-season games but would have been exhausted. popovich does his share of sandbagging during the regular season and he has an extremely deep squad as a result. holzman played all twelve guys as a matter of policy.

the nets have not underachieved, they have been guided beautifully after a rocky start.

I'll remember this post...

you do that. have it ready the minute the nets are destroyed in either the first or second round since that is what you hope and expect will happen.

but here's a question: why do you expect it to happen?

Well it depends on match ups..Toronto will give them a hard time but Toronto depends on the jumper too much ...Nets should be able to grind it out given the vet players...Nets are old but slow...

the nets are going to be a formidable first round opponent for toronto. livingston is a decent defender with length. derozan is a very good player but will be driven into inefficiency which usually spells beaucoup trouble. haven't seen lowery play but his usage to assist ratio shows a kind of tweenerish level of orchestrating which derozan does not seem capable of covering according to the numbers.

chicago is also not going to want to deal with brooklyn. obviously noah and gibson are great players but the nets are deep and have a ton of firepower.

i think the 345 seeds are closely matched this year and if brooklyn makes it to the second round lets not lose sight of the fact that the nets managed to sweep the heat this season in four very close contests, and the pacers have been staggering a bit.

brooklyn should make things very interesting in the playoffs.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:the biggest issue was the leadership vacuum and when there is a leadership vacuum you have underachievement and worse, implosion. the knicks franchise had no leadership. melo is no leader. woodson is no leader. mills and houston are no leaders. dolan is no leader.

hence implosion. a collective like a ball club needs health and order coming from the top down or from the bottom up. last year the health and order was from the bottom up and represented in the person of jason kidd. that leadership has now been verified by the success he has had as a coach of a very synergistic brooklyn team, who we should be proud to have represent the city in the playoffs. my hat's off to them. they are a very good team.

If Kidd coached this sorry squad he would have been fired already.

Displaced blame, cmon.

2 words - guard play.

The only reason why Woodson is still here is because of his CAA affiliation....but what dk is saying for the most part is correct.

The team has no on court direction and leadership which they had quite a bit of last season in Kidd Sheed and Kurt especially.

Their lack of direction and leadership comes from having the worst PG in the league not because of Melo. He (melo) is certainly not a great leader but lets not misplace blame here. Melo played his azz off this year and we are blaming him? Its just off base.

Felton was bad last year as well and the team won 54 games...even played worse when he was injured....so thats not the reason.

This team clearly lacks direction on the court, the difference between last year and this one.

The players said it, so has the coach.....they've all admitted it's not the same team and they miss the old heads.

I am not arguing this.

The team last year certainly had more leadership and Kidd was a big part of it.

I have said many times that Melo needed Billups to be successful. The knicks did not have any of that this year.

For me it isnt really about Melo, usually he does what he does anyway.....it's the other guys that need the help

But I really can't pin point something that was present last year as well...guard play was terrible then too.

Kidd was present. He was a leader, especially when he was hitting shots.

But even Kidd wasnt able to do anything about that 40 game stretch of .500 ball starting when Felton went down to injury

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:the biggest issue was the leadership vacuum and when there is a leadership vacuum you have underachievement and worse, implosion. the knicks franchise had no leadership. melo is no leader. woodson is no leader. mills and houston are no leaders. dolan is no leader.

hence implosion. a collective like a ball club needs health and order coming from the top down or from the bottom up. last year the health and order was from the bottom up and represented in the person of jason kidd. that leadership has now been verified by the success he has had as a coach of a very synergistic brooklyn team, who we should be proud to have represent the city in the playoffs. my hat's off to them. they are a very good team.

If Kidd coached this sorry squad he would have been fired already.

Displaced blame, cmon.

2 words - guard play.

The only reason why Woodson is still here is because of his CAA affiliation....but what dk is saying for the most part is correct.

The team has no on court direction and leadership which they had quite a bit of last season in Kidd Sheed and Kurt especially.

Their lack of direction and leadership comes from having the worst PG in the league not because of Melo. He (melo) is certainly not a great leader but lets not misplace blame here. Melo played his azz off this year and we are blaming him? Its just off base.

Felton was bad last year as well and the team won 54 games...even played worse when he was injured....so thats not the reason.

This team clearly lacks direction on the court, the difference between last year and this one.

The players said it, so has the coach.....they've all admitted it's not the same team and they miss the old heads.

I am not arguing this.

The team last year certainly had more leadership and Kidd was a big part of it.

I have said many times that Melo needed Billups to be successful. The knicks did not have any of that this year.

For me it isnt really about Melo, usually he does what he does anyway.....it's the other guys that need the help

But I really can't pin point something that was present last year as well...guard play was terrible then too.

Kidd was present. He was a leader, especially when he was hitting shots.

He was a leader and his brain was key throughout the season even more so than his high three point % to start the season.

But even Kidd wasnt able to do anything about that 40 game stretch of .500 ball starting when Felton went down to injury

How do you feel that the knicks would have done this year with kidd (dallas version) or Billups (Detroit / Denver version)?

I agree - 2nd round this year but there is always that "you never know factor"

Now, you add the Detroit versions of Rip Hamilton and Billups to this team and maybe they win it all

holfresh wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:the biggest issue was the leadership vacuum and when there is a leadership vacuum you have underachievement and worse, implosion. the knicks franchise had no leadership. melo is no leader. woodson is no leader. mills and houston are no leaders. dolan is no leader.

hence implosion. a collective like a ball club needs health and order coming from the top down or from the bottom up. last year the health and order was from the bottom up and represented in the person of jason kidd. that leadership has now been verified by the success he has had as a coach of a very synergistic brooklyn team, who we should be proud to have represent the city in the playoffs. my hat's off to them. they are a very good team.

Is this a joke??..Synergy in Brooklyn??? they underachieved this year as well..Projection had them as a top seed in the east..Experts said they would challenge the Heat...They are 43-36 and you are laying all sort if praise on them..You were killing a 54 win team last season...

the brooklyn team is better suited to playoff basketball than the knicks were last year. they just needed time to gel and work out their health issues. i believe i read that they have the best record in the nba since january 1st or something to that effect. their vets are rested and ready for a playoff push. the wheels fell off the knick bus by the time the playoffs came around last because they were chasing wins while exhausting their old timers, especially kidd. he gave everything he had-- don't you remember articles written about him covered in ice and unable to move for a day after playing so many minutes in so many games? the knicks were not winning the right way for a majority of the regular season-- woodson should have sacrificed wins for the sake of honing a deep squad and benching players who did not give their all on defense.

if kidd had played his seasoned vets too many minutes the nets might have won a couple more regular-season games but would have been exhausted. popovich does his share of sandbagging during the regular season and he has an extremely deep squad as a result. holzman played all twelve guys as a matter of policy.

the nets have not underachieved, they have been guided beautifully after a rocky start.

I'll remember this post...

you do that. have it ready the minute the nets are destroyed in either the first or second round since that is what you hope and expect will happen.

but here's a question: why do you expect it to happen?

Well it depends on match ups..Toronto will give them a hard time but Toronto depends on the jumper too much ...Nets should be able to grind it out given the vet players...Nets are old but slow...

the nets are going to be a formidable first round opponent for toronto. livingston is a decent defender with length. derozan is a very good player but will be driven into inefficiency which usually spells beaucoup trouble. haven't seen lowery play but his usage to assist ratio shows a kind of tweenerish level of orchestrating which derozan does not seem capable of covering according to the numbers.

chicago is also not going to want to deal with brooklyn. obviously noah and gibson are great players but the nets are deep and have a ton of firepower.

i think the 345 seeds are closely matched this year and if brooklyn makes it to the second round lets not lose sight of the fact that the nets managed to sweep the heat this season in four very close contests, and the pacers have been staggering a bit.

brooklyn should make things very interesting in the playoffs.

The Knicks won their series against the Heat last year too..If u want a private side bet, I'll be a willing sucker..

Lets see if u really believe half the shet you spew...

i don't know what this means. do you want to make a bet with me? if so then tell me what the terms are. as i said brooklyn is going to make things very interesting and you seem to think otherwise, perhaps the exact opposite.

melo better not play another minute this season.

knickscity wrote:

anrst wrote:thank god its over

melo better not play another minute this season.

Why is that?

That Melo shouldn't play? Or that its over?

Melo should definitely not play, that would be insane for both him and the knicks.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

anrst wrote:thank god its over

melo better not play another minute this season.

Why is that?

That Melo shouldn't play? Or that its over?

Melo should definitely not play, that would be insane for both him and the knicks.

Playing isnt the issue, still taking a ton of shots with a bum shoulder is.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

anrst wrote:thank god its over

melo better not play another minute this season.

Why is that?

That Melo shouldn't play? Or that its over?

Melo should definitely not play, that would be insane for both him and the knicks.

Still dont see him not playing even if the games are meaningless, although they've been meaningless for much of the season and he still led the league in minutes played.

Playing isnt the issue, still taking a ton of shots with a bum shoulder is.

Now that we're officially eliminated, him having a bum shoulder is all the more reason he shouldn't. He can still hurt it further without shooting much.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

anrst wrote:thank god its over

melo better not play another minute this season.

Why is that?

That Melo shouldn't play? Or that its over?

Melo should definitely not play, that would be insane for both him and the knicks.

Still dont see him not playing even if the games are meaningless, although they've been meaningless for much of the season and he still led the league in minutes played.

Playing isnt the issue, still taking a ton of shots with a bum shoulder is.

What if he hurts his knee today? Or he get a worse shoulder injury? He stands to lose gazillions and his trade value tanks.

Maybe that is good for us so we can sign him for cheap

I want to see yoots and only yoots.

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The way many teams in the east are playing right now we might've had our chances. We kind of blew it. Lost year.

Papabear Says

Well we blew it but the ass holes like Brooklyn and the Heat didnt even put up a fight against Atlanta..

did you watch the games? the heat played hard tonight... wade came out on fire...Atlanta took care of business.. stop expecting other teams to do the knicks dirty work!!!

Papabear Says

I know that you are celebrating now. I did not expect for the Heat or Nets to do our dirty work. The Knicks will be back with Melo I know you can't stand that. I'm a little concerned that no team will do fair business with us so we must understand that and look over seas and other places to find a diamond in the rough. It would nice to see the Pacers go in the first round.

Nyk will be fine with Jackson doing business with other teams, he never been prez before but is highly respected more than hated.
Word on street via Glen Frey musician /nba fan is Frey says Jackson is intrigued with challenge of the job. Believe that A.Hahn says Phil J wants role players skilled whom is sitting on benches of other NBA teams.

Regarding Pacers they better get wins and get right last NBA games they play or they in trouble, I dont see any team fixing its woes in NBA playoffs as if to turn on switch and beat people.

So Indy can be bouncēd