His "Flunkies" had a window and their management/ownership did not provide the faith or roster to impliment.

Rambis failed to convert Jonny flynn who was a rookie trying to learn to play point in the NBA.

Dolan has 60 million reasons to be patient with Phil.

HOlFRESH is the first to hate on Phil! Congrat's! Someone had to take the leadership!

Hey its cool, I'd give it more than 2 weeks on the job though.

Nalod wrote:Phil had a small window to prove himself and he did.

His "Flunkies" had a window and their management/ownership did not provide the faith or roster to impliment.

Rambis failed to convert Jonny flynn who was a rookie trying to learn to play point in the NBA.
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Dolan has 60 million reasons to be patient with Phil.

HOlFRESH is the first to hate on Phil! Congrat's! Someone had to take the leadership!

Hey its cool, I'd give it more than 2 weeks on the job though.

Ha...The first to hate on Phil??..Phil shouldn't questioned around here huh even if Tyronn Lue or Kerr marches in here with no experience...I hope this isn't an ego trip for Phil...As for his flunkies, not everyone can get all time generational players to run the triangle..

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Phil had a small window to prove himself and he did.

His "Flunkies" had a window and their management/ownership did not provide the faith or roster to impliment.

Rambis failed to convert Jonny flynn who was a rookie trying to learn to play point in the NBA.
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Dolan has 60 million reasons to be patient with Phil.

HOlFRESH is the first to hate on Phil! Congrat's! Someone had to take the leadership!

Hey its cool, I'd give it more than 2 weeks on the job though.

Ha...The first to hate on Phil??..Phil shouldn't questioned around here huh even if Tyronn Lue or Kerr marches in here with no experience...I hope this isn't an ego trip for Phil...As for his flunkies, not everyone can get all time generational players to run the triangle..

It worked in Chicago because he had full support of Krause and Reinsdorph. Then Jordan had to by into it. If he rejected it, Jax would have been toast? As Melo rejected MDA in his contract year, he was toast. Of course there are many other variables but my point is its a players league.

Phil brings a 60 mil contract now and a drawer full of rings with a full of pulp juice card!

Will it work? Dunno. You are the first to go somber on this basket full of faith. I guess you have to protect your emotions.

Ego trip? I think after the first three rings in chicago that trip has long left the station. Phil has a huge ego and Dolan gave him 60 million and concessions for travel. My take is Phil is going to build it with his system and his coach's will run it.

There will be bumps, and you can be "Debbie Doubter" but if this is really going to happen and we to really contend there has to be not conviction from fans but conviction of a system from the top all down to the bottom. By that, everyone has to buy in.

There will be bad nights. My take in Minny was Glen Taylor wanted that Laker goodness and hired Rambis but he did not have the players to do it nor the support of Kahn. Doomed to fail.

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Phil had a small window to prove himself and he did.

His "Flunkies" had a window and their management/ownership did not provide the faith or roster to impliment.

Rambis failed to convert Jonny flynn who was a rookie trying to learn to play point in the NBA.
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Dolan has 60 million reasons to be patient with Phil.

HOlFRESH is the first to hate on Phil! Congrat's! Someone had to take the leadership!

Hey its cool, I'd give it more than 2 weeks on the job though.

Ha...The first to hate on Phil??..Phil shouldn't questioned around here huh even if Tyronn Lue or Kerr marches in here with no experience...I hope this isn't an ego trip for Phil...As for his flunkies, not everyone can get all time generational players to run the triangle..

It worked in Chicago because he had full support of Krause and Reinsdorph. Then Jordan had to by into it. If he rejected it, Jax would have been toast? As Melo rejected MDA in his contract year, he was toast. Of course there are many other variables but my point is its a players league.

Phil brings a 60 mil contract now and a drawer full of rings with a full of pulp juice card!

Will it work? Dunno. You are the first to go somber on this basket full of faith. I guess you have to protect your emotions.

Ego trip? I think after the first three rings in chicago that trip has long left the station. Phil has a huge ego and Dolan gave him 60 million and concessions for travel. My take is Phil is going to build it with his system and his coach's will run it.

There will be bumps, and you can be "Debbie Doubter" but if this is really going to happen and we to really contend there has to be not conviction from fans but conviction of a system from the top all down to the bottom. By that, everyone has to buy in.

There will be bad nights. My take in Minny was Glen Taylor wanted that Laker goodness and hired Rambis but he did not have the players to do it nor the support of Kahn. Doomed to fail.

Am I jumping the gun a bit, yeah...U can't tell me Tyronn Lue and Steve Kerr inspires confidence or that Phil seems a little too concerned how his system and how his assistants were received by the NBA...I'm no expert but I have a lot more confidence in Phil and his ability to communicate and lead than in his system...Phil was a great coach but I hope he isn't trying to do it from the GM box, putting in place someone he can "control"..I was happy when LB first got here but he lost me with his ego trip and antics...I'm just hoping this isn't Phil doing a LB 2.0...So yeah, I've gone some what somber but still in Phil's corner..After all, what can be worse than what we saw last night...

Every great coach had to start from somewhere. I'm not sure why you choose to hold Steve Kerr's lack of coaching experience and Tyronn Lue's lack of profile against them, especially if the greatest coach of all-time can vouch for them.

gunsnewing wrote:I think he will only be happy with Isiah as coach and GM again

U got me figured out..

holfresh wrote:I'm not calling for Phil to bring in Pop or Doc but there are lots of guys building solid resumes still alive in the tournament..Dude at Iowa St. is building a resume, Dude at G'Town resurrected that program with a student body of 7k..Hollins seems to be good..Ainge found a good college guy who had experience dealing with personalities...The point is the spectrum is broad between a Starphuck coach and guys with zero experience...

I am okay with a college guy - NO TO HOLLINS and his old school ways of (not) thinking.

I guess it all comes down to the triangle. If he really wants to run it and really believes in it then he needs a triangle guy.

The problem is that with this team it won't be no damn triangle, it will be a SQUARE!

I sure hope he finds a way to get rid of felton (don't know how he could though). Would love to see if he can work with the super talents of JR.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'm not calling for Phil to bring in Pop or Doc but there are lots of guys building solid resumes still alive in the tournament..Dude at Iowa St. is building a resume, Dude at G'Town resurrected that program with a student body of 7k..Hollins seems to be good..Ainge found a good college guy who had experience dealing with personalities...The point is the spectrum is broad between a Starphuck coach and guys with zero experience...

I am okay with a college guy - NO TO HOLLINS and his old school ways of (not) thinking.

I guess it all comes down to the triangle. If he really wants to run it and really believes in it then he needs a triangle guy.

The problem is that with this team it won't be no damn triangle, it will be a SQUARE!

I sure hope he finds a way to get rid of felton (don't know how he could though). Would love to see if he can work with the super talents of JR.

Old school coaches got the bling, no?

What do you mean?

Hollins is an anti stats / analytics coach. Memphis brought in Hollinger, not good for Hollins.

Most organizations now including the knicks are concentrating much more on advanced metrics.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'm not calling for Phil to bring in Pop or Doc but there are lots of guys building solid resumes still alive in the tournament..Dude at Iowa St. is building a resume, Dude at G'Town resurrected that program with a student body of 7k..Hollins seems to be good..Ainge found a good college guy who had experience dealing with personalities...The point is the spectrum is broad between a Starphuck coach and guys with zero experience...

I am okay with a college guy - NO TO HOLLINS and his old school ways of (not) thinking.

I guess it all comes down to the triangle. If he really wants to run it and really believes in it then he needs a triangle guy.

The problem is that with this team it won't be no damn triangle, it will be a SQUARE!

I sure hope he finds a way to get rid of felton (don't know how he could though). Would love to see if he can work with the super talents of JR.

Old school coaches got the bling, no?

What do you mean?

Hollins is an anti stats / analytics coach. Memphis brought in Hollinger, not good for Hollins.

Most organizations now including the knicks are concentrating much more on advanced metrics.

These guys look crisp as they are young and bright but were is the zen? Once upon a time Krause made the decison to hire the Phil who had to have been seen as some weird ass dude whose resume was as a gangly role player off the bench who was an assistant coach for the nets and could not get a NBA head job and went to the Albany Patroons to coach. Then to hand him an up and coming team? Not exactly the path one would expect the most successful coach in history to take!

Larry's problem was he was intoxicated with power given his contract and had big pressure to win now with a dysfunctional roster. He was a mess, Isiah was a mess and dolan was a mess.

I fully expect Phil to hire someone he sees as an extension of himself and not just control, but mentor both the ball movement schematic and philosophically. Will he let his players sort things out in a time out like he used to let his players do? Will he be sticking around in practice from time to time? Mentor players one on one?

holfresh wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I think he will only be happy with Isiah as coach and GM again

Pretty much. Dude is already hating on the Phil hiring because of media speculation on who the head coach might be. He was giving Isiah the benefit of the doubt every second of the way while he burned the franchise to the ground.

Unreal

You last four post included two about me not directly speaking to me...That's unreal...Again, be a man!!!..And am I really hating on Phil hiring, If the nuances of posting and engaging in conversation escapes you, please exclude me as your topic of choice...

Lol @ you looking up my last 4 posts.

Not sure what the bolded be a man comment means. I am as manly as a lumberjack lol.

This isn't the "nuances of posting and engaging in conversation", it's your negativity about one of the few truly good things to happen to the franchise since our finals appearance in 1999. Dude is on the job about a week and you have a negative take on him because of who the media says he might hire.

I battled it out with you during those Isiah years while you were defending every move he made, every nail in our coffin was fine with you then. No negativity, no nuances of posting and engaging in conversation. You had your Isiah Pom poms out the whole time.

To see you with a negative take on Phil a week into his tenure is a joke with your track record.

I said my peace. I'll go back to ignoring your posts again.

Make it 3 out the last 5 posts, I'll save you the trouble of looking at my posting history again.