tkf wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:knickscity wrote:NardDogNation wrote:knickscity wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:nyk4ever wrote:never thought mark jackson should have went into coaching straight from the booth without earning his stripes as an assistant. he might know the game of basketball, but it's evident he doesn't know how to run a team.
Being 19 games over .500 is indicative of not "know(ing) how to run a team"? If that's the case, 75% of the league's coaches are bums.
He has a talented team oriented squad.
Curious to see how good he would be with our mess. After a month we would be calling for his head.
Doc Rivers would like to have a word with you.You dont judge a coach by what they do with the worst scenario...you judge them by having a good scenario.
In a good scenario even Woodson has been successful with the expectations of the teams he's coached.
Define "successful" because the Hawks had been the same team with and without. The only coach that might have worse/fewer offensive schemes than him might be Mike Brown, who may be the worst coach in the league now that Vinny Del Negro isn't among the ranks.
Of course they were the same, all they have had was Woody and then his assistant he coached the exact same way.The hawks were at best a 2nd round team, thats where they wound up....success.
A "successful" coach to me is one that gets his team to overachieve. Being a 2nd round team and getting to the 2nd round does not qualify as success IMHO.
which coach is/has over achieved. Pretty much all successful coaches have the best players.
Coaches can over achieve by pushing their players extremely hard defensively like JVG and Thibs but unfortunately, that style is no longer sustainable with player : coach salary ratio's. That is why you need a gigantic alpha male running the show like Jackson.
Phil Jackson if he is coach, president or GM will not allow JR and Melo to jack up any contested shot they want. I don't think Melo will be here next year but if he stays, there will be rules that he will have to adhere to. Woody has no power or stature to enforce rules. If he told Melo that he should not shoot in certain situations Melo would say go phuck yourself. He is not saying that to Phil Jackson.
Jackson needs to get us the right players/team. I have more hope that he can do that than anybody else.
That's the thing, I don't define successful coaches by how far above .500 they are because a lot of that has everything to do with the talent (see Mike Brown with LeBron James). Successful coaching to me is a guy that figures out how to maximize his talent in spite of the odds. Greg Popovich is obviously a successful coach; he's turned a late first round pick (Tony Parker) and the last pick of his draft (Manu Ginobli) into all-star caliber players. But there are others who don't have many accolades that are successful coaches. Someone like a Mike Budenholzer is a successful coach: the Hawks have less talent than we do, have been missing their best player and still are competitive. Same deal with Brett Brown and a Jeff Hornacek. You put Mike Woodson in any of those situations and I guarantee he can't duplicate what they do.
well if you are going to hold msot up to Pops standards they will fall short... as far as manu and parker, they were taken late because of reasons other than their talent being question.. I am sure being under the coaching of pop it has helped them, but both guys have proven to be special individuals and basketball talent nonetheless...
It works hand in hand... Was it Dantoni that made nash a good player or did nash make dantoni a good coach... both helped each other... Woodson is an average coach at best and I am being generous here. but it would help if he had the quality players that some of these other coaches have had.... He hasn't....
BTW, look at Pops players and how efficient they all are / have to be. How come you wont find any low efficient players on a greg popovich team? Check out their TS's. He must care about this and stress it. He also picks up players using advanced metrics to gauge their potential successes.
Just to show you the tail of two teams (management). They get Belinelli (one of the most efficient players in the league) for 2.7 million and we get Barg-fukin-nani!! for 12 million a number 1 and 2 number 2's. You can't make this sh1t up.
Maybe we meant to get Belinelli but someone on the msg data warehouse team messed up the data entry for Bargnani. That would actually explain it / make sense out of it. Honest mistake - both white foreigners with close sounding names.
Its not just Pops, its the philosophy. Its advanced metrics. Its math, its brains and good judgement. They know what are good shots and bad shots and the players know what they can and cannot/should not do. I wonder if Woodson ever went to 82games.com and studied the freakin shot charts.
Cuban says that all teams will need to copy each other for the math edge or else they will be left behind. We were left behind.
Phil Jackson (and I could care less who he brings in as coach) will change the team philosophy and hopefully the fans philosophy as well so that they better understand what are the important metrics and factors to winning.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
