Nalod wrote:I see Melo to Lakers, but then they don'g get Love. Would they contend next season? Say Gasol comes back do they really contend in the west with

Nash-Melo-Kobe-Gasol? Injuries happen and things would have to be perfect for them to be that.

Melo-Noah-Rose? Is rose healthy? Melo play defense like Thibs wants?

Melo to Rockets? Has to be a trade, it depletes their bench but a very strong starting unit! This is the best case for Melo. But does he want to live in Houstan.

Melo to CLippers. They have to do a trade. They have Griffith. would not surprise me this is a deal already in place but Clippers don't want a mid season change. Would not surprise me at all.

Does winning really matter to some of these guys? My other take is Melo does this for brand exposure. YOu can't buy this kind of name recognition and every city he goes to he is asked this. we are talking about it, its on radio, espn nationally, etc. Melo enhances is exposure and brand. My take is there is a trade in place or he resigns here and if so it makes him LOOK GOOD!

But I could be wrong. IN time Dwight will repair his reputation as did Lebron. Kobe is a tour de-force marketer and he was plastered in the news as a rapist and a public divorce. Now he is golden.

I have covered it. Odds are we get a favorable result but if he leaves us with nothing lets also be real, nobody outside of knick fans loves the knicks so big money NY teams gets screwed over by Melo also enhances his brand.

Round and round and maybe I covered all the bases here? What am I missing?

Maybe as UK devotes you should be asking yourself what can you do to help?

If you think you can, your on another planet!

You're probably right. You got to wonder what prompted Dolan to tuck his tail in between his legs and beg Phil Jackson to come here. I personally think it is one last ditch effort to save face.

Melo needs to look deep into his heart. We gave up everything to get him, I know that this talent was not that great that we gave up but the picks and left with a skeleton team. Atlanta is now in overtime.

CashMoney wrote:Melo leaving wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. We have no cap space going into next season and we aren't winning much with Melo. Melo leaves, we suck for an entire year, get a top 5 draft pick and have all the cap space in the world for Phil to build the team that he wants. I would rather have Melo but if he winds up leaving I wouldn't shed a tear.

How good is the 2015 draft projected to be?

NardDogNation wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:If any of this is true, then Carmelo can go **** himself. Yeah, the Knicks consistently made stupid mistakes after trading for him (e.g. waiving Corey Brewer whose contract/game could've allowed us to not amnesty Chauncey Billups and still get Tyson Chandler; not getting a single asset for Jeremy Lin; giving up draft picks for Raymond Felton and Andrea Bargnani; trading draft picks along with Ronny Turiaf; signing Steve Novak to his ridiculous contract; NEVER purchasing a 1st round pick, etc.). Even so, we would not have been in as bad a predicament as we're in if he had not been such a money-hungry **** and simply waited a few weeks to sign with us during the 2011 offseason. Had he done that, Chris Paul would likely have been a Knick and we would've been contenders in spite of the nonsense that has gone on these past 3 years.

This line of reasoning is flawed. You expect players to take less because you're a Knicks fan. Melo seeking a max deal was his right. Dolan made the deal happen. Melo was not sitting in Ujiri's seat.

I'm not suggesting that it isn't a players right to take as much money as they can. I just think it's hypocritical to then point/wag his finger at the front office for not properly surrounding him with talent. Had he gone about the situation the way LeBron James and company did, he wouldn't want to be jumping ship. He needs to own his fair share of the **** storm that currently is the Knicks.

Has Melo actually pointed or wagged his finger at the front office? I think he is most disappointed that Amare's body didn't hold up than anything the front office did or didn't do.

And I disagree... Melo doesn't own a share in what the front office did to get him here. That is tantamount to saying Melo made the deal with Dolan to purposefully remove talent from the roster he was joining. If this line of reasoning were to be accepted that would mean Melo was sabotaging himself and I don't believe a player would do that.

It was Ujiri, not Melo, who architected the terms of the deal, Dolan blinked instead of holding his ground. He didn't want to risk Melo getting traded to the Nets IMO.

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:I see Melo to Lakers, but then they don'g get Love. Would they contend next season? Say Gasol comes back do they really contend in the west with

Nash-Melo-Kobe-Gasol? Injuries happen and things would have to be perfect for them to be that.

Melo-Noah-Rose? Is rose healthy? Melo play defense like Thibs wants?

Melo to Rockets? Has to be a trade, it depletes their bench but a very strong starting unit! This is the best case for Melo. But does he want to live in Houstan.

Melo to CLippers. They have to do a trade. They have Griffith. would not surprise me this is a deal already in place but Clippers don't want a mid season change. Would not surprise me at all.

Does winning really matter to some of these guys? My other take is Melo does this for brand exposure. YOu can't buy this kind of name recognition and every city he goes to he is asked this. we are talking about it, its on radio, espn nationally, etc. Melo enhances is exposure and brand. My take is there is a trade in place or he resigns here and if so it makes him LOOK GOOD!

But I could be wrong. IN time Dwight will repair his reputation as did Lebron. Kobe is a tour de-force marketer and he was plastered in the news as a rapist and a public divorce. Now he is golden.

I have covered it. Odds are we get a favorable result but if he leaves us with nothing lets also be real, nobody outside of knick fans loves the knicks so big money NY teams gets screwed over by Melo also enhances his brand.

Round and round and maybe I covered all the bases here? What am I missing?

Maybe as UK devotes you should be asking yourself what can you do to help?

If you think you can, your on another planet!

You're probably right. You got to wonder what prompted Dolan to tuck his tail in between his legs and beg Phil Jackson to come here. I personally think it is one last ditch effort to save face.

What prompted a change?

1. Nets
2. McKinsey evaluation likely told the truth: "dude your suck".
3. Mills is the money guy. Warkentein is a CAA guy.
4. Wins and losses tells the tale.
5. Prize trade object of emotion telling you he wants to date others at the end of season.

All leads to trip to mirror and reality check. If Melo leaves Dolan looks stupid. Phil issued a challange to Melo today and Melo has said he is open to looking at his game. Granted, we can't go on what is said to the public. For all we know, he wants to play in LA for family reasons. They all say "Winning". We don't know how genuine they really are.

Phil tutored Jordan and Kobe into winners. Thats his resume. He is not the coach, but he'll be a mentor.

The thing is that Dolan works at glacial speed, so I don't think those factors had as big of an impact given how "recent" they are. Even with the Nets, they only became relevant (better than us) in January and are still projected as first round fodder, which leads me to believe that he doesn't give as much of a **** as one would think. It's why I think that Melo planning to leave is what prompted all of this in the first place. At best though, this is just speculation on my part so I can't say one way or the other why the Jackson hiring happened.

Sambakick wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:If any of this is true, then Carmelo can go **** himself. Yeah, the Knicks consistently made stupid mistakes after trading for him (e.g. waiving Corey Brewer whose contract/game could've allowed us to not amnesty Chauncey Billups and still get Tyson Chandler; not getting a single asset for Jeremy Lin; giving up draft picks for Raymond Felton and Andrea Bargnani; trading draft picks along with Ronny Turiaf; signing Steve Novak to his ridiculous contract; NEVER purchasing a 1st round pick, etc.). Even so, we would not have been in as bad a predicament as we're in if he had not been such a money-hungry **** and simply waited a few weeks to sign with us during the 2011 offseason. Had he done that, Chris Paul would likely have been a Knick and we would've been contenders in spite of the nonsense that has gone on these past 3 years.

This line of reasoning is flawed. You expect players to take less because you're a Knicks fan. Melo seeking a max deal was his right. Dolan made the deal happen. Melo was not sitting in Ujiri's seat.

I'm not suggesting that it isn't a players right to take as much money as they can. I just think it's hypocritical to then point/wag his finger at the front office for not properly surrounding him with talent. Had he gone about the situation the way LeBron James and company did, he wouldn't want to be jumping ship. He needs to own his fair share of the **** storm that currently is the Knicks.

Has Melo actually pointed or wagged his finger at the front office? I think he is most disappointed that Amare's body didn't hold up than anything the front office did or didn't do.

And I disagree... Melo doesn't own a share in what the front office did to get him here. That is tantamount to saying Melo made the deal with Dolan to purposefully remove talent from the roster he was joining. If this line of reasoning were to be accepted that would mean Melo was sabotaging himself and I don't believe a player would do that.

It was Ujiri, not Melo, who architected the terms of the deal, Dolan blinked instead of holding his ground. He didn't want to risk Melo getting traded to the Nets IMO.

Well, yeah. Him wanting to leave is a clear indictment of the front office (if all of this is true).

I also disagree with your notion that Melo has no responsibility in any of this, if the reports by multiple media outlets are correct. As the story goes, he DEMANDED to be traded (in order to get his max money before the new CBA) or else he'd go to the Nets. That in effect forced us to surrender valued assets in the deal or risk ever getting him. So in a way, he did "sabotage" himself by not seeing a bigger picture the way a LeBron or Chris Bosh did. As I said before, had he signed with us outright, we could've used the exact same package we gave up for him on Chris Paul. If that happened, he wouldn't want to leave and we wouldn't be having this conversation. This isn't to say that the blame is squarely on his shoulders because its not. But at the same time, I think its unfair to absolve Melo of his fair share of the blame. He knew CP3 wanted to come here and he burned the only bridge we had to get him and instead put his faith in the brittle knees of Amar'e.

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If we don't make the playoffs Melo may go to Chi town or maybe he might stay here. Right now it looks like Atlanta will win again and they have 3 min left to play in the game.

How does he play for Thibs and his requirement for all his players to play hard consistently on both ends of the court ?

Nets basically had Melo in thier pocket until Knicks had to up the ante to get him. The evidence of Dolan getting involved pretty much indicts him as reactionary. Melo trade changed the direction of the franchise. We don't know what Donnie had as his end game signiture move but Dolan move to get Melo changed everything. Donnie gone and Grunwald the lackey to him. To me with Donnie in a wheel chair Dolan panic's and steps in which lebron is on record as saying was a bizzaro meeting.

I can't ever believe Amare was Donnies idea. Thats just me.