holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:amare is not a triangle player

I guess with all your yr's of coaching/playing in the triangle, you would know best.

IMHO, Amare is a system player, and will fit well in most sytems that don't require 80% Iso's

he does not move great without the ball-- his legs are not in great shape for that-- and he is not a good passer. he does have great hands and can catch passes in traffic. so physically and mentally he may not have what it takes.

defensively he is a liability.

Amare has great hands? I find that he has awful hands and fumbleitis

with steve nash my statement stands. with raymond felton my statement is false. since nobody in a knick uniform is a truly great passer, pocket or otherwise, amare will not fit into the triangle.

I see amare getting the ball below his knees, the spacing is horrible at times, and some of the passes are bailouts..He doesn't fumble the ball in the high post, he only fumbles in the low post and a half ass Pnr

that was not the case with nash feeding him those cookies. just goes to show how much stoudemire needed a great QB and how far short felton is of that standard. yet we brought him here not once but twice-- at the expense of a better passer than himself in lin. just imagine if we had not acquired melo in a trade and had been able to acquire chris paul instead.

but it's all good. it's a great day for knicks fans. dolan has repeated several times today that he will have zero control over basketball decisions and that it is phil's team.

and phil underscored that in no manner way shape or form would he have agreed to come here without that prerequisite.

What are you talking about??.Amare has been healthy for exactly half a season in a Knick uniform, at which time he was playing like the league MVP with Felton's help...Yeah Imagine if we had traded for Chris Paul and he had to carry this team with his bad knees...Imagine that...

"felton's help"? that's not what i saw. i saw a guy playing with a so-called point guard who couldn't orchestrate to save his life, a guy who decided to force the issue by going one on three because he didn't know how to pass the ball.

are you sure you understand what a team game looks like?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:amare is not a triangle player

I guess with all your yr's of coaching/playing in the triangle, you would know best.

IMHO, Amare is a system player, and will fit well in most sytems that don't require 80% Iso's

he does not move great without the ball-- his legs are not in great shape for that-- and he is not a good passer. he does have great hands and can catch passes in traffic. so physically and mentally he may not have what it takes.

defensively he is a liability.

Amare has great hands? I find that he has awful hands and fumbleitis

with steve nash my statement stands. with raymond felton my statement is false. since nobody in a knick uniform is a truly great passer, pocket or otherwise, amare will not fit into the triangle.

I see amare getting the ball below his knees, the spacing is horrible at times, and some of the passes are bailouts..He doesn't fumble the ball in the high post, he only fumbles in the low post and a half ass Pnr

that was not the case with nash feeding him those cookies. just goes to show how much stoudemire needed a great QB and how far short felton is of that standard. yet we brought him here not once but twice-- at the expense of a better passer than himself in lin. just imagine if we had not acquired melo in a trade and had been able to acquire chris paul instead.

but it's all good. it's a great day for knicks fans. dolan has repeated several times today that he will have zero control over basketball decisions and that it is phil's team.

and phil underscored that in no manner way shape or form would he have agreed to come here without that prerequisite.

What are you talking about??.Amare has been healthy for exactly half a season in a Knick uniform, at which time he was playing like the league MVP with Felton's help...Yeah Imagine if we had traded for Chris Paul and he had to carry this team with his bad knees...Imagine that...

"felton's help"? that's not what i saw. i saw a guy playing with a so-called point guard who couldn't orchestrate to save his life, a guy who decided to force the issue by going one on three because he didn't know how to pass the ball.

are you sure you understand what a team game looks like?

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:amare is not a triangle player

I guess with all your yr's of coaching/playing in the triangle, you would know best.

IMHO, Amare is a system player, and will fit well in most sytems that don't require 80% Iso's

he does not move great without the ball-- his legs are not in great shape for that-- and he is not a good passer. he does have great hands and can catch passes in traffic. so physically and mentally he may not have what it takes.

defensively he is a liability.

Amare has great hands? I find that he has awful hands and fumbleitis

with steve nash my statement stands. with raymond felton my statement is false. since nobody in a knick uniform is a truly great passer, pocket or otherwise, amare will not fit into the triangle.

I see amare getting the ball below his knees, the spacing is horrible at times, and some of the passes are bailouts..He doesn't fumble the ball in the high post, he only fumbles in the low post and a half ass Pnr

that was not the case with nash feeding him those cookies. just goes to show how much stoudemire needed a great QB and how far short felton is of that standard. yet we brought him here not once but twice-- at the expense of a better passer than himself in lin. just imagine if we had not acquired melo in a trade and had been able to acquire chris paul instead.

but it's all good. it's a great day for knicks fans. dolan has repeated several times today that he will have zero control over basketball decisions and that it is phil's team.

and phil underscored that in no manner way shape or form would he have agreed to come here without that prerequisite.

What are you talking about??.Amare has been healthy for exactly half a season in a Knick uniform, at which time he was playing like the league MVP with Felton's help...Yeah Imagine if we had traded for Chris Paul and he had to carry this team with his bad knees...Imagine that...

"felton's help"? that's not what i saw. i saw a guy playing with a so-called point guard who couldn't orchestrate to save his life, a guy who decided to force the issue by going one on three because he didn't know how to pass the ball.

are you sure you understand what a team game looks like?

The issue I always have with you is that u never come across as being honest...You could never admit Amare signing hampered the team..You can't admit at 17pts 9 assist a game Felton was doing a great job...U can't admit Donnie was subpar..You can't admit MDA was subpar despite a horrendous record...All u know is Melo is and will always be bad..I don't understand why people continue these long drawn out discussion with u knowing at the core u are not honest in your views..Can't understand why people get upset at your comments, it comical...

you talk of honesty which assumes you believe you know what honesty is. i am pessimistic that you do holfresh.

i have said from day 1 that if you are going to sign a deeply flawed player then make sure it is as a free agent only.

so if you say walsh made a horrible mistake then i would say that as horrible as it was to sign him, at least it was for a pick and roll finisher who fits in with the coach's system. that has been my position.

now, so far as melo-- deeply flawed also, which means, if i am being consistent, that he should be acquired only as a free agent. that has been my position. but the other element is to make sure that if you do acquire him as a free agent then you should make certain that he is not redundant.

walsh did not bring in melo. dolan did.

melo was redundant with stat already here. and not only that but in a trade which made matters exponentially worse.

i know people like you: "acquire as much talent as possible and force the coach to figure out a way to make things work." that was clearly the isaiah thomas approach, who you clearly must be a fan of.

WRONG

tell me, do you like the jackson hire? because if you do then you respect systems and are against the acquisition of talent for its own sake. it's the ant thomas approach.

tell me, are you happy that dolan has promised to stay away and hand over all basketball decisions to jackson? if you are, then you should have objected to his shoving walsh aside. did you object? and if not then why not?

try to be intellectually honest for once. straight answers, no <crickets>!!

mreinman wrote:DK, if jackson signs Melo to 18-20 million, will you still believe in him?

I hope you won't say that Dolan made him do it.

If he believes that he can make Melo the right player, will you believe that he can?

great questions. i will have to think about that.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:amare is not a triangle player

I guess with all your yr's of coaching/playing in the triangle, you would know best.

IMHO, Amare is a system player, and will fit well in most sytems that don't require 80% Iso's

he does not move great without the ball-- his legs are not in great shape for that-- and he is not a good passer. he does have great hands and can catch passes in traffic. so physically and mentally he may not have what it takes.

defensively he is a liability.

Amare has great hands? I find that he has awful hands and fumbleitis

with steve nash my statement stands. with raymond felton my statement is false. since nobody in a knick uniform is a truly great passer, pocket or otherwise, amare will not fit into the triangle.

I see amare getting the ball below his knees, the spacing is horrible at times, and some of the passes are bailouts..He doesn't fumble the ball in the high post, he only fumbles in the low post and a half ass Pnr

that was not the case with nash feeding him those cookies. just goes to show how much stoudemire needed a great QB and how far short felton is of that standard. yet we brought him here not once but twice-- at the expense of a better passer than himself in lin. just imagine if we had not acquired melo in a trade and had been able to acquire chris paul instead.

but it's all good. it's a great day for knicks fans. dolan has repeated several times today that he will have zero control over basketball decisions and that it is phil's team.

and phil underscored that in no manner way shape or form would he have agreed to come here without that prerequisite.

What are you talking about??.Amare has been healthy for exactly half a season in a Knick uniform, at which time he was playing like the league MVP with Felton's help...Yeah Imagine if we had traded for Chris Paul and he had to carry this team with his bad knees...Imagine that...

"felton's help"? that's not what i saw. i saw a guy playing with a so-called point guard who couldn't orchestrate to save his life, a guy who decided to force the issue by going one on three because he didn't know how to pass the ball.

are you sure you understand what a team game looks like?

The issue I always have with you is that u never come across as being honest...You could never admit Amare signing hampered the team..You can't admit at 17pts 9 assist a game Felton was doing a great job...U can't admit Donnie was subpar..You can't admit MDA was subpar despite a horrendous record...All u know is Melo is and will always be bad..I don't understand why people continue these long drawn out discussion with u knowing at the core u are not honest in your views..Can't understand why people get upset at your comments, it comical...

you talk of honesty which assumes you believe you know what honesty is. i am pessimistic that you do holfresh.

i have said from day 1 that if you are going to sign a deeply flawed player then make sure it is as a free agent only.

so if you say walsh made a horrible mistake then i would say that as horrible as it was to sign him, at least it was for a pick and roll finisher who fits in with the coach's system. that has been my position.

now, so far as melo-- deeply flawed also, which means, if i am being consistent, that he should be acquired only as a free agent. that has been my position. but the other element is to make sure that if you do acquire him as a free agent then you should make certain that he is not redundant.

walsh did not bring in melo. dolan did.

melo was redundant with stat already here. and not only that but in a trade which made matters exponentially worse.

i know people like you: "acquire as much talent as possible and force the coach to figure out a way to make things work." that was clearly the isaiah thomas approach, who you clearly must be a fan of.

WRONG

tell me, do you like the jackson hire? because if you do then you respect systems and are against the acquisition of talent for its own sake. it's the ant thomas approach.

tell me, are you happy that dolan has promised to stay away and hand over all basketball decisions to jackson? if you are, then you should have objected to his shoving walsh aside. did you object? and if not then why not?

try to be intellectually honest for once. straight answers, no <crickets>!!

Walsh was doing a poor job...Maybe you just couldn't see it..Maybe I'm giving you too much credit...Hiring MDA was horrible..Do you still think MDA is a good coach or he can just coach a certain system and style???..Compounding the MDA hire then u give a guy the max for 5 years with bad knees and you wanted to add Chris "bad knees" Paul to that mix, nice....Signing him as a free agent is of no consequence..We couldn't afford Gallo and Tyson if Melo came here as a free agent so your argument is moot...Nor could we resign Wilson...I guess u had Moz in mind at center???...Who do u think we need more, Tyson or Gallo???..It's no coincidence Donnie is now retired...

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:amare is not a triangle player

I guess with all your yr's of coaching/playing in the triangle, you would know best.

IMHO, Amare is a system player, and will fit well in most sytems that don't require 80% Iso's

he does not move great without the ball-- his legs are not in great shape for that-- and he is not a good passer. he does have great hands and can catch passes in traffic. so physically and mentally he may not have what it takes.

defensively he is a liability.

Amare has great hands? I find that he has awful hands and fumbleitis

with steve nash my statement stands. with raymond felton my statement is false. since nobody in a knick uniform is a truly great passer, pocket or otherwise, amare will not fit into the triangle.

I see amare getting the ball below his knees, the spacing is horrible at times, and some of the passes are bailouts..He doesn't fumble the ball in the high post, he only fumbles in the low post and a half ass Pnr

that was not the case with nash feeding him those cookies. just goes to show how much stoudemire needed a great QB and how far short felton is of that standard. yet we brought him here not once but twice-- at the expense of a better passer than himself in lin. just imagine if we had not acquired melo in a trade and had been able to acquire chris paul instead.

but it's all good. it's a great day for knicks fans. dolan has repeated several times today that he will have zero control over basketball decisions and that it is phil's team.

and phil underscored that in no manner way shape or form would he have agreed to come here without that prerequisite.

What are you talking about??.Amare has been healthy for exactly half a season in a Knick uniform, at which time he was playing like the league MVP with Felton's help...Yeah Imagine if we had traded for Chris Paul and he had to carry this team with his bad knees...Imagine that...

"felton's help"? that's not what i saw. i saw a guy playing with a so-called point guard who couldn't orchestrate to save his life, a guy who decided to force the issue by going one on three because he didn't know how to pass the ball.

are you sure you understand what a team game looks like?

The issue I always have with you is that u never come across as being honest...You could never admit Amare signing hampered the team..You can't admit at 17pts 9 assist a game Felton was doing a great job...U can't admit Donnie was subpar..You can't admit MDA was subpar despite a horrendous record...All u know is Melo is and will always be bad..I don't understand why people continue these long drawn out discussion with u knowing at the core u are not honest in your views..Can't understand why people get upset at your comments, it comical...

you talk of honesty which assumes you believe you know what honesty is. i am pessimistic that you do holfresh.

i have said from day 1 that if you are going to sign a deeply flawed player then make sure it is as a free agent only.

so if you say walsh made a horrible mistake then i would say that as horrible as it was to sign him, at least it was for a pick and roll finisher who fits in with the coach's system. that has been my position.

now, so far as melo-- deeply flawed also, which means, if i am being consistent, that he should be acquired only as a free agent. that has been my position. but the other element is to make sure that if you do acquire him as a free agent then you should make certain that he is not redundant.

walsh did not bring in melo. dolan did.

melo was redundant with stat already here. and not only that but in a trade which made matters exponentially worse.

i know people like you: "acquire as much talent as possible and force the coach to figure out a way to make things work." that was clearly the isaiah thomas approach, who you clearly must be a fan of.

WRONG

tell me, do you like the jackson hire? because if you do then you respect systems and are against the acquisition of talent for its own sake. it's the ant thomas approach.

tell me, are you happy that dolan has promised to stay away and hand over all basketball decisions to jackson? if you are, then you should have objected to his shoving walsh aside. did you object? and if not then why not?

try to be intellectually honest for once. straight answers, no <crickets>!!

Walsh was doing a poor job...Maybe you just couldn't see it..Maybe I'm giving you too much credit...Hiring MDA was horrible..Do you still think MDA is a good coach or he can just coach a certain system and style???..Compounding the MDA hire then u give a guy the max for 5 years with bad knees and you wanted to add Chris "bad knees" Paul to that mix, nice....Signing him as a free agent is of no consequence..We couldn't afford Gallo and Tyson if Melo came here as a free agent so your argument is moot...Nor could we resign Wilson...I guess u had Moz in mind at center???...Who do u think we need more, Tyson or Gallo???..It's no coincidence Donnie is now retired...

holfresh, you see, in tkf/dktfk world:

Anything - Melo = Chip

It's a very simple, astute basketball algorithm.
Just make sure to check your math with Bonn before commenting further.

jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:amare is not a triangle player

I guess with all your yr's of coaching/playing in the triangle, you would know best.

IMHO, Amare is a system player, and will fit well in most sytems that don't require 80% Iso's

he does not move great without the ball-- his legs are not in great shape for that-- and he is not a good passer. he does have great hands and can catch passes in traffic. so physically and mentally he may not have what it takes.

defensively he is a liability.

Amare has great hands? I find that he has awful hands and fumbleitis

with steve nash my statement stands. with raymond felton my statement is false. since nobody in a knick uniform is a truly great passer, pocket or otherwise, amare will not fit into the triangle.

I see amare getting the ball below his knees, the spacing is horrible at times, and some of the passes are bailouts..He doesn't fumble the ball in the high post, he only fumbles in the low post and a half ass Pnr

that was not the case with nash feeding him those cookies. just goes to show how much stoudemire needed a great QB and how far short felton is of that standard. yet we brought him here not once but twice-- at the expense of a better passer than himself in lin. just imagine if we had not acquired melo in a trade and had been able to acquire chris paul instead.

but it's all good. it's a great day for knicks fans. dolan has repeated several times today that he will have zero control over basketball decisions and that it is phil's team.

and phil underscored that in no manner way shape or form would he have agreed to come here without that prerequisite.

What are you talking about??.Amare has been healthy for exactly half a season in a Knick uniform, at which time he was playing like the league MVP with Felton's help...Yeah Imagine if we had traded for Chris Paul and he had to carry this team with his bad knees...Imagine that...

"felton's help"? that's not what i saw. i saw a guy playing with a so-called point guard who couldn't orchestrate to save his life, a guy who decided to force the issue by going one on three because he didn't know how to pass the ball.

are you sure you understand what a team game looks like?

The issue I always have with you is that u never come across as being honest...You could never admit Amare signing hampered the team..You can't admit at 17pts 9 assist a game Felton was doing a great job...U can't admit Donnie was subpar..You can't admit MDA was subpar despite a horrendous record...All u know is Melo is and will always be bad..I don't understand why people continue these long drawn out discussion with u knowing at the core u are not honest in your views..Can't understand why people get upset at your comments, it comical...

you talk of honesty which assumes you believe you know what honesty is. i am pessimistic that you do holfresh.

i have said from day 1 that if you are going to sign a deeply flawed player then make sure it is as a free agent only.

so if you say walsh made a horrible mistake then i would say that as horrible as it was to sign him, at least it was for a pick and roll finisher who fits in with the coach's system. that has been my position.

now, so far as melo-- deeply flawed also, which means, if i am being consistent, that he should be acquired only as a free agent. that has been my position. but the other element is to make sure that if you do acquire him as a free agent then you should make certain that he is not redundant.

walsh did not bring in melo. dolan did.

melo was redundant with stat already here. and not only that but in a trade which made matters exponentially worse.

i know people like you: "acquire as much talent as possible and force the coach to figure out a way to make things work." that was clearly the isaiah thomas approach, who you clearly must be a fan of.

WRONG

tell me, do you like the jackson hire? because if you do then you respect systems and are against the acquisition of talent for its own sake. it's the ant thomas approach.

tell me, are you happy that dolan has promised to stay away and hand over all basketball decisions to jackson? if you are, then you should have objected to his shoving walsh aside. did you object? and if not then why not?

try to be intellectually honest for once. straight answers, no <crickets>!!

Walsh was doing a poor job...Maybe you just couldn't see it..Maybe I'm giving you too much credit...Hiring MDA was horrible..Do you still think MDA is a good coach or he can just coach a certain system and style???..Compounding the MDA hire then u give a guy the max for 5 years with bad knees and you wanted to add Chris "bad knees" Paul to that mix, nice....Signing him as a free agent is of no consequence..We couldn't afford Gallo and Tyson if Melo came here as a free agent so your argument is moot...Nor could we resign Wilson...I guess u had Moz in mind at center???...Who do u think we need more, Tyson or Gallo???..It's no coincidence Donnie is now retired...

holfresh, you see, in tkf/dktfk world:

Anything - Melo = Chip

It's a very simple, astute basketball algorithm.
Just make sure to check your math with Bonn before commenting further.

piling on again i see

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:amare is not a triangle player

I guess with all your yr's of coaching/playing in the triangle, you would know best.

IMHO, Amare is a system player, and will fit well in most sytems that don't require 80% Iso's

he does not move great without the ball-- his legs are not in great shape for that-- and he is not a good passer. he does have great hands and can catch passes in traffic. so physically and mentally he may not have what it takes.

defensively he is a liability.

Amare has great hands? I find that he has awful hands and fumbleitis

with steve nash my statement stands. with raymond felton my statement is false. since nobody in a knick uniform is a truly great passer, pocket or otherwise, amare will not fit into the triangle.

I see amare getting the ball below his knees, the spacing is horrible at times, and some of the passes are bailouts..He doesn't fumble the ball in the high post, he only fumbles in the low post and a half ass Pnr

that was not the case with nash feeding him those cookies. just goes to show how much stoudemire needed a great QB and how far short felton is of that standard. yet we brought him here not once but twice-- at the expense of a better passer than himself in lin. just imagine if we had not acquired melo in a trade and had been able to acquire chris paul instead.

but it's all good. it's a great day for knicks fans. dolan has repeated several times today that he will have zero control over basketball decisions and that it is phil's team.

and phil underscored that in no manner way shape or form would he have agreed to come here without that prerequisite.

What are you talking about??.Amare has been healthy for exactly half a season in a Knick uniform, at which time he was playing like the league MVP with Felton's help...Yeah Imagine if we had traded for Chris Paul and he had to carry this team with his bad knees...Imagine that...

"felton's help"? that's not what i saw. i saw a guy playing with a so-called point guard who couldn't orchestrate to save his life, a guy who decided to force the issue by going one on three because he didn't know how to pass the ball.

are you sure you understand what a team game looks like?

The issue I always have with you is that u never come across as being honest...You could never admit Amare signing hampered the team..You can't admit at 17pts 9 assist a game Felton was doing a great job...U can't admit Donnie was subpar..You can't admit MDA was subpar despite a horrendous record...All u know is Melo is and will always be bad..I don't understand why people continue these long drawn out discussion with u knowing at the core u are not honest in your views..Can't understand why people get upset at your comments, it comical...

you talk of honesty which assumes you believe you know what honesty is. i am pessimistic that you do holfresh.

i have said from day 1 that if you are going to sign a deeply flawed player then make sure it is as a free agent only.

so if you say walsh made a horrible mistake then i would say that as horrible as it was to sign him, at least it was for a pick and roll finisher who fits in with the coach's system. that has been my position.

now, so far as melo-- deeply flawed also, which means, if i am being consistent, that he should be acquired only as a free agent. that has been my position. but the other element is to make sure that if you do acquire him as a free agent then you should make certain that he is not redundant.

walsh did not bring in melo. dolan did.

melo was redundant with stat already here. and not only that but in a trade which made matters exponentially worse.

i know people like you: "acquire as much talent as possible and force the coach to figure out a way to make things work." that was clearly the isaiah thomas approach, who you clearly must be a fan of.

WRONG

tell me, do you like the jackson hire? because if you do then you respect systems and are against the acquisition of talent for its own sake. it's the ant thomas approach.

tell me, are you happy that dolan has promised to stay away and hand over all basketball decisions to jackson? if you are, then you should have objected to his shoving walsh aside. did you object? and if not then why not?

try to be intellectually honest for once. straight answers, no <crickets>!!

Walsh was doing a poor job...Maybe you just couldn't see it..Maybe I'm giving you too much credit...Hiring MDA was horrible..Do you still think MDA is a good coach or he can just coach a certain system and style???..Compounding the MDA hire then u give a guy the max for 5 years with bad knees and you wanted to add Chris "bad knees" Paul to that mix, nice....Signing him as a free agent is of no consequence..We couldn't afford Gallo and Tyson if Melo came here as a free agent so your argument is moot...Nor could we resign Wilson...I guess u had Moz in mind at center???...Who do u think we need more, Tyson or Gallo???..It's no coincidence Donnie is now retired...

i asked for straight answers and as usual i get the incoherent diatribe. try again holfresh.