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Nalod
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3/15/2014  9:45 AM
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Perfect day before protest. Well played Dolan

Guns u really are such a negative fan. Every post is negative. This is such a great day in Knick history. Its not about Dolan , its about Phil coming back to the Knicks. One of the greatest minds in basketball history is coming home to hopefully build this team back. He doesn't want to coach at this time in his life but he wants to build a franchise. Maybe it doesn't work out , but at this point who could ask for anything better??? I have complete confidence in Phil. If you know basketball that is all you need to know. Phil knows basketball and what it takes to win. This really is one of the greatest days in Knick history!!!

Guns, like a lot of us are damaged from our fanhood.

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3/15/2014  9:50 AM
Nalod wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Perfect day before protest. Well played Dolan

Guns u really are such a negative fan. Every post is negative. This is such a great day in Knick history. Its not about Dolan , its about Phil coming back to the Knicks. One of the greatest minds in basketball history is coming home to hopefully build this team back. He doesn't want to coach at this time in his life but he wants to build a franchise. Maybe it doesn't work out , but at this point who could ask for anything better??? I have complete confidence in Phil. If you know basketball that is all you need to know. Phil knows basketball and what it takes to win. This really is one of the greatest days in Knick history!!!

Guns, like a lot of us are damaged from our fanhood.

Yea.. I'm a hedger. Guns is like the devil on my shoulder (Doland gonna Phuck it up ya fish-donkee) while mr earl is like Morgan Freeman from Bruce all mighty (ya gotta have faith son)

Guns deserves his fuming! Hes a trooper! A victim of an abusive relationship! I feel your pain... Let's see Phil go to work first... Larry legend lasted one year on a five year $40mm deal!

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3/15/2014  9:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2014  10:05 AM
lol

I was fortunate to witness the 90s Knicks and the consistency. The excitement of deep playoff runs every year. I remember the feeling. Once I start getting those feelings again I will know it and appreciate every second. Last year was nice but not built to last.

I should've listened to my gut and lowered my expectations which was to give Miami a run for their money in the ECF. It would not have hurt as bad. Couple another dozen years or so of being a complete laughing stock and it takes it's toll. Gonna take a lot to get me feeling good again. Dolan hiring Phil is a HUGE step

It would've been nice to land a Ewing like cornerstone after all those years of sucking but what are you gonna do

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3/15/2014  10:14 AM
Give credit to the media and even the fan protest voicing their displeasure with the Knicks franchise. The Knicks are relevant again
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3/15/2014  10:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2014  11:08 AM
Isola just said in espn radio that Phil was going to take over the Mings in Seattle before it fell through and was going to bring Kerr in to coach. I'm excited about the prospects of that happening.

Also he said he can see the Knicks bringing in Bynum. Not sure about that one but he respects phil

Also they might mold 6'5 Shumpert to play PG. If he can run point it would be in the triangle

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3/15/2014  11:02 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Isola just said in espn radio that Phil was going to take over the Mings in Seattle before it fell through and was going to bring Kerr in to coach. I'm excited about the prospects of that happening.

Also he said he can see the Knicks bringing in Bynum. Not sure about that one

Also they might mold 6'5 Shumpert to play PG. If he can at the point it would be in the triangle

I am excited about Kerr if that happens. I don't think Shump can be molded to play the point but I also don't think he gets to stick around if he pushes his coach with Phil in place. Maybe he gets he matures and fulfills some of his potential. I would pass on Bynum. Exciting to think about changes and a new start.
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3/15/2014  2:23 PM
As great a basmet mind as Phil is if he gives Melo the max it's going to be extremely difficult to build a championship team. Playoff team yes but not champion caliber
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3/15/2014  5:05 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Isola just said in espn radio that Phil was going to take over the Mings in Seattle before it fell through and was going to bring Kerr in to coach. I'm excited about the prospects of that happening.

Also he said he can see the Knicks bringing in Bynum. Not sure about that one

Also they might mold 6'5 Shumpert to play PG. If he can at the point it would be in the triangle

I am excited about Kerr if that happens. I don't think Shump can be molded to play the point but I also don't think he gets to stick around if he pushes his coach with Phil in place. Maybe he gets he matures and fulfills some of his potential. I would pass on Bynum. Exciting to think about changes and a new start.

I see Jr more as a pg than Shump. Maybe Phil and Kerr to get him the play the 1st half of the season. The last two years he has been a different guy in the second half of the season. Very odd.

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3/15/2014  5:52 PM
Man the more I listen to people around here talk about this PJax thing the more I get the sense that most don't understand the Triangle or Phil. Point Guards in PJax's offense don't have to do the same things that you expect from other PG's. It's really not that complicated since the basic set in Triangle is for the PG to give up the ball to the post and then cut to the basket. We have to change the way we think about roles in a PJax team. Just think about the PG's he's had and NONE of them were prototypical PG's nor were they used in a standard way.


Phil Jackson Teams -- no Point Guard needed?

By Hans Uy

Of all Phil Jackson coached teams, no point guard has ever averaged more than 5.5 assists per game. Only Gary Payton did 5.5apg in the 2003-04 season. Over a period of 16 seasons, only four point guards have managed to get above 4 assists per game under Phil Jackson as shown in the table below:

 Season	 Player	         APG
89-90 John Paxson 4.1
BJ Armstrong 2.5
90-91 BJ Armstrong 3.7
John Paxson 3.6
91-92 BJ Armstrong 3.2
John Paxson 3.1
92-93 BJ Armstrong 4.0
93-94 BJ Armstrong 3.9
Steve Kerr 2.6
94-95 BJ Armstrong 3.0
95-96 Ron Harper 2.6
96-97 Ron Harper 2.5
97-98 Ron Harper 2.9
99-00 Ron Harper 3.4
Derek Fisher 2.8
Brian Shaw 2.7
00-01 Derek Fisher 4.4
Brian Shaw 3.2
01-02 Derek Fisher 2.6
02-03 Derek Fisher 3.6
Brian Shaw 1.5
03-04 Gary Payton 5.5
04-05 Smush Parker 3.7
05-06 Smush Parker 2.8

Among all players, the best assists per game average in a season belonged to Scottie Pippen who averaged 7.0 apg in the 1991-92 season wherein he had an astonishing 21 ppg 7.7 rpg 7.0 apg season.

Best APG Seasons Under Phil Jackson

 Player	         APG	 Season
Scottie Pippen 7.0 91-92
Scottie Pippen 6.3 92-93
Michael Jordan 6.3 89-90
Scottie Pippen 6.2 90-91
Michael Jordan 6.1 91-92
Scottie Pippen 5.9 95-96
Kobe Bryant 5.9 02-03
Scottie Pippen 5.8 97-98
Scottie Pippen 5.7 96-97
Scottie Pippen 5.6 93-94
Kobe Bryant 5.5 01-02
Gary Payton 5.5 03-04
Lamar Odom 5.5 05-06

Only 2 players have surpassed the 6 apg mark in PJ-coached teams and this was all on or before the 92-93 season.

But another peculiar observation: Even if Phil Jackson’s point guards seem to be low in assists, all of his teams have out-assisted their opponents.


            Team          Opponent
Season Assist Total Assist Total Difference
89-90 2172 2110 62
90-91 2212 2016 198
91-92 2279 1841 438
92-93 2133 1918 215
93-94 2102 1840 262
94-95 1970 1713 257
95-96 2033 1592 441
96-97 2142 1619 523
97-98 1952 1595 357
99-00 1921 1597 324
00-01 1888 1659 229
01-02 1882 1643 239
02-03 1919 1753 166
03-04 1948 1708 240
05-06 1734 1730 4
06-07 1850 1798 52

http://www.82games.com/uy4.htm
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3/15/2014  6:04 PM
nixluva wrote:Man the more I listen to people around here talk about this PJax thing the more I get the sense that most don't understand the Triangle or Phil. Point Guards in PJax's offense don't have to do the same things that you expect from other PG's. It's really not that complicated since the basic set in Triangle is for the PG to give up the ball to the post and then cut to the basket. We have to change the way we think about roles in a PJax team. Just think about the PG's he's had and NONE of them were prototypical PG's nor were they used in a standard way.


Phil Jackson Teams -- no Point Guard needed?

By Hans Uy

Of all Phil Jackson coached teams, no point guard has ever averaged more than 5.5 assists per game. Only Gary Payton did 5.5apg in the 2003-04 season. Over a period of 16 seasons, only four point guards have managed to get above 4 assists per game under Phil Jackson as shown in the table below:

 Season	 Player	         APG
89-90 John Paxson 4.1
BJ Armstrong 2.5
90-91 BJ Armstrong 3.7
John Paxson 3.6
91-92 BJ Armstrong 3.2
John Paxson 3.1
92-93 BJ Armstrong 4.0
93-94 BJ Armstrong 3.9
Steve Kerr 2.6
94-95 BJ Armstrong 3.0
95-96 Ron Harper 2.6
96-97 Ron Harper 2.5
97-98 Ron Harper 2.9
99-00 Ron Harper 3.4
Derek Fisher 2.8
Brian Shaw 2.7
00-01 Derek Fisher 4.4
Brian Shaw 3.2
01-02 Derek Fisher 2.6
02-03 Derek Fisher 3.6
Brian Shaw 1.5
03-04 Gary Payton 5.5
04-05 Smush Parker 3.7
05-06 Smush Parker 2.8

Among all players, the best assists per game average in a season belonged to Scottie Pippen who averaged 7.0 apg in the 1991-92 season wherein he had an astonishing 21 ppg 7.7 rpg 7.0 apg season.

Best APG Seasons Under Phil Jackson

 Player	         APG	 Season
Scottie Pippen 7.0 91-92
Scottie Pippen 6.3 92-93
Michael Jordan 6.3 89-90
Scottie Pippen 6.2 90-91
Michael Jordan 6.1 91-92
Scottie Pippen 5.9 95-96
Kobe Bryant 5.9 02-03
Scottie Pippen 5.8 97-98
Scottie Pippen 5.7 96-97
Scottie Pippen 5.6 93-94
Kobe Bryant 5.5 01-02
Gary Payton 5.5 03-04
Lamar Odom 5.5 05-06

Only 2 players have surpassed the 6 apg mark in PJ-coached teams and this was all on or before the 92-93 season.

But another peculiar observation: Even if Phil Jackson’s point guards seem to be low in assists, all of his teams have out-assisted their opponents.


            Team          Opponent
Season Assist Total Assist Total Difference
89-90 2172 2110 62
90-91 2212 2016 198
91-92 2279 1841 438
92-93 2133 1918 215
93-94 2102 1840 262
94-95 1970 1713 257
95-96 2033 1592 441
96-97 2142 1619 523
97-98 1952 1595 357
99-00 1921 1597 324
00-01 1888 1659 229
01-02 1882 1643 239
02-03 1919 1753 166
03-04 1948 1708 240
05-06 1734 1730 4
06-07 1850 1798 52

http://www.82games.com/uy4.htm

shumpert will do just fine as a point guard in the triangle. he has been developing a corner three like fisher excels at.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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3/15/2014  6:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2014  6:14 PM
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:Man the more I listen to people around here talk about this PJax thing the more I get the sense that most don't understand the Triangle or Phil. Point Guards in PJax's offense don't have to do the same things that you expect from other PG's. It's really not that complicated since the basic set in Triangle is for the PG to give up the ball to the post and then cut to the basket. We have to change the way we think about roles in a PJax team. Just think about the PG's he's had and NONE of them were prototypical PG's nor were they used in a standard way.


Phil Jackson Teams -- no Point Guard needed?

By Hans Uy

Of all Phil Jackson coached teams, no point guard has ever averaged more than 5.5 assists per game. Only Gary Payton did 5.5apg in the 2003-04 season. Over a period of 16 seasons, only four point guards have managed to get above 4 assists per game under Phil Jackson as shown in the table below:

 Season	 Player	         APG
89-90 John Paxson 4.1
BJ Armstrong 2.5
90-91 BJ Armstrong 3.7
John Paxson 3.6
91-92 BJ Armstrong 3.2
John Paxson 3.1
92-93 BJ Armstrong 4.0
93-94 BJ Armstrong 3.9
Steve Kerr 2.6
94-95 BJ Armstrong 3.0
95-96 Ron Harper 2.6
96-97 Ron Harper 2.5
97-98 Ron Harper 2.9
99-00 Ron Harper 3.4
Derek Fisher 2.8
Brian Shaw 2.7
00-01 Derek Fisher 4.4
Brian Shaw 3.2
01-02 Derek Fisher 2.6
02-03 Derek Fisher 3.6
Brian Shaw 1.5
03-04 Gary Payton 5.5
04-05 Smush Parker 3.7
05-06 Smush Parker 2.8

Among all players, the best assists per game average in a season belonged to Scottie Pippen who averaged 7.0 apg in the 1991-92 season wherein he had an astonishing 21 ppg 7.7 rpg 7.0 apg season.

Best APG Seasons Under Phil Jackson

 Player	         APG	 Season
Scottie Pippen 7.0 91-92
Scottie Pippen 6.3 92-93
Michael Jordan 6.3 89-90
Scottie Pippen 6.2 90-91
Michael Jordan 6.1 91-92
Scottie Pippen 5.9 95-96
Kobe Bryant 5.9 02-03
Scottie Pippen 5.8 97-98
Scottie Pippen 5.7 96-97
Scottie Pippen 5.6 93-94
Kobe Bryant 5.5 01-02
Gary Payton 5.5 03-04
Lamar Odom 5.5 05-06

Only 2 players have surpassed the 6 apg mark in PJ-coached teams and this was all on or before the 92-93 season.

But another peculiar observation: Even if Phil Jackson’s point guards seem to be low in assists, all of his teams have out-assisted their opponents.


            Team          Opponent
Season Assist Total Assist Total Difference
89-90 2172 2110 62
90-91 2212 2016 198
91-92 2279 1841 438
92-93 2133 1918 215
93-94 2102 1840 262
94-95 1970 1713 257
95-96 2033 1592 441
96-97 2142 1619 523
97-98 1952 1595 357
99-00 1921 1597 324
00-01 1888 1659 229
01-02 1882 1643 239
02-03 1919 1753 166
03-04 1948 1708 240
05-06 1734 1730 4
06-07 1850 1798 52

http://www.82games.com/uy4.htm

shumpert will do just fine as a point guard in the triangle. he has been developing a corner three like fisher excels at.


YUP. Also think about the freedom that gives PJax teams in terms of lineups. He can play big and good defensive Guards since they don't have to be able to handle the ball or think the game like a typical PG. Shump could revive his career in such a scenario. He's in mostly for defense and so the Triangle would relieve him of the burden of typical PG duties. Same goes for Murry
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3/15/2014  6:32 PM
Exactly you have to def d the perimeter and shoot the 3 for Phil. Shumpert can do that
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3/15/2014  6:42 PM
Clyde again talking about how he would be intrigued if Phil asked him to be on the coaching staff. That says a lot about this hire in my opinion.
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3/15/2014  6:48 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Clyde again talking about how he would be intrigued if Phil asked him to be on the coaching staff. That says a lot about this hire in my opinion.

WOW! I must say that i've always wanted to see Clyde help the guards out with his vast knowledge. The young guards we have could learn a lot from him.

Also to say again that PJax system would help even this roster we have now. Switching to the Triangle would make better use of our Bigs and our Guards. It puts the bigs near the basket and the guards are ready to cut or shoot. This team could be playing so much better with more proper direction and coaching.

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3/15/2014  7:12 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Clyde again talking about how he would be intrigued if Phil asked him to be on the coaching staff. That says a lot about this hire in my opinion.

WOW! I must say that i've always wanted to see Clyde help the guards out with his vast knowledge. The young guards we have could learn a lot from him.

Also to say again that PJax system would help even this roster we have now. Switching to the Triangle would make better use of our Bigs and our Guards. It puts the bigs near the basket and the guards are ready to cut or shoot. This team could be playing so much better with more proper direction and coaching.

Here is the quote. I couldn't copy it on my ipod.
If by chance Jackson wants his former point guard to join the coaching staff, Frazier would be willing to listen.

“If he came to me, it would be a big challenge,” Frazier said. “It would be something I would have to think about. You never know.”

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3/15/2014  8:31 PM
OK, I know now that I DO NOT want Brian Shaw as the coach for this team. I've been watching the Hawks v Nuggets game and the Nuggets play a HORRIBLE style of BB. It's without rhyme or reason. They just run up and down and take bad shots. If they're hitting then they can look really good, but in terms of sound BB they play a mindless style of ball. It's HORRENDOUS!!! It's like they don't even have a coach and just got together as a group and started playing pick up ball. The defense is even worse!!!
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3/15/2014  9:05 PM
nixluva wrote:OK, I know now that I DO NOT want Brian Shaw as the coach for this team. I've been watching the Hawks v Nuggets game and the Nuggets play a HORRIBLE style of BB. It's without rhyme or reason. They just run up and down and take bad shots. If they're hitting then they can look really good, but in terms of sound BB they play a mindless style of ball. It's HORRENDOUS!!! It's like they don't even have a coach and just got together as a group and started playing pick up ball. The defense is even worse!!!
I know. Thought they were changing their style to be more successful in the playoffs.
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3/15/2014  9:17 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:OK, I know now that I DO NOT want Brian Shaw as the coach for this team. I've been watching the Hawks v Nuggets game and the Nuggets play a HORRIBLE style of BB. It's without rhyme or reason. They just run up and down and take bad shots. If they're hitting then they can look really good, but in terms of sound BB they play a mindless style of ball. It's HORRENDOUS!!! It's like they don't even have a coach and just got together as a group and started playing pick up ball. The defense is even worse!!!
I know. Thought they were changing their style to be more successful in the playoffs.

Their style is straight garbage!!! It makes no sense. I know they don't have the most high BB IQ level players, but they have bigs and should be playing at least a little of the Triangle or a Post centered offense. If they're not running n gunnning, they have no offense.
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3/15/2014  9:56 PM
Nuggets are going to lose. Teague got a big break on a light/non call on chandler that sent him to the line. Wish knick players would get those calls in the final seconds once in awhile. Teague getting Paul George treatment
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3/15/2014  11:32 PM
That's 2 lucky wins for the Hawks I just watched. They're just a hair better than these teams and they're surviving because they're more under control. If the Knicks don't get the 8th seed they have no one to blame but themselves. The Hawks are not a better team than the Knicks right now, but they have a solid lead on the Knicks and these weak teams aren't gonna fight hard enough nor play smart enough to win. It's gonna be tough to pass them.

I wonder if Phil will offer his help or just stay back and wait til the off season?

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