knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What's not to like? The kid has more heart than 95% of this team. No one is more supportive of his teammates. He is a good kid.

We should dump him and sign more malcontents

when you say more heart what exactly do you mean ( he has more heart to take a tough shot) cause i define heart as a guy who defends relentlessly, doesnt back down on either end, takes a charges, ect..the only thing that THJ does is shoot the ball, that's his entire game.

He's a rookie

AAAND... Is that why he's one dimensional

Man people are drinking mad Timmy hateraid! First off Timmy is def not one dimensional. Ask Clyde what dose he call him "a nephrite"He can hit the three, he can get to the hoop via transition or driving. He can also shoot off the dribble. Dose the young man have flaws in his game yes and this is a good thing. He's got a lot of work to do in the off season he's got his daddy whispering in his ear. As well as knick brass, also he's really picked up his defense as of late ... A offseason of conditioning and defensive workouts and keep shooting like he dose ... Timmy is going to be a all star one day maybe not next year but the year after probably! The apple dose not fall far from the tree! What separates thjr from most of other rookies is he grew up in the nba he knows what it takes to be the best of the best! Everyone in the Knicks brass are still wowed by thjr first thing they say is he's got a great work ethic! Timmy is only going to get a lot better... Stop drinking so much hate on a young rising player

CashMoney wrote:I like THJ a lot. I think he has a bright future and hope that we hold onto him.

THJ > Landry, Shump and TD....not even close.

I agree. THJ has shown an offensive game that is at a level that is higher than any of those other players. Landry was always a role player and that was clear even when he was here. TD was ruined by the team trying to make him a PG, which destroyed his confidence. I don't think any ever thought Shump was a star. We just thought he had the potential to be a starter. He still has that potential if he can figure out how to be more efficient and consistent on offense. THJ is a better shooter than all of them and has better offensive instincts. He has to work on his ball-handling and defense, and I don't think he is going to be an All-star, but the kid does look like he will be a starting caliber SG for a long-time.

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What's not to like? The kid has more heart than 95% of this team. No one is more supportive of his teammates. He is a good kid.

We should dump him and sign more malcontents

when you say more heart what exactly do you mean ( he has more heart to take a tough shot) cause i define heart as a guy who defends relentlessly, doesnt back down on either end, takes a charges, ect..the only thing that THJ does is shoot the ball, that's his entire game.

He's a rookie

So is Michael Carter Williams

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What's not to like? The kid has more heart than 95% of this team. No one is more supportive of his teammates. He is a good kid.

We should dump him and sign more malcontents

when you say more heart what exactly do you mean ( he has more heart to take a tough shot) cause i define heart as a guy who defends relentlessly, doesnt back down on either end, takes a charges, ect..the only thing that THJ does is shoot the ball, that's his entire game.

He's a rookie

So is Michael Carter Williams

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Reggie Miller 3 rebounds per game and 3 assists over his career. Yet everyone sings his praises. Not say THJ is Miller or anything like that.

reggie could defend

Now your making things up. Time allows people to forget.

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=millere01&y1=1988&p2=hardati02&y2=2014

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

I think it's an overstatement to call THJ a great player. But he is having a good rookie season. Scoring one of the top 5 rookie performers this year with the 24th pick is something to be optimistic about. Yeah, his D sucks, but that's the case with most rookies. I'm hopeful that his offensive game rounds out like Aaron Affalo's. You compare THJ's rookie season with guys like JJ Redick, Kevin Martin and Afflalo's, and you can see why guys are excited:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=hardati02&y1=2014&p2=afflaar01&y2=2008&p3=martike02&y3=2005&p4=redicjj01&y4=2007

fitzfarm wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=millere01&y1=1988&p2=hardati02&y2=2014

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

I think it's an overstatement to call THJ a great player. But he is having a good rookie season. Scoring one of the top 5 rookie performers this year with the 24th pick is something to be optimistic about. Yeah, his D sucks, but that's the case with most rookies. I'm hopeful that his offensive game rounds out like Aaron Affalo's. You compare THJ's rookie season with guys like JJ Redick, Kevin Martin and Afflalo's, and you can see why guys are excited:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=hardati02&y1=2014&p2=afflaar01&y2=2008&p3=martike02&y3=2005&p4=redicjj01&y4=2007

Thjr is not great yet... Give the kid a chance... Would I rather have MCW over thjr. Well as a player stand point thjr I feel has a lot more potential. But the biggest glaring hole on our roster is pg also Williams was drafted 11th. Williams can not shoot but neither can rondo, I'd prob go with Williams because we need a pg over a 2 guard but the kid has a shot like fish lips jefferies . Timmy is going to be a great three point shooter/scorer. If we sign and trade chandler for Kyle lowery then I'd have to say I'd go with thjr every time. He's a 20 point per game type of scorer he is a dead eye three point shooter, best transition player the Knicks have right now. He can shoot mid range and take it to the hole. Defense will come just like it came to miller his second year in the league

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion - even if its way out there.

MCW is a weak shooter (like Rondo and Rubio etc ...) but that kid has mad skills. He has instincts that THJ will never have.

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=millere01&y1=1988&p2=hardati02&y2=2014

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

I think it's an overstatement to call THJ a great player. But he is having a good rookie season. Scoring one of the top 5 rookie performers this year with the 24th pick is something to be optimistic about. Yeah, his D sucks, but that's the case with most rookies. I'm hopeful that his offensive game rounds out like Aaron Affalo's. You compare THJ's rookie season with guys like JJ Redick, Kevin Martin and Afflalo's, and you can see why guys are excited:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=hardati02&y1=2014&p2=afflaar01&y2=2008&p3=martike02&y3=2005&p4=redicjj01&y4=2007

Thjr is not great yet... Give the kid a chance... Would I rather have MCW over thjr. Well as a player stand point thjr I feel has a lot more potential. But the biggest glaring hole on our roster is pg also Williams was drafted 11th. Williams can not shoot but neither can rondo, I'd prob go with Williams because we need a pg over a 2 guard but the kid has a shot like fish lips jefferies . Timmy is going to be a great three point shooter/scorer. If we sign and trade chandler for Kyle lowery then I'd have to say I'd go with thjr every time. He's a 20 point per game type of scorer he is a dead eye three point shooter, best transition player the Knicks have right now. He can shoot mid range and take it to the hole. Defense will come just like it came to miller his second year in the league

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion - even if its way out there.

MCW is a weak shooter (like Rondo and Rubio etc ...) but that kid has mad skills. He has instincts that THJ will never have.

Not that I don't like MCW.. I think he's really good , but I also see Timmy rising fast to where I think with MCW is going to have to work a lot harder then thjr to improve his game. Wouldn't be surprised if MCW 5 years from now is still at 16 and 6 .Timmy 5 years from now could be one of the best three point shooters and scorer in the game averaging over 20 a game.

"could be" just like people were saying that Landry "could be" bernard king - heck, he shot 49 pct in his rookie year and was deadly from 3.

I look at them now and MCW is FAR better now and has FAR more upside just because he really has the instincts and understands the game.

Right now, THJ is a streaky sharp shooter who is a sieve on defense. Streaky sharp shooters who don't play defense should not be compared to players who have triple doubles in their rookie year. See how much better Rondo got as time went by? You can't teach those skills.