dk7th wrote:he doesn't need the money
he doesn't need another ring
he doesn't need to close his career out where he started

so his motivation if there is any is an unknown. my guess is that it's a knicks cry for help since they are irrelevant again, laughingstocks.

one thing is certain is that dolan will never be allowed to do anything more than write checks.
another thing is certain is that there will be no more gag orders on speaking with the press.

I would imagine that being able to run a team, something that Riley is the biggest draw. It was clearly something he was angling for in LA before their own Li'l Jimmy took over. And I bet he believes that his legacy would be even greater if he was known as both a hall of fame coach and team builder, like Auerbach and Riley.

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?

Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move

Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..

And that would have been a bad thing because?

It's not your money right??

VCoug wrote:

dk7th wrote:he doesn't need the money
he doesn't need another ring
he doesn't need to close his career out where he started

so his motivation if there is any is an unknown. my guess is that it's a knicks cry for help since they are irrelevant again, laughingstocks.

one thing is certain is that dolan will never be allowed to do anything more than write checks.
another thing is certain is that there will be no more gag orders on speaking with the press.

I would imagine that being able to run a team, something that Riley is the biggest draw. It was clearly something he was angling for in LA before their own Li'l Jimmy took over. And I bet he believes that his legacy would be even greater if he was known as both a hall of fame coach and team builder, like Auerbach and Riley.

then you lean towards the appeal to his ego. i can see that but it does sort of go against the whole zen ethos he puts out there.

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?

Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move

Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..

And that would have been a bad thing because?

It's not your money right??

No, and it isn't yours either. But if it was my money I would have done it. And considering what a small piece of the pie the Knicks are compared to the rest of Cablevision, $6B in revenue last year, it would have been very affordable.

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?

Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move

Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..

And that would have been a bad thing because?

It's not your money right??

No, and it isn't yours either. But if it was my money I would have done it. And considering what a small piece of the pie the Knicks are compared to the rest of Cablevision, $6B in revenue last year, it would have been very affordable.

No one with a clue would do that..No one..

Except for Mickey Arison and the Miami Heat where he owns 10% not 25% of the team. And according to articles at the time (link) and after the fact (link) that what he really wanted was personnel control. Namely, to be president of basketball operations for the Knicks.

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?

Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move

Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..

And that would have been a bad thing because?

It's not your money right??

No, and it isn't yours either. But if it was my money I would have done it. And considering what a small piece of the pie the Knicks are compared to the rest of Cablevision, $6B in revenue last year, it would have been very affordable.

No one with a clue would do that..No one..

Except for Mickey Arison and the Miami Heat where he owns 10% not 25% of the team. And according to articles at the time (link) and after the fact (link) that what he really wanted was personnel control. Namely, to be president of basketball operations for the Knicks.

25% of 1.4 billion is a very different number than 10% of 770 mil....All he wanted was control of basketball operations but he settles to 10% ownership of the Heat...OK...

If he settle for 10% ownership of the Heat what do you think he would have settled for the Knicks?

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?

Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move

Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..

And that would have been a bad thing because?

It's not your money right??

No, and it isn't yours either. But if it was my money I would have done it. And considering what a small piece of the pie the Knicks are compared to the rest of Cablevision, $6B in revenue last year, it would have been very affordable.

No one with a clue would do that..No one..

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?

Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move

Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..

And that would have been a bad thing because?

It's not your money right??

No, and it isn't yours either. But if it was my money I would have done it. And considering what a small piece of the pie the Knicks are compared to the rest of Cablevision, $6B in revenue last year, it would have been very affordable.

No one with a clue would do that..No one..

If you think he can increase your profits by significantly more than 25%, then you give him 25%. It's not black and white.
But like vcoug pointed out, he probably would have settled for less than 10%

Melo had an effect on the Knicks bottom line but u don't want to pay him..

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:he doesn't need the money
he doesn't need another ring
he doesn't need to close his career out where he started

so his motivation if there is any is an unknown. my guess is that it's a knicks cry for help since they are irrelevant again, laughingstocks.

one thing is certain is that dolan will never be allowed to do anything more than write checks.
another thing is certain is that there will be no more gag orders on speaking with the press.

and if jackson does agree to get hired he will be making more money than any player especially carmelo anthony. this most likely means that anthony will take a big big cut in pay, down to the 12-13 million dollar range-- which coincidentally is about what his actual value is to a team... as i have taken pains to explain.

the sacrifice financially for anthony is just and right and of course necessary, be it to make room for a better player than himself or in this case a better basketball person than himself.

ironic that if he agrees to this financial sacrifice it will mean that he will be the head of a triangle offense which will be no sacrifice on the floor for him.

yet the 64 dollar question is: is he too dumb to learn the triangle? will his awful decision-making be a hindrance? i don't think he is smart enough to succeed but i would like to be proven wrong.

you are so correct, he doesn't need the money, or another ring, but he has stated he wants a front office gig... This would be great especially if he had complete autonomy.. dolan would become just a check writer, and most of all, I don't think Phil really cares to keep carmelo.. for me, that would be the be the best part of this deal. He can move carmelo, dolan would not have to take credit or blame for any moves regarding carmelo, and we can finally move on from this train wreck... Honestly this is the best news in Knick land for me, in the past 10 years...or more..

would love love love to see jackson give melo the heave-ho he so richly deserves! that would basically codify what an overrated player he is and why he is a failure.

"that roster is clumsy" would resonate big time.

but then, tkf, you have to entertain the unthinkable which is that jackson is intrigued by the challenge of molding melo. ha ha

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:he doesn't need the money
he doesn't need another ring
he doesn't need to close his career out where he started

so his motivation if there is any is an unknown. my guess is that it's a knicks cry for help since they are irrelevant again, laughingstocks.

one thing is certain is that dolan will never be allowed to do anything more than write checks.
another thing is certain is that there will be no more gag orders on speaking with the press.

and if jackson does agree to get hired he will be making more money than any player especially carmelo anthony. this most likely means that anthony will take a big big cut in pay, down to the 12-13 million dollar range-- which coincidentally is about what his actual value is to a team... as i have taken pains to explain.

the sacrifice financially for anthony is just and right and of course necessary, be it to make room for a better player than himself or in this case a better basketball person than himself.

ironic that if he agrees to this financial sacrifice it will mean that he will be the head of a triangle offense which will be no sacrifice on the floor for him.

yet the 64 dollar question is: is he too dumb to learn the triangle? will his awful decision-making be a hindrance? i don't think he is smart enough to succeed but i would like to be proven wrong.

you are so correct, he doesn't need the money, or another ring, but he has stated he wants a front office gig... This would be great especially if he had complete autonomy.. dolan would become just a check writer, and most of all, I don't think Phil really cares to keep carmelo.. for me, that would be the be the best part of this deal. He can move carmelo, dolan would not have to take credit or blame for any moves regarding carmelo, and we can finally move on from this train wreck... Honestly this is the best news in Knick land for me, in the past 10 years...or more..

I think the opposite. Knicks talking to Jax because they are doing everything they can to keep Melo. A plan presented by mills is a lot different than a plan presented to you by Jax.

Too bad they will be locked in on the 2015 free agent class that blows and will lock them into another decade of mediocrity when they sign Love to form the worst defensive front court ever assembled. Or an injured Rondo!

I see Jax going after proven stars draft picks be damned

Knicks are never patient enough to get the right stars though

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:he doesn't need the money
he doesn't need another ring
he doesn't need to close his career out where he started

so his motivation if there is any is an unknown. my guess is that it's a knicks cry for help since they are irrelevant again, laughingstocks.

one thing is certain is that dolan will never be allowed to do anything more than write checks.
another thing is certain is that there will be no more gag orders on speaking with the press.

and if jackson does agree to get hired he will be making more money than any player especially carmelo anthony. this most likely means that anthony will take a big big cut in pay, down to the 12-13 million dollar range-- which coincidentally is about what his actual value is to a team... as i have taken pains to explain.

the sacrifice financially for anthony is just and right and of course necessary, be it to make room for a better player than himself or in this case a better basketball person than himself.

ironic that if he agrees to this financial sacrifice it will mean that he will be the head of a triangle offense which will be no sacrifice on the floor for him.

yet the 64 dollar question is: is he too dumb to learn the triangle? will his awful decision-making be a hindrance? i don't think he is smart enough to succeed but i would like to be proven wrong.

you are so correct, he doesn't need the money, or another ring, but he has stated he wants a front office gig... This would be great especially if he had complete autonomy.. dolan would become just a check writer, and most of all, I don't think Phil really cares to keep carmelo.. for me, that would be the be the best part of this deal. He can move carmelo, dolan would not have to take credit or blame for any moves regarding carmelo, and we can finally move on from this train wreck... Honestly this is the best news in Knick land for me, in the past 10 years...or more..

I think the opposite. Knicks talking to Jax because they are doing everything they can to keep Melo. A plan presented by mills is a lot different than a plan presented to you by Jax.

Too bad they will be locked in on the 2015 free agent class that blows and will lock them into another decade of mediocrity when they sign Love to form the worst defensive front court ever assembled. Or an injured Rondo!

I see Jax going after proven stars draft picks be damned

Knicks are never patient enough to get the right stars though

if that is the case then the knicks are up to the same old tricks and it will never be successful.....

it's another starphuck,

philjax is gonna take the cash! and his coaching legacy won't be in question because he's not crazy enough to step on the garden hardwoods!