mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Man, Melo really has the keys, doesn't he? He's had the kind of numbers and health you want going into a contract year. A nice handful of options. From what I'm reading, front runners are Lakers, Bulls, Knicks: all NBA flagships. He can handle the media in any of them. Hard to see him go to a smaller market, the big city helps his bottom line too. Can he play for or Thibs though?

What is the best kind of coach for a guy like Melo anyway?

I really can't fault him for getting his money in the first place. Now he's entering his 30s, we'll see if he thinking about history. You know his old Cuse coach wants him to get some rings. Can he get there with the Knicks?

Don't know much about the Bulls but my buddy from Chicago says Thibs would definitely get on Melo if he's not playing how he should and, unlike here, Thibs has the backing of the higher ups and won't have to take it easier on some guys more than others for fear of being fired.

if melo doesn't go to chicago he just proves that he has always been afraid of working on the uphill side of the court. melo is going to look bad except in one scenario which is offering to play for what he is actually worth which is 12-13 million a year. he owes new yorkers that and big time.

big time character check for carmelo anthony.

He doesn't owe NY anything. C'mon.

He should go to Chicago because that is his best chance to win. He has to be an idiot to stay here. The team has no plan unless he takes a nice discount but even if he does, great we'll get Tyreke Evans, Nick Young, Josh Smith, Jennings etc ...

In Chicago the team is in place and its a win now situation.

This is a done deal - no brainer. LA? No way! Def not the Lakers.

funny you say he doesn't owe ny anything. that was the same sentiment i held when he was in denver and then look what he did for denver!

or maybe you feel the two scenarios are utterly different? and if you do please explain in what way they are? i need to be educated.

no matter what he does it is lose-lose for him. stay in new york and be a loser or join chicago and be forever reviled by new yorkers while hating to work hard for thibodoux or be benched. really good stuff! this is a fate he so richly deserves.

I am no great Melo fan and despise his flaws. I do respect that he is talented but top 15 not top 5.

Do you really think that he would have waited to the off season with the new CB coming? And with his cancerous agents blabbering in his ear? You give him way too much credit if you blame him for this decision. He is not the biggest genius and did what most would have done (that year). Maybe in retrospect he regrets the way that went down just like Lebron regrets that stupid "decision". These guys do dumb things, though Melo's at the time did not seem as dumb (new CB).

I don't want him hear for more than 18-20. I think that is realistic. However, if he leaves, I am okay because that means that we get a fresh start in 2015. Who knows maybe we'll get lucky and make good "decisions" (one could hope).

you throw out 18-20 as though that will enable the knicks to afford other players in the formation of a winner. you don't truly believe that because that is an absurd amount to pay and you would need an absolute genius gm and incredible luck to make a winner out of the knicks.

hence if you are not a genius gm and you know that you have squandered your luck then you must lowball the **** out of him or let the chips fall where they may.

I think its a lose lose situation. I think 18-20, we can still get lucky. I think if they let him go, perhaps they can still get lucky and rebuild a winner (though I doubt that). I certainly don't think that he would take less than 18 and certainly with the knicks having zero plan or any vision for a successful future.

I am okay with him leaving. Would like to see him succeed in chicago and will not hate him for leaving. Its a business and there is no loyalty on either side.

He is not a bad guy, he just takes too many ill advised shots and does not see how those few extra dumb shots kill his efficiency numbers.

In Chicago, I think that they can absorb is weaknesses and can gain from his dynamic scoring capabilities. Maybe they can actually fine tune him, who knows. Anything is possible - its the right move for him. NY is a petri dish of crap.

it's lose-lose for him. if luck exists the knicks squandered it already in the lin situation. lin was a blessing that melo crapped on. so far as vision there was no vision in acquiring melo in the first place, no vision and no plan.

here is the "decisioning" in february 2011: melo wanted to get paid and dolan wanted a star.

i don't see him winning in chicago i see a divisive presence.

so far as too many ill-advised shots yes this is one of the several huge flaws in his game that hurts his teams deeply. i don't think chicago would ever have the wherewithal to overcome that, especially with a diminished and unevolved derrick rose. i don't think joakim noah would stand for melo's shenanigans no matter how well-intentioned his recruiting is in the present.

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Man, Melo really has the keys, doesn't he? He's had the kind of numbers and health you want going into a contract year. A nice handful of options. From what I'm reading, front runners are Lakers, Bulls, Knicks: all NBA flagships. He can handle the media in any of them. Hard to see him go to a smaller market, the big city helps his bottom line too. Can he play for or Thibs though?

What is the best kind of coach for a guy like Melo anyway?

I really can't fault him for getting his money in the first place. Now he's entering his 30s, we'll see if he thinking about history. You know his old Cuse coach wants him to get some rings. Can he get there with the Knicks?

Don't know much about the Bulls but my buddy from Chicago says Thibs would definitely get on Melo if he's not playing how he should and, unlike here, Thibs has the backing of the higher ups and won't have to take it easier on some guys more than others for fear of being fired.

if melo doesn't go to chicago he just proves that he has always been afraid of working on the uphill side of the court. melo is going to look bad except in one scenario which is offering to play for what he is actually worth which is 12-13 million a year. he owes new yorkers that and big time.

big time character check for carmelo anthony.

He doesn't owe NY anything. C'mon.

He should go to Chicago because that is his best chance to win. He has to be an idiot to stay here. The team has no plan unless he takes a nice discount but even if he does, great we'll get Tyreke Evans, Nick Young, Josh Smith, Jennings etc ...

In Chicago the team is in place and its a win now situation.

This is a done deal - no brainer. LA? No way! Def not the Lakers.

funny you say he doesn't owe ny anything. that was the same sentiment i held when he was in denver and then look what he did for denver!

or maybe you feel the two scenarios are utterly different? and if you do please explain in what way they are? i need to be educated.

no matter what he does it is lose-lose for him. stay in new york and be a loser or join chicago and be forever reviled by new yorkers while hating to work hard for thibodoux or be benched. really good stuff! this is a fate he so richly deserves.

I am no great Melo fan and despise his flaws. I do respect that he is talented but top 15 not top 5.

Do you really think that he would have waited to the off season with the new CB coming? And with his cancerous agents blabbering in his ear? You give him way too much credit if you blame him for this decision. He is not the biggest genius and did what most would have done (that year). Maybe in retrospect he regrets the way that went down just like Lebron regrets that stupid "decision". These guys do dumb things, though Melo's at the time did not seem as dumb (new CB).

I don't want him hear for more than 18-20. I think that is realistic. However, if he leaves, I am okay because that means that we get a fresh start in 2015. Who knows maybe we'll get lucky and make good "decisions" (one could hope).

you throw out 18-20 as though that will enable the knicks to afford other players in the formation of a winner. you don't truly believe that because that is an absurd amount to pay and you would need an absolute genius gm and incredible luck to make a winner out of the knicks.

hence if you are not a genius gm and you know that you have squandered your luck then you must lowball the **** out of him or let the chips fall where they may.

I think its a lose lose situation. I think 18-20, we can still get lucky. I think if they let him go, perhaps they can still get lucky and rebuild a winner (though I doubt that). I certainly don't think that he would take less than 18 and certainly with the knicks having zero plan or any vision for a successful future.

I am okay with him leaving. Would like to see him succeed in chicago and will not hate him for leaving. Its a business and there is no loyalty on either side.

He is not a bad guy, he just takes too many ill advised shots and does not see how those few extra dumb shots kill his efficiency numbers.

In Chicago, I think that they can absorb is weaknesses and can gain from his dynamic scoring capabilities. Maybe they can actually fine tune him, who knows. Anything is possible - its the right move for him. NY is a petri dish of crap.

it's lose-lose for him. if luck exists the knicks squandered it already in the lin situation. lin was a blessing that melo crapped on. so far as vision there was no vision in acquiring melo in the first place, no vision and no plan.

here is the "decisioning" in february 2011: melo wanted to get paid and dolan wanted a star.

i don't see him winning in chicago i see a divisive presence.

so far as too many ill-advised shots yes this is one of the several huge flaws in his game that hurts his teams deeply. i don't think chicago would ever have the wherewithal to overcome that, especially with a diminished and unevolved derrick rose. i don't think joakim noah would stand for melo's shenanigans no matter how well-intentioned his recruiting is in the present.

Very one sided view. Letting Lin go was dumb. Was it him? I don't know or care - it was just dumb.

I think that the olympic team saw how great he can be as a piece to a "team". I think that he can play great in Chicago. Can things go wrong and will he take the blame? Of course that is possible.

"melo wanted to get paid and dolan wanted a star" - Yes. So what - they also fuked up in 2010 and sign a bonehead and amnestied Billups and signed Chandler and ................. this team makes worse decisions than that. But you don't mentioned those. Be fair and balanced and less agenda driven.

Melo is flawed but we could have built a smarter and better team around him even if you say that the trade was dumb.

I think he can go to chicago and win, you don't and hope he fails either way. I want him to succeed even though he pisses me off with his shot selection. He is pretty dumb but not evil. You give him too much credit as a deep thinking conniver.

TeamBall wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Man, Melo really has the keys, doesn't he? He's had the kind of numbers and health you want going into a contract year. A nice handful of options. From what I'm reading, front runners are Lakers, Bulls, Knicks: all NBA flagships. He can handle the media in any of them. Hard to see him go to a smaller market, the big city helps his bottom line too. Can he play for or Thibs though?

What is the best kind of coach for a guy like Melo anyway?

I really can't fault him for getting his money in the first place. Now he's entering his 30s, we'll see if he thinking about history. You know his old Cuse coach wants him to get some rings. Can he get there with the Knicks?

Don't know much about the Bulls but my buddy from Chicago says Thibs would definitely get on Melo if he's not playing how he should and, unlike here, Thibs has the backing of the higher ups and won't have to take it easier on some guys more than others for fear of being fired.

We trying to get Thibs here.

I don't think he should be getting max money. So what!

Why are you so obsessed with this guy? Let him go. Set yourself free. Let him be a Bull.

Would you be really upset if he won it all with the bulls? Be honest.

GustavBahler wrote:I can't blame Melo if he leaves and I would be impressed if he went to the Bulls. He knows about the knock on his game and going to a team where Melo couldn't look off teammates who were struggling, have to step up his defense another notch, would show how serious he is about winning. That is if he embraced the Bulls way of doing things. The only team I would be upset about Melo joining is the Heat.

GustavBahler wrote:I can't blame Melo if he leaves and I would be impressed if he went to the Bulls. He knows about the knock on his game and going to a team where Melo couldn't look off teammates who were struggling, have to step up his defense another notch, would show how serious he is about winning. That is if he embraced the Bulls way of doing things. The only team I would be upset about Melo joining is the Heat.

Melo is an average defender, similar to Pierce and Ray Allen before Thibs got a hold of them. Pierce and Allen were apart of a great defensive team in Boston and despite their short comings as individual defender, they were a part of a great defensive system. I'm sure Melo will fit in just fine with Thibs defensive system.....Also, I do not see Rose and Melo getting in each others way much at all. You need at least 2-3 elite scorers to win big in this league (by win big I mean seriously compete for a 'chip). Westbrook and Durant both need the ball to be effective and both work just fine together, same with Wade/Lebron, etc....On top of that, Noah is the perfect center for players like Rose and Melo because he's a tremendous facilitator and does not need the ball to have an impact on the game.....

jrodmc wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Melo is not going to stick around for another year like this one. He will leave or force Dolan into making more bonehead bandaid moves that will set us back for decades

or he could do the right thing and ask for 12-13 million a year since he wanted to be here in the first place but allowed greed to cloud his judgement.

history will not be kind to him if he leaves. i wonder if he cares?

U sound like u will be disappointed if he leaves, shocker...

Melo allowed greed to cloud his judgement? Where in the world do you come up with this?

You will find that the genius dk7th/tkf contingent are filled with gems like these.
Denver was the built for the long term team in the aftermath of the 2010 Melo Rapes The Knicks Debacle. Now Denver isn't making the playoffs 4 years later. Hmmmm.
Melo is not a spiritual presence.
Melo is not a "real" New Yorker. Like... Stephon Marbury...
Melo's contract is not as congenial and thoughtful to our suckhole franchise like....Gallo's contract is to Denver...But...Gallo...isn't...playing...again...

It goes on and on....

you have no integrity when you post...
Denver isn't making the playoffs simply because half of their starting unit missed most of the season. it doesn't take away that they have been and are still better than the knicks and are built for the long haul....

You seem to be obsessed with Denver, don't worry you will get to see them take the knicks pick in the lottery, that should give you more corny shyt to post...

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Melo is not going to stick around for another year like this one. He will leave or force Dolan into making more bonehead bandaid moves that will set us back for decades

or he could do the right thing and ask for 12-13 million a year since he wanted to be here in the first place but allowed greed to cloud his judgement.

history will not be kind to him if he leaves. i wonder if he cares?

U sound like u will be disappointed if he leaves, shocker...

Melo allowed greed to cloud his judgement? Where in the world do you come up with this?

You will find that the genius dk7th/tkf contingent are filled with gems like these.
Denver was the built for the long term team in the aftermath of the 2010 Melo Rapes The Knicks Debacle. Now Denver isn't making the playoffs 4 years later. Hmmmm.
Melo is not a spiritual presence.
Melo is not a "real" New Yorker. Like... Stephon Marbury...
Melo's contract is not as congenial and thoughtful to our suckhole franchise like....Gallo's contract is to Denver...But...Gallo...isn't...playing...again...

It goes on and on....

you have no integrity when you post...
Denver isn't making the playoffs simply because half of their starting unit missed most of the season. it doesn't take away that they have been and are still better than the knicks and are built for the long haul....

You seem to be obsessed with Denver, don't worry you will get to see them take the knicks pick in the lottery, that should give you more corny shyt to post...

I won't worry, because I'm hoping we make the playoffs. See how that works?
Integrity is having the ability to post even slightly objectively. It goes hand in hand with things like credibility. And it would be nice if you could possibly admit you were even slightly wrong about Melo.

But don't please. Keep flaming the board with your senseless drivel right now. If we go on a small five or six game winning streak, you can disappear for awhile and catch a break.

The only obsession on this board is the neverending pee hardon you have for our best player.

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I can't blame Melo if he leaves and I would be impressed if he went to the Bulls. He knows about the knock on his game and going to a team where Melo couldn't look off teammates who were struggling, have to step up his defense another notch, would show how serious he is about winning. That is if he embraced the Bulls way of doing things. The only team I would be upset about Melo joining is the Heat.

Melo is an average defender, similar to Pierce and Ray Allen before Thibs got a hold of them. Pierce and Allen were apart of a great defensive team in Boston and despite their short comings as individual defender, they were a part of a great defensive system. I'm sure Melo will fit in just fine with Thibs defensive system.....Also, I do not see Rose and Melo getting in each others way much at all. You need at least 2-3 elite scorers to win big in this league (by win big I mean seriously compete for a 'chip). Westbrook and Durant both need the ball to be effective and both work just fine together, same with Wade/Lebron, etc....On top of that, Noah is the perfect center for players like Rose and Melo because he's a tremendous facilitator and does not need the ball to have an impact on the game.....

Great points. I would also add that I'm pretty sure Melo would enjoy being on a team with some genuine camaraderie. These guys play like a real team. Doesn't matter how beaten down they are by injuries, they stick together, fight through it and play team ball. Something very old school about them.

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:@tkf

I don't think he should be getting max money. So what!

Why are you so obsessed with this guy? Let him go. Set yourself free. Let him be a Bull.

Would you be really upset if he won it all with the bulls? Be honest.

THIS IS such an odd argument? why are you telling me to set myself free? I want him gone.. did you not read my post... In essence what you just did is ask me if I like apples. I said I love apples and then you respond .."come on TKF apples are not that bad, why don't you like apples, they are healthy"..

I said I want him gone. I don't care where he goes, as long as it is not in a knick uniform. I was clear about that, not sure about any obsession...

Really? So if he wins it all in Chicago you won't be bothered?

Sounds like it would be your worst nightmare.

I know "he won't win anywhere so its a dumb argument"

And from your response, it does not sound like your read or comprehended my post