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If your only 2 choices for coach was MDA or Woodson who would you pick
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knicks1248
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3/6/2014  11:55 PM
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Sangfroid wrote:Can't take another minute of, The Woodson Stare". Sometimes I wonder what the hell he's drawing on that clipboard, because it usually turns into a turnover or Melo heaving it up in the final seconds of the shot clock. At they very least, the ball would be shared. Another thing that bothers me with Woodson is his "defensive coach" tag. He has no better defensive schemes than . D'antoni was the one screwed during our re-build. The resulting team should have been built to his specs, not Woodie.

This is pretty much how I feel. You're getting either switching or just flat out bad defense with them either way but at least D'antoni can coach a system where ball movement is stressed.

The chucking 3's with whomever your player are makes me sick.

I would rather the team play without a head coach.

Who would you rather Rich Kotite or Joe Walton?

This is a 3 ball league, that's how you win games, but if you don't have a PG who can penetrate and 1 or 2 slashers, what good is the 3 ball. There's going to be a wide open 3 every single time a player penetrates and kicks out and swings the ball

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3/7/2014  1:17 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
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Sangfroid wrote:Can't take another minute of, The Woodson Stare". Sometimes I wonder what the hell he's drawing on that clipboard, because it usually turns into a turnover or Melo heaving it up in the final seconds of the shot clock. At they very least, the ball would be shared. Another thing that bothers me with Woodson is his "defensive coach" tag. He has no better defensive schemes than . D'antoni was the one screwed during our re-build. The resulting team should have been built to his specs, not Woodie.

This is pretty much how I feel. You're getting either switching or just flat out bad defense with them either way but at least D'antoni can coach a system where ball movement is stressed.

The chucking 3's with whomever your player are makes me sick.

I would rather the team play without a head coach.

Who would you rather Rich Kotite or Joe Walton?

This is a 3 ball league, that's how you win games, but if you don't have a PG who can penetrate and 1 or 2 slashers, what good is the 3 ball. There's going to be a wide open 3 every single time a player penetrates and kicks out and swings the ball

So we had TD as our PG. How'd that work out with the 3ball chucking?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/7/2014  8:55 AM
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
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Sangfroid wrote:Can't take another minute of, The Woodson Stare". Sometimes I wonder what the hell he's drawing on that clipboard, because it usually turns into a turnover or Melo heaving it up in the final seconds of the shot clock. At they very least, the ball would be shared. Another thing that bothers me with Woodson is his "defensive coach" tag. He has no better defensive schemes than . D'antoni was the one screwed during our re-build. The resulting team should have been built to his specs, not Woodie.

This is pretty much how I feel. You're getting either switching or just flat out bad defense with them either way but at least D'antoni can coach a system where ball movement is stressed.

The chucking 3's with whomever your player are makes me sick.

I would rather the team play without a head coach.

Who would you rather Rich Kotite or Joe Walton?

This is a 3 ball league, that's how you win games, but if you don't have a PG who can penetrate and 1 or 2 slashers, what good is the 3 ball. There's going to be a wide open 3 every single time a player penetrates and kicks out and swings the ball

So we had TD as our PG. How'd that work out with the 3ball chucking?

Playing him at the 2 was a much better option, the only reason he is listed as a pg is because of his height. But MDA had no other option. Billups goes down, baron, goes down. Felton posted career #s under MDA

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3/7/2014  9:01 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:Can't take another minute of, The Woodson Stare". Sometimes I wonder what the hell he's drawing on that clipboard, because it usually turns into a turnover or Melo heaving it up in the final seconds of the shot clock. At they very least, the ball would be shared. Another thing that bothers me with Woodson is his "defensive coach" tag. He has no better defensive schemes than . D'antoni was the one screwed during our re-build. The resulting team should have been built to his specs, not Woodie.

This is pretty much how I feel. You're getting either switching or just flat out bad defense with them either way but at least D'antoni can coach a system where ball movement is stressed.

The chucking 3's with whomever your player are makes me sick.

I would rather the team play without a head coach.

Who would you rather Rich Kotite or Joe Walton?

This is a 3 ball league, that's how you win games, but if you don't have a PG who can penetrate and 1 or 2 slashers, what good is the 3 ball. There's going to be a wide open 3 every single time a player penetrates and kicks out and swings the ball

So we had TD as our PG. How'd that work out with the 3ball chucking?

Playing him at the 2 was a much better option, the only reason he is listed as a pg is because of his height. But MDA had no other option. Billups goes down, baron, goes down. Felton posted career #s under MDA

A Better option would be that he should now allow a player to lead his team in 3 point attempts while shooting 25%. "Just shoot it Toney"

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/7/2014  9:56 AM
MDA did better with less talent. He AT LEAST has a system, a plan of attack. Woodson has one bullet, pass it to Melo, and if that doesn't work, oh well. But honestly, no matter what coach you bring here their not going to succeed. New York is a coach killers town,thanks to our idiot clueless owner, and Melo is the ultimate coach killer and the only way he'll win a championship is if he goes to a team with lots of talent and plays the Chris Bosh role.
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3/7/2014  10:42 AM
Let's see MDA did great in: Italy
He did well in Phoenix.
He came here and suhucked. Plain and simple. (Spare me the system BS, and ask yourself if we were ever going to win a Division with MDA. Seriously?)
He went to LA and, well that's really working out well, huh? Catch that Clippers game last night?

Woodson in Atlanta = playoffs.
Woodson in NYC = playoffs [this unfinished miserable season notwithstanding]

What's the choice again?

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3/7/2014  10:42 AM
ShellTopAdidas wrote:MDA did better with less talent. He AT LEAST has a system, a plan of attack. Woodson has one bullet, pass it to Melo, and if that doesn't work, oh well. But honestly, no matter what coach you bring here their not going to succeed. New York is a coach killers town,thanks to our idiot clueless owner, and Melo is the ultimate coach killer and the only way he'll win a championship is if he goes to a team with lots of talent and plays the Chris Bosh role.

when did he do better with less talent in ny? neither should ever be recalled with any fondness.

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3/7/2014  11:20 AM
jrodmc wrote:Let's see MDA did great in: Italy
He did well in Phoenix.
He came here and suhucked. Plain and simple. (Spare me the system BS, and ask yourself if we were ever going to win a Division with MDA. Seriously?)
He went to LA and, well that's really working out well, huh? Catch that Clippers game last night?

Woodson in Atlanta = playoffs.
Woodson in NYC = playoffs [this unfinished miserable season notwithstanding]

What's the choice again?

MDA had no pg until felton got here, and that year we flip damn near the entire roster to get melo. I wont even mention his 1st 2 season where the roster got flipped twice in one season, totoally gutting out what ever core we had..

Doc river is about as avg a coach as you can have, but give him rondo or cp3 and all of a sudden he's the next phil jackson. the celtics were trash when rondo went down, they won a nice stretch of games after rondo went down, but that was about it. When he was in oralndo, he got fired..

Why did felton play much better under MDA then he has under Woods.

MDa's strating line up in his 2nd season

Lee
q-rich
zach
crawford
duhon

wil chandler
malik rose
gallo
nate
mardy fckng collins

a month later zach and crwaford were replace by al harrington and jeffries, and you want talk about how bad he was and that he couldnt get that sorry bunch on borrowed time to make the playoffs

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3/7/2014  11:23 AM
ShellTopAdidas wrote:MDA did better with less talent. He AT LEAST has a system, a plan of attack. Woodson has one bullet, pass it to Melo, and if that doesn't work, oh well. But honestly, no matter what coach you bring here their not going to succeed. New York is a coach killers town,thanks to our idiot clueless owner, and Melo is the ultimate coach killer and the only way he'll win a championship is if he goes to a team with lots of talent and plays the Chris Bosh role.

Ultimate coach killer?
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3/8/2014  1:44 AM
MDA if you give him the right roster. I think the ceiling is higher and the team is, quite frankly, more fun to watch. I don't think Woodson makes the necessary adjustments against the elite teams to give his teams a chance in the playoffs.
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3/8/2014  5:11 AM
sidsanders wrote:
ShellTopAdidas wrote:MDA did better with less talent. He AT LEAST has a system, a plan of attack. Woodson has one bullet, pass it to Melo, and if that doesn't work, oh well. But honestly, no matter what coach you bring here their not going to succeed. New York is a coach killers town,thanks to our idiot clueless owner, and Melo is the ultimate coach killer and the only way he'll win a championship is if he goes to a team with lots of talent and plays the Chris Bosh role.

when did he do better with less talent in ny? neither should ever be recalled with any fondness.


Dantoni never should have gotten another head coaching job in the league. Also he was horrible in Denver and in Phoenix his first year.
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DENVER -- It was some 16 months ago when Mike D'Antoni gave his introductory news conference with the Los Angeles Lakers. He was admittedly still a little loopy from pain medicine following reconstructive knee surgery, but regardless, the coach jokingly addressed the biggest shortcoming -- at least reputation-wise -- on his résumé right out of the gates.

"Maybe he can put the 'D' back in my name," D'Antoni said of Dwight Howard. "That would be nice. Some people have been taking that out."

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The Lakers' energy and effort on defense seems to be getting worse and worse as a torturous season winds down.
Howard is long gone and so are any laughs from poking fun at the Lakers' defensive deficiencies, which have become so atrocious that the final point totals they're giving up lately make you do a double take at the box score.

This week L.A. allowed the New Orleans Pelicans to score 132 points, the Los Angeles Clippers to score 142 points and the Denver Nuggets to score 134 points. All three games were in regulation no less and all three games ended up, not surprisingly, as losses.

The Lakers have no business even dreaming of winning another game this season if they're going to keep giving up 136 points per game.

"You can't win that way," D'Antoni said after a 134-126 defeat to Denver on Friday. "We are trying everything we can do and the players are trying. Just a lot of it is that we were outrun, out-strengthened, outmuscled and out-fought a little bit. I don't know if the air is going out or we're tired or what the problem is."

D'Antoni has repeatedly said the team's best chance to win is by playing with a smaller lineup, spacing the floor and getting up and down the court, but when you don't have a ton of talent on your team, most opponents will do more with that increased amount of possessions and embarrass you with video-game numbers in the process. Ty Lawson had 30 points and 17 assists Friday. Kenneth Faried had 32 points and 13 rebounds. Those stat lines aren't even easy to get on NBA 2K14.

Playing at a more balanced pace masks the talent gap.

Just take a look at the Chicago Bulls. While they lost two of their best players this season in Derrick Rose to an injury and Luol Deng to a cost-cutting trade, they've continued to stay afloat thanks to their defense and grind-it-out style. In their past four wins, they've allowed a total of 358 points.

It's a staggering difference from the Lakers, who have now allowed 50 more points than that, a whopping 408, in their past three losses.

Not that Chicago and L.A. have totally comparable situations even with the things that have gone wrong for their teams this season, but the point is that nobody comes into a game against the Bulls expecting an easy time.

What do they think when they see the Lakers on the schedule these days?

"Teams know that we're not really good defensively and they come into the game saying, 'This is going to be a good day for us on the offensive end.' They get that confidence," Pau Gasol said. "Going into the game, they already have that confident mindset saying, 'Hey, we're going to get a lot of looks tonight and just be ready to knock them down.' So that makes things a little harder."

It's becoming demoralizing. And that goes against everything D'Antoni preaches about the game being fun and the ball finding energy. The lack of a defensive focus is sapping the Lakers of all that.

"We look up and we say, 'Damn, they got 70 in the first half,'" MarShon Brooks said. "We see it too. It doesn't feel good. We just got to find a way to throw five guys out there that's going to play defense and that's going to play hard at the same time."

Said Robert Sacre: "I know I'm tired of it and our team's tired of it."

It's difficult to play hard when you're caught up in your mind being hard on yourself.

"We are way too soft at times and let too many easy things happen," Jordan Farmar said. "As a unit, myself included sometimes. I'm definitely not pointing fingers, but us as the Lakers wearing the same jersey have to figure it out."

They better figure it out quick. Their next four games are two against the Oklahoma City Thunder, who rank No. 5 in the league in offensive efficiency (108.0 points per 100 possessions) and two against the San Antonio Spurs, who rank No. 7 (107.5).
The Lakers, for all of their supposed scoring ability, rank No. 22 (101.3).

"We're probably scoring 120 and losing," Farmar said. "That's even worse, if you can score that many points."

As long as the Lakers are defenseless, those points will remain as empty as something else D'Antoni said at his opening news conference: "We're built to win [a championship] this year."


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3/8/2014  10:05 AM
you know how mda wants to play when you hire him this includes getting him a decent point guard (he had felton at 17/8 and in all star talk for and felton sucks)

they tried to give him nash, but it was too late in the life cycle for nash and they never found a replacement (they gave him ****ing duhon again!!!)

so that's what it is.

mda is a great coach who doesn't mince the hamburger meat when it comes to his approach--- if you don't feed the machine the proper fuel, he'll still take your paycheck and laugh to the bank!

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If your only 2 choices for coach was MDA or Woodson who would you pick

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